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You have a very negative perspective on life and humanity...
I used to look at the world in a very similar way that you do right now.  About 5 - 6 years ago, I would have agreed with every word you said... not anymore.

You see the murder and cheating... I see the Love and beauty.  That doesn't mean the murder and cheating doesn't exist, I just don't focus on them as my primary focus.  

Change your perspective and you change your reality.  YOU are the creator of your reality.  Make use of it and stop being the victim.

Your mission here is to learn to Love.  

I've learned to love TRUTH (that would be God's attribute number 51 on the list I provided: Al Haqq (الحق) The Truth, the Real) above all else. I see the murder and cheating... you see the love and beauty. We're obviously BOTH right thus far. The human condition certainly fluctuates to both extremes. But the truth, as I see it of course, is that by this very admission of man's polarity between good & bad one accepts the underlying truth that the human race is intrinsically flawed.

And flawed creatures do NOT good gods make, my friend.

PS: that hopey-changey-based theory of "Change your perspective and you change your reality" only works up to a certain point. Sometimes when faced with Reality one must learn instead to surrender & accept. Then again I'm talking about Reality with a capital R.

PS: I just want to clarify I'm NOT pointing fingers at anyone specifically in these forums but rather speaking in overall general terms of what I consider humanity to be. If anything, the people drawn to AP certainly all seem to be quite decent and likeable people. Now count how many participants AP has and then compare that number to how many other people out there prefer playing violent videogames or watching porn or indulging in some other similar self-destructive behavior online instead. MILLIONS! Right now.

Actually, every single human that exists, has existed or will exist has the potential to exude every last characteristic on that list.

Actually, NOT ONE single human that exists, has existed or will exist has ever exhibited a SINGLE ONE of the attributes mentioned on that list. Not O N E. Potential, shmotential. The greatest potential humans have is for wishful-thinking.

It means that you are fully and completely responsible for your own actions

Exactly! And what precisely ARE the collective actions of human beings? Murder, torture, theft, lies, deception, cheating, egocentrism, ignorance and self importance ..to name just a few! A race of venomous snakes with the gall to consider themselves 'potential' gods. Here's MY take on what life on earth represents: the opportunity to LEAVE 'humanity' behind by recognizing the concept for what it truly is .. then subsequently transcending it altogether!! You know that 'hell' all the religions talk about so animatedly? Well, that 'hell' is also known as 'earth' and the demons we read about in all those sacred texts are also known as 'humans'.

If anything, our mission here is to learn how to STOP being human.

[NO!]

"Are We Gods"

IMHO, NO! Absolutely NOT!

First of all, I find it hard to accept the concept of multiple gods. There is either ONE or there is NONE. I find the concept of God temporarily forgetting about its true nature to be utterly ridiculous. Secondly, if there be a God it (I abhor referring to a possible God as being 'he' or 'she') would have to possess the attributes of being All Powerful, Omnipresent, All Knowing, Loving, Merciful, and Infinite.
In fact if there be a God it would need to possess ALL of the following attributes, as detailed wonderfully by the Islamic tradition in the following list:

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The 99 Names (Attributes) of God (Allah)* according to the tradition of Islam are:

