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Ok so I havnt posted much around here bc well there hasnt been much for me to discuss...but THIS WAS EPIC!! I met my spirit guide...went to the "moon" and spoke to a deceased person and MORE...I estimate I was out for 45 mins to an hour!!

Anyway I started a new meditation pratcice which I think may be relevant to this experience so I will mention that I have been mindfulness meditation for a month twice a day fo r 20-40 mins . Times vary depending on circumstances. I plan on continuing this practice as within 3 days I have found myslef to be 20x better in every aspect of my life. As a side note my GF started as well...shes not very spiritual but she sais she has weird experiences everytime...like pressure on the center of her forhead, humming sounds and visions. I think she may be a natural channeler to be honest. Two nights ago she experienced what felt like she was being sucked into a bright light. She said that is was "inward" which I thought was interesting. She has expressed interest recently that she would like to get OOB and i dont think it will take much effort for her seeing as she seems to be having experiences you only here long term meditators happening.

Anyway I have always *known* theres something MORE to this existence that western thought seems to only value. I have had strange unexplained events all my life. So anyhow I decided to begin a re-emergence into studying the occult just before I began with my meditation. This was all sparked by an experience with a spirit in my house one night at about three AM when I was working on a project. I wont go into to much details about metaphysical events in my life because quite frankly I can almost feel people rolling there eyes as they read this. Well honestly I used to be excited about sharing my experiences with people but I have learned that most people will not believe any of it. Which is fine I dont blame them because alot of it is truly fantastic.

So I began having sleep paralysis and a few spontaneous OOBS after I had a streak of psychedelic over-indulgence in my teens. One bad trip led to some psychological issues which seemed to spill over into the spiritual for me. I feel that the deep trauma caused some sort of astral scarring or "damage". I started having close encounters with some seeminly malevelant entities while in SP. I found that the only thing I can do is NOT sleep on my back because these occurences made me start to doubt my sanity.

Anyway, this meditation has really calmed me down and I recently conciously have been sleeping on my back, or trying to rather....and guess what? I havnt had any significant events UNTIL last night. A made a sigil a week ago which the intent was "I am astral projecting without fear". I REALLY think the sigil worked!!! Also Ive been trying to meditate on my spirit guide...just to see if there was anything to it..and well...OH just read on!!

So last night I was on youtube watching interviews with OOBers and honestly have been hoping it would happen soon but not holding my breath. I end up trying to sleep on my back but got tired and shifted on my side. I immediatly found myself in a room with a strange shady character. There was something more lucid about this dream but I couldnt really pinpoint it. This character was somehow more REAL than other drream characters Ive encountered. I realized it was in my mothers home. I knew it was but it was somehow different. This character said "are you ready to do the ritual"? I said "sure". Apparently he was over to do some magick ritual with me. We began to have some casual converstation but for some reason he kept interpreting what I was saying as insults to him... but I wasnt being rude at all. All of a sudden he grabbed me and through me up against the wall by my neck and threatened me!! Letting me know "whos boss" although I dont rememeber the diologue.... He had bad skin..looked bumpy and irritated...he was tall and lanky...kinda sleazy looking and had a leather jacket on... his girlfriend was aorund there somewhere too but was neutral to the situation. All of a sudden I find that the whole "scene" started over ....giving me a second chance or something. We went through the same thing except I somehow tried to get through it tactfully .....again I found myself pinned to the ground and he was cutting through my clothing with a blade of some sort...it was rather disturbing BUT

Now Im in my body for a split second in real time....I start vibrating from my core....an ethereal vibration...Ive never felt it like this!!! ITS HAPPENING!!...I feel my feet lift up and like a pancake Im peeled up off the bed...everythings dark....I command "Give me lucidity" Now I can see!!! Im above a city ...i dont recognise where i am but Im definitely out of body and above the ground!! I get excited!! I go to the ground and notice HOW FRICKIN STRETCHY AND WEIRD THIS BODY IS...Ive never felt it like this....I was doing alot of strange acrobatics through the structures and building for a bit here...and my feet seemed to often land first and then my torso and head would snap back to the rest of me from right behind...a very ODD sensation indeed!!

