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That's very funny - also funny cos we always X out those cursed pop-ups!! Very funny cos a friend of mine has just fixed my computer from some add-on that had somehow defeated AdBlock and it made this site nearly impossible to come to due to ads and pop-ups and re-directs. Thankfully he has sorted it out. Luckily he has a sixth sense (his words) for finding this kind of thing and rooting it out!

Perhaps our subconscious likes to tease and play games when our conscious wants to just say 'hello'.

I am starting to record my dreams into my phone when I wake up. They are coming thick and fast these days, and seem to have a bit more depth and colour, with more specific conversations. Like asking the groupie of the band I was watching where you are from and she says the little witch island in the corner of the field. And when the drummers lost their rhythm as I thought about it (I have a bit of thing with 2 handed drumming - a hang up perhaps) that should have been a DT! It's so deep how one gets tied up in the dream! Anyway - I know I will remember soon, I'm sure, and hopefully I'll be deep enough but conscious enough to ask for that lesson/experience/adventure!

Hey EV, thanks.
I had to chuckle to myself as I re-read my post and yours too, just out of a little sense of joy. It's a kind of substantial baby step, to keep the appetite whetted! It was pretty cool! Well for me, at this time.
I intend to keep the intention, and literally, practice patience. It seems that for some it is just the way of things that there may be nothing for a while. So I'm doin' ok!

It seems to be quite a trick - to get the proficiency to observe these phenomena without - in my case - getting a bit excited! 

Remember... in the end... YOU ARE NOT YOUR BODY.  Once a critical mass of people on this planet understand this concept, you'll begin to see massive changes occur in how we treat each other. 
Until then, you can only change yourself.

That's really why I'm here! And why we're all here - on this forum - on this planet!

I'd just like to pick up some points from above - while we are discussing the group/societal dynamic. Police should hold up the law to a high standard in a society governed by the rule of law, but at the same time offered the protection of the law whilst carrying out their duty. Blatant disregard should be dealt with. There's a lot of recriminations here in the UK over bad decisions made by the police in historical cases of all sorts, and some of it is being dealt with. I think we nearly have a good balance - but then that is my perception. Basically, they have a lot of lee-way, but must always keep in mind that they may have to answer for excessive force etc. It's taken years and processes, and it continues.

And on the issue of it being totally racial - there are plenty of disenfranchised white people in the world esp. US & UK as I said above. Here the white working class/on benefits kids get called chav's (I think it was a Roma gypsy word for kid!) and they all get a very hard time. As groups we also have group karma I believe, and we need to work that out with each other. Head towards something like truth and reconciliation and grow and move on.

I didn't expect such a discussion to come up on a forum like this but I'm glad it can do, and see it treated with some wisdom. I must admit, at first my knee-jerk reaction (when the incident first happened) was one of yet another black youth shot/mistreated by the white authorities, but it would seem the narrative was somewhat more nuanced. However, even if the protests are slightly misplaced, people are airing much deeper grievances which are still in need of much healing. We had a similar thing here in the UK when Mark Duggen was shot in North London, which lead to the nationwide riots starting in London and hitting all the major cities. It's a while since we'd had any 'race' riots. However, even though the initial protest may have had some justification (Mark Duggen was black and unarmed - but not exactly an 'angel' - meant in the colloquial sense!), the riots just turned into a looting free-for-all. I thought of them as 'pro-capitalist' or 'pro-consumerist' riots where a mass hysteria took hold and so many people saw it as an opportunity to grab TVs trainers and 'must-have' goods in general. They didn't know Mark and probably didn't really care, and it was all quite cynical.
The political issues of haves and have-nots still exists in the background, and the race aspect is, as I say, still in need of much healing, honesty and soul searching for all concerned. I suppose in the states many are disappointed that Obama didn't usher in a new era of racial harmony and equality. Certainly here in the UK I'd say that we are a less healthy society if people, be they black or white or anything, for whatever reason either don't have, or don't perceive they have, the same opportunities and feeling of living in a 'fair' society.
I suppose my point is - the rioting is out of order but the reasons (not excuses) behind it are real issues that need - well, healing.

Thanks Soarin12
I should imagine everyone is quite different, although funnily enough I gave up sugar in tea and coffee again a few months back, but my sweet tooth (particularly night driving) needs curbing again! If only for health reasons!

I have a small update on progress I'd like to share. The telling myself 'I'm dreaming' yielded a little result a few days back. I was having my second lighter sleep in the morning and in my dream I was reading a book, and for some reason the book seemed to be too outlandish (which is crazy as a fictional book could be as surreal or unbelievable as the writer wants), but anyway, I seemed to think that it was so ridiculous that it created a dream trigger and I just said 'I am dreaming' - and this was followed by a sensation I don't think I've ever experienced before - it was like a clean quick shuddering, similar in texture perhaps to velcro being pulled apart with a feeling akin to a cross between mild vertigo and a shiver down the spine, but nothing quite so physical. However, I was immediately aware of my position in bed, curled up with my eyes closed. I presume this could be a reverse of the vibrations and my astral body came back to the physical - any ideas? Obviously after that I was a tad disappointed I didn't get to take control, or actually find myself in a full conscious projection.
It's all good, I feel like I'm slowly breaking new ground already, so I'll just try to maintain focus, thoughts about AP and visualisations. I seem to be dreaming a LOT more since coming back to this though.
I suppose another thing is to not care too much and be 'easy' about it?