1.Ar Rahman (الرحمن) The All Merciful
2.Ar Rahim (الرحيم) The Most Merciful
3.Al Malik (الملك) The King, The Sovereign
4.Al Quddus (القدوس) The Most Holy
5.As Salam (السلام) Peace and Blessing
6.Al Mu'min (المؤمن) The Guarantor
7.Al Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian, the Preserver
8.Al Aziz (العزيز) The Almighty, the Self Sufficient
9.Al Jabbar (الجبار) The Powerful, the Irresistible
10.Al Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Tremendous
11.Al Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator
12.Al Bari' (البارئ) The Maker
13.Al Musawwir (المصور) The Fashioner of Forms
14.Al Ghaffar (الغفار) The Ever Forgiving
15.Al Qahhar (القهار) The All Compelling Subduer
16.Al Wahhab (الوهاب) The Bestower
17.Ar Razzaq (الرزاق) The Ever Providing
18.Al Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener, the Victory Giver
19.Al Alim (العليم) The All Knowing, the Omniscient
20.Al Qabid (القابض) The Restrainer, the Straightener
21.Al Basit (الباسط) The Expander, the Munificent
22.Al Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser
23.Ar Rafi' (الرافع) The Exalter
24.Al Mu'izz (المعز) The Giver of Honor
25.Al Muzil (المذل) The Giver of Dishonor
26.Al Sami' (السميع) The All Hearing
27.Al Basir (البصير) The All Seeing
28.Al Hakam (الحكم) The Judge, the Arbitrator
29.Al 'Adl (العدل) The Utterly Just
30.Al Latif (اللطيف) The Subtly Kind
31.Al Khabir (الخبير) The All Aware
32.Al Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing, the Indulgent
33.Al 'Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent, the Infinite
34.Al Ghafur (الغفور) The All Forgiving
35.Ash Shakur (الشكور) The Grateful
36.Al Ali (العلي) The Sublimely Exalted
37.Al Kabir (الكبير) The Great
38.Al Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver
39.Al Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher
40.Al Hasib (الحسيب) The Reckoner
41.Al Jalil (الجليل) The Majestic
42.Al Karim (الكريم) The Bountiful, the Generous
43.Ar Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful
44.Al Mujib (المجيب) The Responsive, the Answerer
45.Al Wasi' (الواسع) The Vast, the All Encompassing
46.Al Hakim (الحكيم) The Wise
47.Al Wadud (الودود) The Loving, the Kind One
48.Al Majid (المجيد) The All Glorious
49.Al Ba'ith (الباعث) The Raiser of the Dead
50.Ash Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness
51.Al Haqq (الحق) The Truth, the Real
52.Al Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee, the Dependable
53.Al Qawiyy (القوي) The Strong
54.Al Matin (المتين) The Firm, the Steadfast
55.Al Wali (الولي) The Protecting Friend, Patron, and Helper
56.Al Hamid (الحميد) The All Praiseworthy
57.Al Muhsi (المحصي) The Accounter, the Numberer of All
58.Al Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Producer, Originator, and Initiator of all
59.Al Mu'id (المعيد) The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
60.Al Muhyi (المحيي) The Giver of Life
61.Al Mumit (المميت) The Bringer of Death, the Destroyer
62.Al Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living
63.Al Qayyum (القيوم) The Self Subsisting Sustainer of All
64.Al Wajid (الواجد) The Perceiver, the Finder, the Unfailing
65.Al Majid (الماجد) The Illustrious, the Magnificent
66.Al Wahid (الواحد) The One, the All Inclusive, the Indivisible
67.Al Ahad (الاحد) The Unity, The indivisible
68.As Samad (الصمد) The Long, the Impregnable, the Everlasting
69.Al Qadir (القادر) The All Able
70.Al Muqtadir (المقتدر) The All Determiner, the Dominant
71.Al Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter, He who brings forward
72.Al Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer, He who puts far away
73.Al Awwal (الأول) The First
74.Al Akhir (الآخر) The Last
75.Az Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest; the All Victorious
76.Al Batin (الباطن) The Hidden; the All Encompassing
77.Al Wali (الوالي) The Patron
78.Al Muta'al (المتعالي) The Self Exalted
79.Al Barr (البر) The Most Kind and Righteous
80.At Tawwab (التواب) The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
81.Al Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger
82.Al 'Afuww (العفو) The Pardoner, the Effacer of Sins
83.Ar Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Compassionate, the All Pitying
84.Malik al Mulk (مالك الملك) The Owner of All Sovereignty
85.Dhu al Jalal wa al Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
86.Al Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable, the Requiter
87.Al Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer, the Unifier
88.Al Ghani (الغني) The All Rich, the Independent
89.Al Mughni (المغني) The Enricher, the Emancipator
90.Al Mani' (المانع) The Withholder, the Shielder, the Defender
91.Ad Dharr (الضآر) The Distresser
92.An Nafi' (النافع) The Propitious, the Benefactor
93.An Nur (النور) The Light
94.Al Hadi (الهادي) The Guide
95.Al Badi (البديع) Incomparable, the Originator
96.Al Baqi (الباقي) The Ever Enduring and Immutable
97.Al Warith (الوارث) The Heir, the Inheritor of All
98.Ar Rashid (الرشيد) The Guide, Infallible Teacher, and Knower
99.As Sabur (الصبور) The Patient, the Timeless

NOTE: Allah is the literal translation of the word God and so is not one of his names. The names refer to "characteristics" and "attributes" of God (Allah).