(NOTE- Im wondering if the universe "blacked out" the part where i was in my bedroom because that was SUCH a HUGE fear of mine...I seem to encounter these entities here and I had this phobia of this part of APing)

Now Im walking around an EXTREMELY populated place....it reminded me of china town ..a subway system/train station etc. But there where little "spaces" everywhere were people were doing "their thing" what ever their desires....it was busy like a market or bazaar! Hoenstly this was reminding me of an 80s comedy movie where they portray the afterlife. There were conversations and people just socializing everywhere!! I see a girl through all the people traffic and she sais "hey, there you are" She was smiling...and i walk towards her ...she was really cute so I made a very crude sexual advance, which seemed to offend her...I realized there were beautiful women everywhere so I tried again with another...she was also offended but I realized hell...theres so much to explore Im going to move on and do something else...  So I go in some strange rooms ...some of them where gross and CREEPY...I ended up in a room...looked like a rusty dirty old locker or bathroom with tile everywhere...there appeared to be body fluids and other really unapealing filth on the walls and floor.. This guy ..he looked like he was disturbed....he looked like the typical overweight middle aged scumbag trailer park loser...I see him from behind and hes having sex with someone or something....I walk around to see the front of him and hes having sex with an asian woman with her limbs chopped of...it was VERY disturbing so I move along ....I end up in some place with another freak who tries to MOLEST ME....he grabs at me and I get away....Then he tries to shoot me with some weird projectile weapon....the projectiles dont hurt or anything...he was just trying to be threatening.....this astral "material" has a strange appearence...like ist made out of "dreamstuff".

(NOTE..Some of these things may be out of sequence because my memory has gotten patchy since last night)

Ok so now I think "I want to go to the moon" ...there seemed to be a delay...and I remember wondering why it wasnt working....all of a sudden i hear a voice....a friendly..cocky ..but helpful and kind voice...he sais something like "all right GET REEEEEADY!!!" I find myself WARPING....Im in some dark tunnel and my body is stretching again...I feel the sensation of high speed movement!!! And I see rings of "energy" around me..zooming past!! I arrive at the moon....and it too was populated!!!

(NOTE- I DONT think this was real time obviously....but how much of this was real and how much did i "invent")

So Im on the moon...and it was more like an amusement place...lots of people and alot going on! Im walking and this guy whos voice Ive only heard shouts to me and waves from about thirty feet away.. hes smiling and walking in the same direction as me...I notice hes not very tall...dressed very casually in jeans and t shirt....he puts his arms in the air and says "how do you like all of it?" I tell him " THANKS this is amazing!!!" I realize that this MUST be my spirit guide....I hear him sort of interjecting his voice whenever he felt like he needed to let me know something ...like "UHH UHH!! YOu might not want to do that just yet!"...I remember going back through the warp and now Im finding myself back on "earth" I suppose....and I think "I want to see someone I know who has passed over"...I find myself in some sort of social club/bar..theres some people standing around the table...and this young fellow walks up ..he makes I contact and sais "Oh whats going on man?" Not excited to see me but not unhappy...just sort of neutral... I got sad and said to him...."YOU!!! youve passd over!? " He sais "Yeah well..." (He said something about his mother in a sort of dissapointed tone) ...this kid I havnt thought about in a decade at least!!  He was this realy troubled youngster in my neighborhood. He hung out and did drugs in my apartment complex. His father was a scumbag drug addict criminal. His mother was alone and had mental problems. This youngster stole my bike...Im not mad anymore but I was at the time....I dont have confirmation if he passed away but I sure would like  to find out. Unfortunatly I dont know what strings to pull to find out because I have long since moved away from the area.. This guy really did me wrong but Im over it and it was sad to see of he really did lose his life....Im honestly not surprised if he did. One other thing to note is that in the astral he seemed to have the same attitude you would expect from him in real life...only slightly less arrogant.

