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Hey there,

I was looking for anyone fairly advanced in the practice of leaving the body that could offer some insight to a few of my setbacks as of late.  Any help will be appreciated.

I'll just list them, in no particular order.

1.  Once I find myself in the real time zone (my room, identical to the present), are there any excercises or methods to increase concentration and/or duration of the event?  I've noticed that if I stare at my hands, which are usually translucent and cool to look at anyhow, I can stay for a bit longer than usual.  I was curious if anyone had any systematic method of maintaining present awareness and thought control in the real time zone.  I find that I often dip into a lucidity with no control after a short while.

2.  Anyone have any helpful tips on navigation in the RTZ?  I find that I have to strain ever so hard to float around.  Are there any special practices advanced practioners employ to ease mobility in the non-physical realms?

3. And lastly... does anyone know a method or technique to advance to the Astral Plane from the RTZ?  The few times I have maintained clarity of thought enough to think to ascend to a higher player, I ended up shooting through my room... and either flying around my city for what seemed like hours or ending up in a lucid dream based somewhere in the sky (a spaceship or some random scene).

4.  Actually, one more.  To those that can get out at will on a regular basis.. aside from the 'wake up 2 hrs before hand.. etc' methodology, can you share any interesting techniques once one's body is completely relaxed?  I have only left consciously one time in my life.  It was amazing / frightening but I'd like to do it again sometime (that time involved sleep deprivation caused by exams).  These days, I usually find myself out of my body and in the RTZ based on will and intention before sleeping.


Thanks.. hope to hear from ya soon.

I found out something today.

First, take a deep breath.  Next, imagine the source of all life, a vast reserve encompassing all dimensions (including all three in which you rest right now) pervading everything around you.  This doesn't have to be specific.. if you're here, you at least wonder if there is something out there unseen silently pushing and pulling us through time.  Envision this as best you can, my concept of this came over time.
Now.. once you have experienced and felt this energy, it should calm you.  If you really believe it, it should be a moment of self reflection and pure faith that no matter what, we're all fine.  Once you have this feeling of peace inside you, express interest on an object (a pencil is what provided my ureka today!) and begin to gaze at it.  First, feel your eyes.. then feel the forehead, the top of your head, followed back the back of your head.  Then, feel your entire presence.  Now, with focus still on this object, simulate the feeling of zooming in.  Don't force it.  This is hard to do, but this is where I broke through:

When you see this object, take note of its three dimensional structure.  Really experience it.  Now.. make it MORE third dimensional in your reality.  If you're starring at a word on a page, make it POP out of the page..

and most importantly.. BREATHE.. when I mentioned earlier about the setup, synchronize breathe, with picture, with feeling, with emotion..

This suddenly came to be in a string of thoughts and concepts.  I am studying chemistry.  I am tired, and I began to meditate on a single word on the page.  I once messed with photoreading, thus, after attemping it for a bit, my creative side brightened and I decided to try a new technique.  Make the word pop out.  Once I settled myself, I tried it, and pretty soon I couldn't even read the word.  The entire page was illegible, and I believe it is because my left brain shuts down and moves all process to the right.  Then, I felt to try this in a more spiritual light, encompassing my entire belief structure.. focusing this entire experiment on my pencil placed on book.  I felt my POV zoom in, the pencil seemed to stand out more.. I could feel my mind quieting.. but this is the first time I've almost put myself into a trance.  Then, the pencil suddenly jerked 1 cm to the left.  This was the first time I moved something this large and this deliberately.  This happened 15 minutes ago.

I felt to record this somewhere so that I can remind myself of how to set this up.. and what better place then online, where it my benefit some of you out there.

Thoughts?

All the best,
Amed

Please ask questions.. I wish could communicate what I experience and now know in a thought, but I have not worked on my telepathy..

amed

I've been reading this page for the last hour or so.  Very nice read, with much resonance among my own experiences.

Check it out!

http://www.citiesoflight.net/tawatnaw.html#Emerge

i have this ability as well, but i look at it as a nuissance.  the people around me are very aware of things in general, and although they do not seem to have this trait, when i stop concentrating and unwillingly drain energy, they also seem to stop short and slow down a bit..

i have to exert an insane amount of concentration (more than im used to) in order not to do this on a minute by minute basis.

Thank you all for your replies.

I will remember these helpful hints the next time I find myself in that familiar place we all know and love.

Good luck!

Amed

i have to agree with you there.  i have made such a leap in spiritual advancement in the last 2 months that it boggles my mind.

i think everyone is going through something similar, whether they realize it or not.  this is definitely a development stage before something.. well, major.. to say the least.

great post..

who needs a middle man between you and the higher source?

not me!  

Take a deep breath!

