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Xanth- I've been reading Astral Pulse for a few years now.  I haven't posted much, instead, reading topics that benefit my needs with AP/lucid dreaming as I come to need them.  I just wanted to thank you for the energy you put into replying to every last person's question about the topic (with whatever label they put on it).  It takes incredible devotion and interest to put forth the effort you do to help people.  Instead of selling a product like Robert Bruce, you strive to teach people to think of their experience subjectively and learn to make decisions based on learning; you don't teach people to use these skills for their own personal benefit.  I wouldn't be in the place I am today without your selfless labor to the subject

I'd say the physical is a school we go to and the rest is what's real. Taking this into a wider perspective there's only one and we are all from one source, everyone is an aspect of self placed into individualised units to learn things from different perspectives.

So, let's say you go to a different realm and do a retrieval just for argument's sake, say it's like that place you went to, Szaxx, in that incredibly long post (amazing read by the way).  Is that technically "their" school where they are living?  If they were to come here it would be "real" to them and they would want to use what they learned there, here?  I'm having trouble understanding how this would work for other entities in different places

I used to use those but soon found out the earbuds really hurt my ears later on in the night if I slept sideways.  I'd recommend putting your device on volume without the buds! 

Also, there are lots of Android apps that use the accelerometer to "tell" if you're in REM or not.  You can record audios of yourself saying "I'm dreaming" or whatever you choose.  I've used that a few times and had great success with it 

I've been having a lot of tests in dreams lately about temptation, usually with women, and usually not passing  .  Last night I became lucid and just then, a beautiful girl I know walked up the stairs with some problems she wanted to talk about.  I started undressing her to then realize, "Geez man don't you think this might be a test?" I sat with her for about 15 minutes talking over what was bugging her. When we were finished, I decided to wake up since I had passed the test, as I couldn't think of anything else to do and I didn't want to stay too long and lose the memory.  That resulted in a false awakening where I ended up losing lucidity but either way, I'm happy to pass a test! 

Is he saying that we will essentially create our own hell after we die if we do not recognize that we are creating our own projections?

One piece Tom adds is that once you die, you go into what Robert Bruce calls the "Hospital realm."  He says that "They" basically tell you that everything is ok and keep you occupied until you can reincarnate again, or "jump in line!" as Tom puts it.  As you are kept occupied, your whole life will just fade away like a dream does when you wake up, and you'll be ready to go back into the system again to, as Xanth put it, become love and evolve.  The learning is to be done in the "schoolhouse," not when you die.  There wouldn't be any point in scaring you and creating a hell while you're waiting!

The reason could be almost anything.

I've been having roughly the same thing happen to me as of late.  Just about every night now I have what I can only call "alternate lives" dreams.  These are fully fleshed out, epic long dreams of me as someone else in another life, sort-to-speak.  Last night's was even more epic than usual when I attained an astral-awareness half way through.  It gave me roughly 5 minutes to further test the "physicalness" of the reality I was in.
It just further reinforced my perspective.

Do you think these were truly 'alternate lives' or experiences in which you could learn something, maybe from a different person's perspective?

Right, and I would be going to sleep after meditation, energy work, etc with my intent.  I used binaural beats for a while until they started giving me headaches after long periods of time.  They eventually became a crutch as I noticed it was difficult to get into trances without them!

I am unable to do astral projecting or contact them myself without this information due to a medical condition.

You could learn to do healing energy work.  Robert Bruce talks about using energy in a multitude of ways that could be of benefit.  This link goes to his book http://www.divinetruth.com/PDF/People/Other/Robert%20Bruce%20-%20New%20Energy%20Ways.pdf

I have been trying to lucid dream for about a year now with about 10 successful DILDs and WILDs over that period.  I recently started using the accelerometer in my android to predict REM and heard about various headbands and masks that use EEG machines to predict them more accurately.  Popular headbands are the Aurora Dreamer, Remee, and the NovaDreamer 1 and 2.  Has anyone bought these headbands/masks and found them to increase success?  I'm looking for training wheels and plan on ditching it when it becomes a crutch or need-basis to lucid dream!  If anyone has bought any (even those not listed above), was it helpful or a waste of money?