So everything goes black and I pop back in my body. Thats that! I sit shocked and in awe for about an hour ...trying to research what I had just gone through...it was amazing...and I hoipe to go back soon!

Im STILL in disbelief ...Im STILL trying to process this uncanny and amazing experience!!! Im IN SHOCK and AWE...and I almost dont believe it really happened! I must have another experience like this!!!


Can any experienced projectors help me with the following-

Was that my spirit guide?? My gut tells me so but who knows??? Will the same person continue to appear to me if he is my spirit guide??

Peoples faces look almost gooey or maulaable....there bodies sort of look like that too....like the "flesh" was sort of easily "physically" manipulated. Anyone else notice this?

Why was the moon ...not the moon at all??? Unless I was on the moon and not in real time? It was very strange but it didnt seem to be much different than the populated place I was in initially in my travel.

Can someone help identify where i was? If this was a place I invented or have others described similar places?

Is the population a mix of "ivented" spirits...spirits inbetween incarnations and dreamers/astral travellers?

Why is the stuff that everything is made of seem so similar to what one might find in dreams?

Where those morbid people/places...troubled souls or ghosts that had strange obsessions when they where living? This is the impression I got....they developed some problems while alive and sort of got stuck in their sick ways in this realm.

Why are words, letters, numbers so WEIRD...they move around and look like they are swimming in alphabet soup...but they also look like unrecognizable glyphs at times too! Is this some sort of universal law to prevent people from accessing certain info??

One night in my teens I was sleeping next to my GF and I found myself paralyzed in my bed. I felt the "intruder"...and an immense feeling of being naked and vulnerable. Its a pretty nasty feeling Im sure many of you have experienced it. Next thing I know I feel myself float and glide off of my bed at an awkward angle.... moving to the right and downward simultaneously all of a sudden I hit the ground and snap back in my body and wake up in severe panic. As soon as I snapped back I notice the light switch on in my room! My GF wakes up in terror as well. She tells me there was something in the room and shes terrified. We both remember shutting off the light before going to sleep that night but I cant be 100%.. I will never know exactly what happened that night in regards to the light switch. But I DO remember being absolutely convinced at the time that the light switch was off. It was nearly 15 years ago so my memory has faded considerably. But I would like to know if anyone else had electronic occurrences like this before? I.E. things switching on or off, not limited to lights but also toys, appliances etc.

Thank you Raymond....this was a spontaneous occurance.....all others have been lower level SP/ floating in my room out of control etc...

Hey thanks to both of you guys for the advice and info....Im curious if both of you feel theres some sort of universal laws that one becomes aware of after Aping for awhile.....intuitively I have had several spiritual beliefs that seem  to have just "come to me" one is that imagination/creativity IS GOD....that we are just simply manifestations of this... and that all realities EVEN atheism are pieces to the puzzle...that the astral plane is simply molded after all thoughts by all living creatures everywhere. This seems like its a bit to precise and personal belief to be replicated by someone else....last night I stumbled upon some information that was highlighting my spiritual beliefs to a T..and I have never heard anyone describe this as a possible scenario....and guess what? This came to other astral travelers as a universal truth... I just thought that was interesting. Thanks again for the info I will check the links you poseted now!


EDIT By the way Id like to add how embaressed I am for "scientific" assumptions for what these vibrations that Im experiencing are...it seems that others have written in to MD websites about experiences that sound similar to mine and I have found that they seem to explain it away as fibromyalgia and/or neurological problems...I rememeber when I first started experiencing some of this stuff in my teens . I rememeber being told that I was mentally ill for having sleep paralysis....I think that I belived it so I tried to suppress it even though at a gut level I knew in my heart that there was more to it.