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Last time I checked, no humans possess ANY of the characteristics mentioned on that list. If anything, I would venture say that we humans are more akin to DEMONS! Grubby, self-centered, shallow, materialistic, ignorant D E M O N S with the AUDACITY to ask ourselves whether we are 'gods'.

The reason you and possibly projector4life don't accept the dream thing as connected to the true OBE

I do accept the dream thing as being connected to a true OOBE, but only in the same way I would accept a pop-tart as a substitute for sirloin steak. 

Permanently Grounded, please check out the link below. It contains some out of body experiences that have 360 degree vision.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/the_incredible_multiple_i-t34599.0.html

Uh, actually NO ONE mentions experiencing 360 degree vision in this link you provided. Did you read thru them? For the record; 360 degree vision is seeing in all directions simultaneously.

Permanently Grounded has brought up some good points. Just like permanently grounded, I've had one projection that was so real that I knew without a doubt this was an out of body experience. This was my first projection. Ever since then, my projections have involved some dreamlike qualities. So I agree, I have seen very few posts by forum members that match my first projection.

My point exactly! I completely understand and accept Xanth's opinion insofar that we are all capable of projecting & in fact do so continuously, albeit without remembering afterwards. I get it. What I don't get is the dream thing. My one and only projection was so unequivocally lucid as to be not just real but hyper-real. 35 years later and it still has an indelible impact on me. To wit; I lost all fear of death completely after that experience, I confirmed the fact that life transcends the physical, I confirmed the fact that the world as we know it is just a small apparent part of a much, much vaster scheme of things. The only thing I didn't confirm ...quite sadly ...is whether there truly is a God. For me, the ability to confirm whether there is a God (preferably a loving one!) to whom humans can somehow relate would blow absolutely E V E R Y T H I N G else out of the water in terms of importance. EVERYTHING.


My personal experience was so real that in fact for the longest time I refused to consider 'lucid dreaming' or any other descriptions of OOBE's that included the word "dream" as true OOBEs.  
Still don't.

Can someone put up a poll?
It would be interesting to know how many here have had a full blown proper OBE.

I mean The post below is so negative, made me think.

I tend to view things that make me think as a positive, not a negative.




Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear
-Thomas Jefferson

Hi all my names Jason and I thought id introduce myself. I'm a 36yo male from Australia that recently survived a pretty bad car accident. I ended up with a fractured spine l1-l2. I had a stay in hospital for about a week. So I have to ware a full body brace to support my back.
The first day after getting out of hospital I stayed at my girlfriends house and went to bed as usual.
I remember lying there falling asleep as usual when all of a sudden I heard a loud buzzing sound inside my head and I began to feel real jittery I tryed to shrug it off when all of a sudden I felt a pull from the end of the bed I literally excrement myself lol and woke up.
My girlfriend said I was making moaning sounds for a second before I awoke. I fell asleep afterwards as normal.
This recurred several nights in a row fighting it and waking up as soon as id feel myself getting pulled of the bed. We had put it down to a reoccurring nightmare.
The next time it happened I was consciously aware as id already experienced it several times so I decided to not be afraid and juz go with it,so I was lying there my head started to buzz and the bed started to vibrate I felt a pull next thing I know I'm at the end of the bed on the floor it was so weird I got up and looked around when I noticed two bodys in the bed one of them was mine I thought at the time I must be dreaming!!
I also noticed that everything was glittering like it was covered in glitter. So I decided to keep going with it so I remember floating down the passage way to the front door I still thought this must be a dream but it was so vivid. Ive had dreams when I could fly before so I thought id go out side. I went straight through the front door and looked up at a starry sky then before I knew it I was back on the bed and my girlfriend was rollng over which I'm guessing disturbed me.
I wanted to know what was going on so I started researching  the symptoms I was experiencing and astral/obe's kept coming up.
After researching a bit more ive tryed the techniques and ive had another two travels since in the last fortnight which ill describe in another post as my phone batt is about to die. Any info on my story from an more experienced traveler would be appreciated as I'm only new to this. Thanks..

Hi Jason

I'm definitely not an expert but what you describe certainly seems to be the classic vibrational state that precedes an AP (astral projection). I highly recommend you read Don J. DeGracia's book on Astral Projection which is available free online as a PDF document, just google it, in order to educate yourself more completely on the topic. Glad to hear that you'll be all right eventually, spinal injuries are usually the worst and most dangerous injuries a person can suffer.

Hang in there!!!