Welcome Practice! 

Sounds like you have a great start and actually may be almost there if you are hearing sounds and feeling presences in the room.  For myself, if I feel a presence in the room with me, projection comes immediately after.

Thanks for the welcomes
The slight buzzing was just after my 'first(!)' recent attempt. I was so chuffed (as there clearly wasn't a mozzy in the room, anyone who has had one of those know they bug you ALL night!) and that excitement of course totally brought me back to the physical. Those other phenomena I have experienced in the past, but not for a while. There seems to be something very curious about accessing subtle energy realms - you really can't try too hard. Sometimes gently asking and not expecting works, but then when you have received something (for instance, I've asked for a premonition before - and got one) but should you ask again, thinking you've cracked it - well, perhaps a little 'ego' may have crept in and you find it doesn't come to order. It's not a pizza after all! Oops!
Last time I tried, I was thinking a lot about APing, and so that would have helped, and perhaps I gave up just as I was getting closer?
And what about the lifestyle aspects.... I work nightshift (fairly long hours driving trucks), I drink coffee. I don't eat junk food hardly at all, but I still eat dairy foods and bread. And I think over recent years I've become more absorbed in the material realm. So, I think there may be work to do. That, of course, could just be an illusional mental block I'm applying to myself, so, paradoxically - I'm aware of that and so have every confidence it's totally possible to start building awareness and gaining success! Perhaps the dietary/lifestyle aspects are different for different people, for some it matters and others not so much. Anyway - now I'm going to look up more stuff about de-calcifying the pineal!

I realise the power of visualisation, as once when I was massaging my partner I decided to imagine a great light from the universe coursing through me to me fingertips and immediately she exclaimed 'I don't know what you're doing there but that's fantastic!' Although other times I've tried she hasn't said anything lol. Trying to hard? She got used to it?
She actually has a bit of skill with Reiki, and I think that's helped with her new found apparent mediumistic abilities.
It's quite funny, as when we met 19 years ago it was me with all the new age/spiritual ideas and she was a bit (not too much) sceptical!

Yes I noticed the link for Edgar Cayce, thanks. And also Tom Campbell, I hadn't come across him before. (Although he's not talking about projection per se).
It seems there are lots of ways in (or of gaining awareness). At the moment, as I say, I getting to sleep better, but I'm not quite yet knowing I'm in a dream. Every day while awake (or night as that's when I work) I keep asking myself if I'm dreaming - or telling myself I am, and trying to fly haha (when no-one is looking) and eventually that habit may stick. My friend Bob who can now see some auras has been setting the alarm at random times on his mobile (cellphone) and it says 'You are Dreaming' - these things obviously take time to sink into the subconscious!
I wanted to ask about the quality of the experience of projecting in comparison to the unconscious and the lucid dream state. My dreams vary in intensity, some are just vague hazy dreamlike images, some of the premonitions have been quite strong, and seem to have a 'slightly' different quality. I've not actually had a 'lucid' dream yet, but I imagine it's similar except one has conscious control. I've always imagined that projecting gives a far clearer and quite different experience to the dream-state - people talk of being 'hyper aware'?
I've seen some here say not to have expectations - and hopefully I'll discover this by my own experience - so these are perhaps questions that can't be answered so directly, and I'll have to practice patience. And search the site and read other peoples stories!
Just thought I'd throw it out there.
Thanks for the welcome

Hi Everyone -
I was tempted to post on another thread but actually here is probably the best place to start! I said old newbie - I'm not that old (early forties) but I've come back to giving projecting another go after perhaps a 15 and 25 year hiatus! My name is Jez and I live in the UK - I gave myself that moniker (Practice_Patience) as that's what I think I'll need to do!! I've had a few premonitions in dreams in my time, but never quite got to 'lucid' dreaming - so starting to try some techniques! I've had a few flying dreams and it's exactly as described in the literature, floating swooping and controlling, zooming up into space (edge of - limits of imagination?) - but the last few occasions I've done it I've been so convinced that this time I'm doing it in the physical reality that I remember saying to myself 'wow - I've done this in dreams, but look, I can do it in real life now!' - which, I suppose, is amusingly missing a real opportunity!
My gran gave me a book on self hypnosis about 25 years ago, and she had obviously managed to have an OOBE, but she told me it freaked her out so she went straight back to her body! She has alas since passed over now, and is surely much more comfortable with it now!
When I've attempted this in the past, I've certainly had phenomena like the bell clang, or my name being called, or feeling presences in the room that I think I've spoken to. It's all been a kind of twilight state of mind. Since trying again (I'm starting with the rope method) - the other day I got a high pitched buzzing in my ear, like a mosquito, and I was so excited I just came straight back to physical consciousness. Patience! Since then - nothing - although getting to sleep is much nicer now that I'm meditating when I go to bed! I know - not the best time to try. I work night shift and I've got kids - so it is a quiet time. I think when I come round about midday and kids are at school may be a better time to try! And I possibly need to 'de-calcify the pineal gland' - diet - lifestyle adjustments etc. A very good friend of mine has recently started to see aura's, and my fiancee (of 19 years lol) has found she has some mediumistic ability, so it just feels like a portal is opening again. (Don't worry - it's not like I'm in competition haha, just a good vibe on subtle energy investigations).
I will search through the forum and do quite a bit more reading - it'd be lovely if any want to share their thoughts on where I'm at - at this early stage - and if not let me just say a warm HELLO!

Love & Light, Jez