I find it interesting that when science comes to a conclusion that their theories are NOT 100% accurate , that there are exceptions to their rules ...they simply ignore them and assume there MUST be a "logical" explanation. A good example is the way Einstein behaved when he discovered "spooky action at a distance". This is a wonderful example of how scientific dogma can really skew ones perspective out of fear of a severe paradigm shift. Einstein simply COULD NOT accept some of the findings in quantum physics. He was determined to find a "logical" explanation and would not accept the other possibility. I feel this is the same with much of the paranormal occurances...especially in relation to AP. When one APs and finds that many of the objects in the physical are different in the astral BUT EVEN FINDS ONE artifact that he is able to confirm on the physical ...THAT IS ENOUGH for us to assume that there is something to this and it makes it all the more interesting that way....confusing but interesting. If one is able to make even A FEW predictions far beyond chance while out of body it simply is enough to warrant further investigation into the "paranormal". Just my opinion.

Im swimming in the air, the sky is radiating a beautiful violet color, golden onion dome shaped towers made of gold stand before me...Im am feeling absolute bliss "swimming" in the sky. The atmosphere had both elements of water and air...it was like a dry water if that made sense...thick like water dry like the air...some may call it flying but I was "swimming" in it...I noticed the beautiful golden structure looked quite a bit like Taj Majal. It looked important, sacred even...

This is what I experienced on one of my few full blown astral projections. All of the astral projections I have had were involuntary but this was the most interesting. The only thing I recall is "falling through my bed" and enjoying this glorious freefall through space I was experiencing....next thing I know I find my self in the place I described above....by some strange chance has anyone been to a similarly described place....it just felt like such a REAL place.

Hi all! Im excited to be a part of this community, as I have had many of strange experiences throughout my life and astral projection has been some of the most profound. Lately I have been having some very strange coincidences and experiences that eventually led to some strange dream/astral experiences so I decided its time I take this wild bull by the horns and figure out how to tame it and possibly utilize it for my benefit.

I don't know if there are many others like me here but I have had the issue of being FORCED into SP and AP if I sleep on my back. Basically I have avoided this since I started having these freaky experiences in my teens. Sometimes I still end up in SP leading to strange and often frightening experiences. Are there any others here that are plagued/blessed with this?

The reason I have yet to experiment with this is a lingering fear of the unknown. I cant seem to completely shake this. I really want to project but that time frame un which you find yourself paralyzed scares me...I always feel as though theres something there with me and I just feel vulnerable. Anyway I decided the last few nights that I was going to start working through this...I slept on my back about a week ago and experienced a sort of "mock" astral projection (Ill make a thread about it soon) in which I dreampt lucidly that I was projecting but it clearly wasn't the real deal. Either way it was a step in the right direction....

So a few nights ago I attempted to again sleep on my back....I found myself starting to get the vivid imagry and a some pressure on my forehead....a few mins later it felt as if the front of my skull was no longer there and there was a direct heat source applied to my "brain". I then saw a bright white light coming down from above on my mental screen..from the direction of my forhead. All these sensations began getting TOO intense and the fear of a premature kundalini awakening entered my mind, so I said "that's enough for tonight, baby steps"...I then turned on my side and fell asleep like normal. Although I had some vivid dreams that night. (Intuitively I felt like it was my third eye activaying/opening and it was getting to be too intense)

So another thing that I have always seemed to experience which seems pretty paranormal is vibrations. Im not talking about the ones when youre in an altered state/sleep paralysis. Instead Im referring to these mild buzzing or vibrations in various parts of my body. Sometimes my lips , my legs, etc. Its very gentle ..almost as if a bumble bee is caught inside...but intuitivey they DO NOT feel like a physical affliction. They feel like an ethereal vibration to me. These occur often and have been occurring whether I experience any anomalous dream occurances or not. They happen in awake normal conciosuness when Im tired and lying in bed but not in hypnogic ...When Im in hypnogogic the REAL vibrations occur and those are clearly more disturbing. Anyway these mild ones often feel like tiny ongoing earthquakes. I can even feel the bed subtly vibrating. Ive even had other people that shared the bed with me agree that they have felt these vibrations coming from me. Ive kept this basically to myself for over a decade...UNTIL NOW. Because I never really related it to any astral phenomena until I started really thinking about it and trying to research the web. Does anyone have experience with this anomaly?