My personal view is believe the above.

It just seems to be intuitively true for me as well. I also agree with Omcasey.

[Unlike almost any other activity we humans know of, you CANNOT be a moral retard and succeed at projecting. You can be a moral retard (i.e. have no moral values whatsoever) in art, science, business (where you actually have an advantage!) or other activities of life, but you cannot if you want to succeed astral projecting. If you DO try to project and at the same time stay morally poverty stricken, well, it is then that astral projection can be dangerous.]

Dissatisfied for one reason or another with most of the answers given to my question above, I continued deeply pondering the issue when this morning I came across (was guided to?...) an excellent book on Astral Projection written by Don J DeGracia.  Here is what he has to say on the subject:

"When you initially begin to project, the first things you will encounter will be things of your own creation. Some authors refer to this as meeting the "dweller on the threshold". Again, this "Dweller" is all the petty, all the bad, all the fear that you have in you. I'm not lying about this either - it has happened to me. It's a stage you very likely will encounter. In a sense, all these negative elements of your personality are like a wall or room in the astral plane, that you will go to when you first begin to project.  It is imperative that you realize that this is YOU. There is nothing to be afraid of because it IS you. You have complete control over these elements. YOU CAN BANISH THEM SIMPLY BY UNDERSTANDING THEM FOR WHAT THEY ARE.  Your consciousness of your self is like a healing fire that can burn away these negative elements by understanding them. Once you confront these negative aspects of your self, they will disappear and you will have grown with new self-insight. This growing is called "maturing", and occurs because of buddhic plane energies. It takes will-power to confront these things in yourself, and it takes wisdom and compassion to see them for what they are and to accept them.   So, one way or another, anyone aspiring to astral project will very likely be confronted with this "dweller on the threshold".  By dealing with it, you get past it, and you grow.  And then, after this first stage is passed, your experiences on the planes will not be as contaminated by personal factors. As the personal factors become less a part of your astral projection experiences, then your experiences there will reflect more clearly these planes as they objectively exist, uncontaminated by your subconscious influences. This process is like cleaning off a window. The cleaner the window is, the better you can see through it. Likewise, when you project, the cleaner your personality is, the better you will be able to see through it into the planes. Which leads me to state an important idea I have not stated yet, and that is that the planes are extremely plastic. They are molded by your slightest emotion, desire or thought. The second you think something, a little piece of the mental plane is shaped exactly into your thought pattern, making a thought-form. This is exactly why your initial experiences projecting will be so extremely colored by your personality.   So, that's it for an introduction to the moral side of astral projecting. Unlike almost any other activity we humans know of, you CANNOT be a moral retard and succeed at projecting. You can be a moral retard (i.e. have no moral values whatsoever) in art, science, business (where you actually have an advantage!) or other activities of life, but you cannot if you want to succeed astral projecting. If you DO try to project and at the same time stay morally poverty stricken, well, it is then that astral projection can be dangerous.  It is just built like this.   Though morals seem like subjective gobbly goop in our physical life, they are, in reality, the laws upon which our entire human existence is based.  Just as we need to know the laws of gravity to build a spaceship, we likewise need to know the laws of moral behavior to succeed at ANY occult task.  The only time occultism is dangerous is if you use it in an amoral fashion. "

Thoughts? Comments?

PG, my sincerest apologies.  I called you a Troll, and Stupid to boot.  Neither were very nice, and for that I am truly sorry.  

It seems like you have some issues with this board.  It's unfortunate that you decided to use my post as a soapbox for your issues.  I'm just here to learn, and prove or disprove this whole OBE/Astral Projection stuff for myself.  It might be real, it might not.  But until I give it 100%, I have no basis to judge.

I sincerely wish you the best, and hope that you find what you need here.

Scott

Lol. Apology accepted! I should apologize myself for saying stupid things such as "I sincerely doubt anyone here is truly able to project" ...when in reality I have absolutely no facts whatsoever to back such foolish claims. It seems like I might have some issues with life itself in general, as in; I fear I may have completely soured to it! You see, part of my job involves keeping up with trending political, financial and social issues and I witness so much fraud, deception and outright criminality occurring on a daily basis that sometimes it seems I have become hopelessly & irretrievably negative. I feel like everyone is just outright lying and out to deceive me. Which is why sometimes I just get angry like an old man trying to send back soup in a deli.