This stuff is suppose to be fun!  The moment this stuff becomes that of a job, where you begin to feel dissapointment and frustration.. just take a deep breath!

Don't be so hard on yourself.  It is much more rewarding and beneficial to take a baby step, seizing the moment and moving on.. rather than attempting a lengthy jump, missteping, only to kick dust around for awhile in frustration.  I've noticed, in my own personal experiences, the best results came about when I thought about it the least.. which brings me to my second piece of advice:

Don't expect anything!  I've noticed that expectations.. good or bad, tend to tarnish the very realness of the moment.  That is, next time you meditate or attempt anything of this sort.. don't put any preconceptions on any sort of accomplishment.. just do it, then at the end, evaluate the end result.. ending with positive feedback!

Hope this helps, even in the least..

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There was a time when I was very into the idea of leaving the physical vessel.  This curiosity stuck with me, inflicting insomnia as I devoured every bit of information I could absorb in this world.  It fizzled shortly after my first conscious projection.  It was intense, and life changing.. to say the least.  Time and space warped into a pinhole in front of me, and I was sucked right out of this reality and into the real time zone.  As this was happening, my screams of astonishment was all I could provide in order to mask the screams of what sounded like an eternity of souls singing squeals.  This was the first time I had not suddenly appeared in the RTZ or suddenly become lucid.  I finally witnessed the intermediary stage..

Shortly after that, I became less involved with projection, and more involved with spirituality.  Of course, we're all on different paths..

Thankfully, I think my spirituality has caught up with me.  I plan to begin anew soon, with daily meditations, a healthy diet, nightly sessions of NEW.. and eventually, attempts at leaving myself.

So.. to save myself from trailing off.. within a month, I'll want to OBE with passion!

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from my personal experience, i know that anything is possible.

good luck with your training!

this is my personal approach to headaches, and i believe it can work for everyone:

just lie down, relax a bit (as much as you can with the pain).. then.. with the best attitude you can muster, just embrace the pain and feel it away.. instead of avoiding the pain, thinking "boy, this pain is annoying, i wish it'd go away".. concentrate on bringing the pain to the forefront.. after awhile, in my case, it'll go away..

hope this helps.. attitude is key.

amed

i frequent many forums relating to metaphysical and spiritual matters, and i must say i saw many posts describing the same sensations earlier today.  hrm..?

amed

the point of the movie was to demonstrate that guns are NOT the problem.  anyone who thought this was an anti-gun documentary missed the point with larger implications.  moore was trying to convey how society is based on FEAR in this country, and how fear eventually leads to control.

one thing i remember...
when crime in this country went down a certain percentage (say, 30%), the amount of violence and crime portrayed on the evening news increased by 200%.  

Perhaps when you stop questioning, and rely a little more on faith.. the distinction between real entities and that of your own creation will become a bit more clear.

just a thought..


amed

It seems my etheric/astral self has benefitted from this experience as well.  Have any of you noticed that we tend to act different in our dreams and in our out of body experiences?  It's like we are more influenced by our higher energies.. much less dense.

Anyhow, I woke up early this morning.. read for an hour, then went back to bed.  Suddenly, I snapped to and I was stuck halfway out of my body (I tend to leave my body 7/10 times if I use this method).  But this time the experience was like none other.  This time, I could actually see my etheric hands, and I seemed more in control of the entire situation.  I never actually see my own energy.. so this was a first and quite exciting.
After shuffling around for a bit, I realized I was perpindicular to my body.. my chest was sticking out of my bunked bed and my legs were somewhere down below.  This is where I noticed a major change.. new ideas came to my head in this out of body state.  Usually, I'd become excited and just float around the room.. but it appears I have more focus now.  I felt the urge to lift my legs up.. and I floated in an indian style position and meditated, using the same technique I first talked about in this post.  This is the first time I had attempted anything like this out of the body.. it was very peaceful..

ALSO!  I want to ask anyone that's reading this about something.  Another strange thing happened to me when I was doing energy work before sleep last nite.  I was just laying there, pondering life/etc.. when I suddenly was come over with such a horrible feeling of dread and anguish.  This is unlike anything I'd ever felt before, at least that I could remember.  As I began to spiral down (emotional spiral), I literally fought myself back by thinking of 'source/god'.. telling myself that I had no reason to feel and think these thoughts.  I felt normal again.. then suddenly I felt the strange emotional pull again and more VERY intense feels of hopelessness/dread/anguish, however you want to describe it came over me in a wave.  I was being forced into this feeling.  I again thought of 'source/god', and reaffirmed that I had nothing to worry about.  It didn't happen again.  Was this a negative attack?  My feeling is a rather strong neg passed by me and decided to try something.

all the best,
Amed

Thanks for the reply.  I find your comments both stimulating and insightful.