And my final question is I know that astral projection can be very entertaining and even add spiritual depth to the human experience but is there any benefits you recieve in the physical? Perhaps something along the lines of how a daily meditation practice can reduce negative emotions and improve concentration and mental clarity? Does AP help with anything like that? ALSO Do you get better at viewing REAL physical events or are they always a crap shoot. In other words does years of training and experience help you stay in Real Time Zone longer viewing real things in real time? Like any other activity your focus and clarity increases with practice , doe it in this way with AP?

Thanks for taking the time to read my intro and hopefully answer a few of my questions to help begin my journey!

First of all greetings to everyone I posted a brief intro in the meditation section with a few questions and decided I might as well say hello here as well.

Ive been APing since my teens but I have gone through short periods were I was actively interested and then most of the time I avoid it...but even now when Im more interested in it Im quite frightened by the whole SP part and the negative entities....if I could just get passed that fear of the unknown....

anyway I cant sleep on my back...if I do I will inevitably go into sleep paralysis... but now Ive decided to actively turn this into a positive experience and consider this a blessing. So here I am on these forums ready to connect with you people about this amazing phenomena.

I have one question for you guys. Do any of you experience an earthquake like sensation and/or vibrations or buzzing in random parts of you anatomy when NOT in the altered sleep paralysis state ...for example when first getting into bed and quieting your mind. I have actually had people that have shared my bed with me tell me they can feel me vibrating. I think this is interesting and my intuition tells me it has something to do with the astral body but when looking this up online the medical explanation is things such as neurological disorders and fibromyalgia ? But this just seems way off to me...anyone else experience this?

Ha Im jealous I just posted a thread asking the exact opposite! I WANT to reach the visionary state! I rarely reach that in meditations for some reason...I would consider it a blessing that it comes so easily to you!

Hello to everyone in this fine community. Ive been a lurker for a little while now. You see, Ive had "spiritual" experiences throughout my life, everything from seeing entities as a child, to profound psychedelic transcendence to magickal occurances and quite possibly the one that takes the cake is all the strange experiences with the astral. Im sure that I will get a chance to go into my experiences throughout my use of these forums but in all honesty I could write a novel so I will try and keep this short and sweet.

So I have some important questions about meditation. What I would like to achieve with meditation is the ability to transcend normal waking consciousness to an altered state at will. I ave attempted meditational practice before but was quite loose about it in the past and pretty much gave up due to not receiving profound results...I guess I was expecting miracles...now I realize that the miracles that mediation produce can be subtle currents that ripple out through your life causing amazing results...

You see, I have had some crazy experiences in the last month that threw my life off balance so I decided to give meditation another shot and this time Im commited to doing a simple breath watching meditation for thirty mins a ..twice a day...its been almost two weeks now and im seeing the effects of this practice in all aspects of my life ...making me generally a better person in all ways.. but heres my issue; last week only after a few days of meditation I reached DEEP altered states which I could only describe as a drug-like effect... I had profound visions of lakes , forests and people walking in a city...I mean these images were as if someone turned a TV set on inside of my head... and my body felt light and euphoric. This profound state was reached a few days in a row but since then I was unable to reach this state...and my meditations have been a bit more bland since then....I cant seem to figure out why this is as Im not doing anything different .

So my question(s) to expert or experienced meditators is this; Is there a particular meditation you can point me to that focus' on reaching altered states while still getting the other benefits of say mindfulness meditation? If not how long on average does it take to get to a level in which one is able to reach an altered state at will? I understand that every dog has his days and that theres shall be times in which one may not be focused but I imagine with regular practice these days become fewer and fewer. 

Thanks in advance and I look forward to connecting with other astral travelers here in the near future!