Despite my personal issues, allow me to assure you that projecting is REAL and that the Astral Pulse is indeed a valuable resource for learning more about it.  Best regards.

[me]

When I first started on the topic I came across the need to meditate and going through several other 'long' phases, and as you said they do talk about the morality of it; without success by the way. I do feel I am a moral person but I like short cuts, so from just watching a couple of 10 minute clips from youtube I was able in project within a week. But I feel so long as you are in the correct frame of mind you will have a truly amazing experience, so I agree with Xanth.

When it comes down to the morality of it; unfortunately I feel confident I could teach the same techniques to 'anyone'.

OK. Teach me then!

Those two individuals (and definitely not Tom Campbell) have definitely not said that. 

Thanks for the reply Xanth! Can you clarify what Bob Monroe means then when he talks about accepting being "on your own" as a prerequisite for reincarnating on earth? It's at the 3:15 mark:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71E0YlJzlg

In my humble opinion, a truly conscious OOBE is such an intense and mind-blowing experience that the veracity of the experience itself will/can never leave you wondering whether it was real or not.
So I'm going with 'Lucid Dream' for $300.

I personally don't see the point of people relating their dreams play by play, given the fact that if the dreams contain ANY significance whatsoever within them, the only person capable of unraveling their meaning would be the dreamer him/herself. Sure, certain generalizations about dream symbology can be made, but the personal variables are so vast as to render the attempt of having outsiders try to interpret other people's dreams completely useless.

One of the main differences I notice between the astral projectors of today vs those of yesteryear is that previously OOBE's were traditionally considered to be an achievement earned only after many, many years of spiritual work & progress. Hence in Hinduism for example great emphasis was traditionally placed on practicing personal cleanliness, adherence to non-violence, developing respect for all forms of life, practicing chastity, exercising only truthful speech, etc.

Nowadays I see NONE of this foundational moral work being mentioned in any modern-day forums that pertain to OOBE's. In fact, most seem to treat the topic of having an OOBE as being something as easy to achieve -with regular practice- as throwing a good curve ball! Even if those who claim to be projecting on a regular basis are doing so because they already naturally adhere to and practice these basic moral concepts, why isn't morality ever mentioned when discussing the ability to have OOBE's?

Did I miss something in the translation from then to now? Could all those antique cultures have been so wrong for so many centuries? Is morality a necessary prerequisite for having an OOBE or isn't it?

I myself personally have never consciously experienced the presence or even existence of a spirit guide. I truly wish with all my heart that such an entity truly existed and to be able to communicate with it though!

I do find the concept itself of having a spirit guide slightly confusing however, since people I respect such as Robert Monroe and Tom Campbell clearly state that one of the conditions of life on earth is that we surrender all possibilities of receiving outside help. Yet at the same time both claim to have interacted with such entities nonetheless!

I'd sure like to hear Xanth's opinion on this.

[My]

Szaxx, Xanth,

I actually read PG's post earlier,  and my first thought was to reply: "Who's that trip-trapping across my bridge?"

But in the end, I figured that might be just a little too obtuse, so I decided to just ignore his post. 

Definitely got my post bumped up a little!

Thanks for all the replies.  This is definitely a great place,  trolls and all.

Scott

My bad for trying to be helpful with your spiritual education by stating what I understand to be a truth.
Your bad for dismissing me automatically as a 'troll' simply because you didn't like what I had to say.

There, bumped you up again!

[all]

Aren't you just the little judgmental fellow, eh?
Scott, please do ignore that above rant... it's definitely not reflective of the experience and breadth this forum can offer.  

Quite the path you've traveled so far!

Unlike my friend who posted above... I suggest keeping your mind open to the possibilities that exist.  Realize that humanity has very little idea of what's going on in our minds when we do activities such as "dreaming".  When I use the term "dreaming", I use it extremely loosely, as our science really has no idea what it is or what causes it.  Nice eh... that so many people will tell you that your experiences are "just dreams"... yet we have absolutely no idea what a dream is.  Doesn't that boggle your mind?

I know it does me.  

Welcome.

First things first: there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being judgmental. You do it every time you choose to eat a hamburger instead of a plateful of broken glass or every time you decide NOT to stick your fingers into a meat grinder to see "what happens". Judges make a living out of being judgmental. The fact is that we as a species are nothing more than advanced simians (aka monkey people) that are hard-wired to be that way. Hence the real issue isn't about 'being judgmental' but rather about the ability of being able to judge with a minimal degree of accuracy & effectiveness.