Last summer, I also made a go at bending a spoon.  I was trying to develop a novel approach, but it never moved or changed.  I held off to perhaps try again in the near future.

I think you're right on the money.  I've always read about this certain distraction, and it never never was useful to me in any way, until now.  I'm just thankful at this I guess.. any experience that reaffirms faith is one I'd wish on anyone.

I'm different now.  While growing up, I had always had a certain curiosity when it came to psychic and telekinetic phenomenon.  I had tried moving things in the past.  In fact, last week I was trying to move the pinwheel on the thumbtack; a technique I had read about from this very forum.  Now, I have finally proved it, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am (WE ARE) capable of it, even in such a small degree, and that means a lot to me.  However, it is now the enemy.  When I meditate on an object, my mind is quick with anticipation.  It is a bit harder to settle, yet much clearer.  And thus, it has created a new mountain to climb.

Amed

That's interesting.  I have not heard of this before, this Empty Force qigong.  I'll do some google searches on it when I have more time to find out more.

I now believe that faith has one of the larger roles to play in any method.. trance, obe, meditation..  This was not the first time I had attempted something like this, but my heart and emotion was really into it this time.  I really believed what I was doing.  And as a result, this experience has reflected positively into my daily life.  Although my personal faith was strong before, this event has made it even stronger.

Thanks for the comments!

I saw it with my own eyes.  It really did move, and it doesn't affect me a bit if there are those out there that doubt me.  I wasn't even trying to make it move.  In fact, I debated to include that minor detail late last night while typing the experience here, and it appears I should have left it out.  It seems to be a sensitive subject to some.


On a side note, however, I've heard talk of these 'psi powers' as detrimental to one's spiritual advancement.  After last night's events, I agree.  After it moved, subsequent attempts to reach the same state had me focusing on MOVING the object, rather than just BEING.  It definitely clouded my thoughts.  For the longest time, the fact that it moved with my mind demanded all my attention and aspirations.  That's when I quit and came here.

It reminded me of a Buddhist Meditation book I read long ago.  It mentioned that, after years of dilligence, a sativa will reach a state of awareness and perception where beings of light and deities will be visible to him or her.  The book strongly demands to ignore it, to even go as far as slashing it with a mental sword.  Its explanation: You are not enlightened, why stop to dilly dally?

I now understand that reasoning.

Amed

i'm not sure if this will help anyone, as most of what makes this technique sensible has to do with the way i view things.. but i'll try to relate my method of reaching 'quiet mind' as best i can.

this technique is easier if u can hold an image of something in your head for long periods of time.. not the outright image, but the feeling of that image.. i dunno, use your imagination!  

ok, this is what i do:  first i relax the entire body.. i tend to concentrate on the core of the earth, imagining myself as a dot on the surface of this huge sphere we're on.. this tends to relax and shift my focus away from my body right away.. a couple minutes here will lead me to step two..

i next zoom out, and.. its hard to describe, but i shift my awareness from a human being living this current lifetime on earth in the 21st century to one involved in a bigger picture.. imagine yourself no longer in your body but in a state of calm content.. u can view yourself as many dots (lifetimes) and feel as tho you are the summation of those lives.  thats how i meditate before i sleep.. its based firmly on the belief that my energy.. as a whole is participating in several different lives across several different timelines.. i just try to skip out of this one when i meditate and experience the sum.

hope this helps in anyway, amed

as far as my spiritual state goes, its seriously been feeling like a culmination lately.  everyday, i've been noticing strange connections.. small significant events that add up to the total picture.. i think i am noticing the weblike structure of thought/creation.  
as of late its become apparent that some sort of veil has been lifted.. at least for me.  i've noticed that i am starting to notice entities more and more.  for awhile i'd have the small experience to take note of, but as of late, my ability to sense things have increased.  in fact, i JUST saw a small speclike streak in the right of my peripherial vision against my whitewall, all while i type this paragraph.

anyhow, i see that others around are experiencing a change.. there seems to be a vague picture of what is to come out there, but for the most part its in a blur.  i feel like a change is coming.. but then again, i've felt like i'd be alive for great change before i could remember.  my metaphysical outlook began with night terror possession at a very young age, and that experience has shaped who i am today.  recently, i've been having horrible nightmares.  horrible gore, blood and death in very realistic experiences.  however, at the end.. it always ends in a neutral or uplifting feeling.  this change seems positive.. eventually.

who knows?  i often ponder the universe before i go to bed.  anyone ponder and receive guidance?

Unfortunately, as of late, I also have been taking seriously the notion of a possible poleshift/end of world type scenario.  I am very spiritual at heart, and I can feel a change coming.  

This May, if you see a red cross near the constellation of orion, regardless of what the news media says, please take cover.