Sagar, Tom Campbell uses the term "actualized reality."  Instead of another Earth and it's history just existing in another realm, it is a probability distribution.  There was a probability that the other reality could have existed, however it wasn't "actualized".  So, that's not to say it doesn't exist.  If you spoke with anyone there, what they told you would just be the most probable thing that they would say in that reality, as Campbell would put it. 

Even if the intent starts out by being for your benefit.  It will eventually become a "fake it till you make it!"
You won't have to think about it 

It's only data 

As for a direct answer to your question, I don't know why you would want to have that kind of experience.

Not that I would want to have an experience like that, I was just interested if anyone has ever gotten to communicate enough to see a negative entity's viewpoint on things.  They're consciousness too so it seems interesting that they could get to the point where they had that much negative energy about them.  In they're "reality," it should be just as much about learning, evolving, relationships, etc. 

Very interesting.  The bad entities that belong there, though, do you think are there because they have learning to do? I can't imagine an entity de-evolving (sp?) to learn, so much to the point where it was in a state like that. 

There's never a 100% negative entity, like everyone here, bad entities are just entities who had a bad life, had struggle and went through a lot.

That's a good way to see it, there's still some good in everything.  As far as some of the other encounters you've had, were you able to communicate in a way where you actually gained knowledge from your "conversation?"  Like a Q and A of sorts. 

Has anyone ever been able to maintain successful communication with a negative entity?  So something like a controlled environment where this would be possible.  If so, what was the outcome?  I figure many, once realizing you have no fear, would flee or cease to exist. 

That makes a whole lot of sense, thanks for clearing that up!


" However, don't let the "just" fool you... what most people consider a "dream", as I mentioned above, doesn't exist. There is no such fundamental experience called a "dream". There is only you experiencing the non-physical unknowingly!"

Yes I agree, I've read many of your threads about the dangers of labeling experiences.  It's sometimes good to label though because it gets to a point where if you didn't, words would fail.  Anyways, a "dream" is essentially no different from an AP?  It's all non-physical?  I'm way beyond thinking that dreams are inside our heads, but the dynamics of dreams seem so much different than AP's.  I haven't had a projection yet, but I have had quite a few lucid dreams, and from what I've read they seem so different in dynamics.

A lot of people talk about awareness during a lucid dream for example.  How are aware you are being how lucid you are in terms of acknowledging you're in the "non-physical," clarity of mind, and so on.  When people talk about awareness in the our reality, the "physical," what does that mean?  We're all consciously aware of what's happening and going on so what's the difference?  How can you be more aware in the "physical" than other times? 

That's just it, the "space" doesn't exist either until you take the measurement.

May I inquire as to WHY you feel you need to understand these concepts?

1) As simple as an answer it was, that really made it click

2) As much as I hate to be an armchair expert  , I've read all of Bruce's books and have sat through about 6 hours of Tom's youtube videos and just want to understand fully what I'm reading/watching! 
Thanks for the replies guys

There is no brain, there is no space for the brain... there is no bone in your finger, there is no space for the bone in the finger... it's all just data.   

I get the fact that it isn't in existence unless you are taking a measurement, making a record.  What confuses me still is the "space."  I'm not quite grasping that there is no space for the bone in the finger etc.  Take a cube for example.  What's inside the cube in our "reality" won't be rendered until someone actually opens up the cube to see it.  However, having volume, I see it as having "space" inside of it.  Yes, what's in the cube isn't rendered when the cube is closed, but what makes up that space in the meantime?  That's why earlier I was saying it seemed like it was 2-d because if the cube didn't have space it would be flat. 

"No space there" leads me to think that it is almost 2-d information that we are perceiving as 3-d reality when the information is downloaded.  Is that closer?

-D

Tom Campbell gives a theory that, much like a simulated computer game, what we don't see is not rendered to us.  For instance, a place in the arctic with no consciousness to observe it (humans, animals, birds, etc) will not truly be "there".  As, in a simulation, why would a computer uselessly display graphics to no one?  After giving it some thought I wondered about our brains.  If no consciousness is there to "see" your brain, it technically isn't there, or being rendered in Campbell's theory.  In this case, what would fill in this gap?  It cant just empty space...  I'm approaching it with open minded skepticism so anyone's feedback is greatly appreciated.