Xanth states that "humanity has very little idea of what's going on in our minds when we do activities such as "dreaming"", yet humanity has even LESS idea of what's going on while we're AWAKE! Take the mythology of American culture for example: Americans claim to live in the "most free nation on earth" yet with only 5% of the planet's population they have 25% of the world's prisoners. Some 'freedom', huh? Moreover, the USA runs a Prison-For-Profit system wherein inmates are used as forced labor to produce goods that will be sold in the open market in exchange for -literally- slave wages. Americans consider themselves "brave" yet they regularly use drone bombs to murder innocent children 7422 miles away from here as they play soccer. The USA claims to enjoy "free speech" yet all of its newspapers and television news media belong to just SIX corporations! The USA is also responsible for invading scores of other sovereign nations based of false accusations and fabricated 'evidence'. The USA has legalized torture, legalized financial fraud and legalized criminality. It operates secret courts (FISA courts) issuing secret warrants, all of which is in open violation of its own constitutional mandates. As we speak the USA is actively engaged in trying to provoke a nuclear war with China and Russia through its endless meddling in other's internal affairs, lies and abuse. How can people NOT see THIS yet still claim to know what dreams are about? To quote someone who never actually existed;

"When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, 'A shower is coming,' and so it turns out. And when you see a south wind blowing, you say, 'It will be a hot day,' and it turns out that way. You hypocrites! You know how to analyze the appearance of the earth and the sky, but why do you not analyze this present time?

I completely agree with Xanth! I too suggest keeping your mind open to the possibilities that exist ..as well as to those that DON'T.

My advice to you is this: don't expect to learn much -if anything- from these forums, as I sincerely doubt anyone here is truly able to project! It seems very common here to confuse silly dreams, however realistic,  with actual OOBE's. Reading thru the message boards what seems quite clear is that most posters seem completely incapable of separating their overactive imaginations & fantasies from what an actual out of body experience is ..yet that doesn't stop them from having the audacity to offer advice to others! They remind me of those religious fanatics who go around claiming to have a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ and how they can "talk" to him as well when the brutal truth is that there is NO Jesus Christ, never was. Yet you'll read about all kinds of 'religious encounters' here. All religions contain about a .0003%  kernel of truth wrapped up in 97,894 layers of 99.9997% bullkrap.
You'd think an advanced projector would know that fact.

Moreover the writing skills of most people here seem to be at a 6th grade level, which would indicate to me that most posters lack the necessary sophistication to offer a valid opinion on such a profoundly deep topic as are OOBE's. While I understand that many of those who post here may not speak English as their primary language, the overall lack of quality exchanges seems to bear out the fact that most posters are inexperienced adolescents who suffer from childishly fertile imaginations coupled with the inability to separate truth from fantasy. An actual OOBE will hit you like a ton of bricks with such force that you could NEVER have any doubts about whether is was 'real' or not.

I myself only had ONE single OOBE in my entire life, yet it resulted absolutely life-changing and unequivocally real. You can read about it somewhere in the forums. My personal experience involved having 360 degree vision yet I have found NO ONE here talking about having had a similar experience. How can that be, if all these people are theoretically 'projecting'?

[sincerely thank]

First and foremost, I want to sincerely thank those (choice few, lol) who sent me a private message in response to my last thread (i.e. "Contemplating Suicide").  FYI: I'm much better now. Every few years since I can remember I go through this phase of negativity and depression only to come out again, thanks for your support and comments from the bottom of my heart!  

My question today is separation. My one and only AP (see : http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions/hi_to_all-t45217.0.html) consisted of a unique experience wherein I was simply a point of consciousness with no perceptible 'second body'. My current understanding is that most people undergo a different experience where they feel they still have a "physical" body while OBE'ing. I myself never knew that. So I have no idea what to expect as far as to how "real" that 'second body' actually feels. Is it exactly the same? Also, in MY personal experience I never underwent the process of separation itself consciously : I simply fell 'asleep' and then woke-up OOB. So I have no idea how to do it while 'awake'.

I find that I just DON"T GET the part about conscious separation! Specifically: how DO you go about "having the intent" to "stand up" or "roll over" without physically end-up doing so?  I mean, sometimes I'm in the deepest trance and think to myself, "This is IT! I've phased!" So I try to sit up or roll over but wind-up doing it physically and almost fall out of bed! Regardless of how asleep I might have thought I was, I always seem able to snap back awake instantaneously.

Thoughts/ suggestions?

I find myself giving suicide a lot of thought lately. Basically my situation is that I'm in my mid 50's, unemployable and in a loveless relationship. I also feel like my country (the USA) has completely lost its moral compass and that everyone around me is basically morally bonkers. I mean, legalized torture, really? Drone bombing kids as they play soccer on a beach somewhere 7422 miles away from here for no good reason? Bailing out criminally corrupt corporations at public expense? Legalized financial fraud, legalized secret courts?  ..yet no one says anything. No one does nothing. I really don't like this new so-called 'reality' anymore. I haven't liked it for quite awhile already. This earthly experience is over-hyped in my opinion. Good doesn't necessarily triumph over evil ..if ever! Plus I really feel like I've outlived my usefulness and potential. The only thing holding me back from actually acting on my thoughts are some comments made by much-respected thinkers like Tom Campbell who suggest that ultimately suicide is just a temporary escape and that ultimately in the next life we'll be forced to pick-up where we quit, so to speak.

Hi Paul!

All I wanted to say is keep at it! OBE's are not a figment of the imagination nor just some popular urban myth. I'm saying that because I realize that after a certain amount of time passes and nothing seems to happen one may start having doubts. OBE's are real my friend and when you have yours you will find it to be life-changing! Keep practicing just remember that the key lies in not trying too hard. Check out Xanath's guide to OBE's, particularly insofar to the parts where he quotes Kepplers' recommendtions regarding the act of "noticing".

Best regards.

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Hi Aaron!

I believe no one can really respond to your question with absolute certainty. I've always pondered the same thing myself, as I'm sure we all most probably have at one point or another. Sadly, my current personal view is that we will never see our friends, relatives and/or even pets ever again for "real" (i.e. them for themselves as opposed to projections of our own minds). I'd absolutely L O V E to be wrong about that one my friend ..but objective thinking plus gut feeling finds it highly improbable. However, on the upside, I believe that ultimately our individual consciousness's will all eventually expand to a point where we will understand the unity of all things. Hence, nothing is ever really 'lost' because all is one. Even when there is a permanent loss in certain aspects.

Both the physical and the non-physical are loaded with paradoxes!


Best regards.

That didn't take you long to get back to Astral Projecting hahaha! good job

Lol. Thanks for that, but I really don't feel that the Void condition constitutes an actual AP. I think of it more as a doorway or threshold from where to launch an AP.

Best regards.

[Is THAT the famous Void?]

If I relax, clear my thoughts and then close my eyes in a dark environment I quickly begin to faintly 'see' what appears to be billions of clustered little points of light slowly swirling against a dark backdrop. If I remain calmly observing the points of light they become progressively more in focus and brighter while the backdrop seems to darken to almost pitch black. It almost seems as if I were looking at the stars in the sky on a really, really dark night somewhere out in the boondocks far away from most light pollution. I'm sure most of you have had the fortune to see such a beautiful night sky sometime in your lives, especially if you ever lived in rural areas. Anyhow, when I try to have an OBE there comes a point where this visual suddenly becomes 3 dimensional and now instead of looking at the stars from a frontal position I'm seemingly surrounded by them everywhere as if I was a point of consciousness 'floating' in space or something. Sometimes these 'stars' start flashing past me as if I were on the bridge of the Starship Enterprise when Scotty gets the order to hit Warp 2. (Just thought I'd throw the Trekkie reference in for my fellow old-timers .) I also have what I guess I would describe as being a heightened sense of awareness during the experience, even though I'm usually not 'thinking' of anything in particular at the time. I'd call it a general sharpness-of-mind kinda sensation.

I find that this state has an extremely calming effect, however the heightened awareness takes a constant effort to maintain. The focus requires continual attention. I use the Monroe technique of willing myself AWARE! and that seems to give me a temporary boost for another few seconds, but then I lose it and quickly start to fade off into a dreamy sleepiness. I can never seem to maintain the level of heightened awareness for more than a few seconds at a time between bouts of fighting-off sleep and random vivid images that start popping into view as I drift off.

Is THAT the famous Void?

I wish AAA put out a ROADMAP of the Great Beyond. It would make things soooooo much easier!

Best regards.