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Hi everyboody

I'll try to practice this week.

I don't know. I suppose f10 and f12 are different for everyone.

I think i didn't reach F12 because i'm having problems to project, or do phasing, etc in the last months.

The last year i was getting used to practice all days after 6 hours of sleep and i started to have progress. (with indirect methods, i couldn't enter to f21 or f12 from a awake state) But now, nothing. Also, i think i didn't reach focus 12 because altough i feel floating in the darkness i don't see any hipnagogic images, or color, etc (i've always read that they're the signal of focus 12).

It's hard to observe what's going on without thinking, getting scared, having thoughts, etc.

Thank you for your answers, and i'll be practicing a lot 

Greetings

PD: Yes, there is an outreach TMI trainer. I sent an email, but, i think i can do it by myself. I need more practice and awareness

Let's start with how you're defining F10 and F12 for yourself.

You say you can easily hit Focus 10.  So let's just move onto Focus 12 for now... what are you expecting the difference between Focus 10 and 12 is? 

You give me what you think the difference for yourself will be... and I'll tell you after how *I* perceive the difference, because in the end, everyone can perceive it differently. 

Hi

Well, when i use the f10 tapes, or when i try to meditate listening binaural beats, or simply when i lying in bed sometimes i feel the f10 sensation. I read and they're the usual sensations. I feel that i'm floating in the darkness. Sometimes i don't feel the body at all, sometimes i feel it.

Sometimes i can't reach this state.

Focus 12.. i can't reach it i can't say how is it  . But i think is the next state to phase and do an OBE.

I don't know why is easy to me to achieve focus 10 but i can't reach f12..

I think it may be that in the day i'm tired and when i try to do the exercises i can't stop my inner dialog. When i try to do the focus i can't stop talking to myself, and, because of that, i can't phase into the non physical.

Perhaps, besides doing the focus exercises i should practice meditation, maybe that should be useful to train my concentration to do the focus.

PD: I used to practice in the bed, now im practicing in a sofa. (to don't fall asleep so easily)

Sory for my english

Greetings!

[really]

Hello again

Yeah TMI can seem expensive but they don't make a whole lot from it in reality.

No doubt about that, but, if you are from Argentina, the TMI is really expensive.

In regard to your focus 12 questions - Maybe you are jumping ahead if you are feeling it goes too quickly. Perhaps spend more time feeling your way around focus 10.

What did you mean with this ?
That perhaps spend more time in the f10 feeling the sensations would be useful ?

My recommendation will inevitably be biased towards hemi-sync but just shop around and see what works best for you. If you have the first 3 waves I would stick with that personally...but that's just one mans opinion

Yeah, i like the waves.

I've never achieved the wave 1 track 5.

And then, in the wave 2 you have to go from focus 10 to focus 12 in... 2 minutes ? If i can't do it in my bed in 20 minutes i won't do it in that tape!! i tried a lot of times.

You don't need any Dream, Don Juan nor Monroe. Don't avoid the material world.

Use your brain. WRITE what you're thinking. Then, read that, and write again.

Wait one day. Read that, and write again.

Etc...

That will help you to think better. Do what you like!

Hi

Sory if i posted a link with copyright infringement.

I have the wave 1, and the wave 2 and 3.

I know how BB works. Thank you for the information, it is very useful. I think J Thompson have audios with Gamma, Epsilon, etc. I don't know with what he did them, maybe you know. I'll search about SAM tones, but i think that is a bit advanced for me, if i can't reach easiliy f12, f21, and OBEs.

Good! The TMI. In the future, i wanna go. The problem is that to go from here to TMI is very expensive (and in dolars for us, the courses are very expensive too!)

I didn't know about that frequency. Indeed, i trust more the Monroe's audios, and the JT audios.

What do you recommend? I think Theta audios may be useful.

About the other part of your thread I have to go to work now! later, i'll continue my reply.

Greetings

Jeffrey Thompson have very good BBeats. In Theta, Gamma, Hypergamma, Etc.

But, in this ocassion i wanna talk about helps to go from F10 to F12.

I don't like the F12 Monroe Audio. The transition from f10 to f12 is in 2 minutes  . I think that audio may be good for my purpose. I don't know if it's good, but the creator of that thread created that audio.

Greetings.

Hi.

Thank you for your answer

It is supposed that iso tones, binaural beats are good to produce effects on the patterns of neural impulses.

That's the reason they're used to practice focus and these kind of exercises.

Greetings

I don't like the F12 Monroe's audio. Is like going from f10 to f12 in ... 2 minutes. I'd like to try with this audio.

Hi

The audios are here

http://focus-4.es.tl/DO-IT-BY-YOURSELF.htm

I'm talking about the edited version. I hope there isn't problem about posting external links.

Greetings

Hi

I've read a web with a Frank K explanation about phasing, etc.

And he talked about an audio. This audio is the focus 10 + 1 hour of isochronic tones. This is for entering to f12 and try to move to focus 21.

Do you know what im talking about? I couldn't download this.

Thank you all

Greetings

Hi

I'm trying to improve in my monroe exercises, to understand better the concept of phasing. And to improve my chances to enter F12, F21, etc in a awake way.

I'm a bit stuck with the exercise 5 of the wave 1. have someone done this exercise? I dont know if i should continue without succeeding with this one.

Without the binaurals, yesterday i started  but it ended in the vibrations  .

Greetings!

[Essentially, you need to find a focus which works best for you.]

Give this a read:
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2015/01/21/design-effective-astral-projection-technique/

Essentially, you need to find a focus which works best for you.
Most people whose first language is English still get this stuff mostly wrong. 

Yes, it's a similar concept to "phasing". 

Thank you for your answer

Ok, i suppose that a mantra for example is something useful for focus on, for example.

Something that's bothering me is my inner dialog. I think a lot about things, and i think that distracts me. This thing of focussing may help me.

I'll review my definition of phasing.

Gretings.

[Pick something else that can more easily entertain your focus to focus on.]

You're losing your focus.  Pick something else that can more easily entertain your focus to focus on.
Instead of trying to "leave" your body... why not try to consider it as a shifting of your perspective to somewhere else?

Hi

Thank you for your reply, but because of my bad english it's not easy to me to understand this kind of concepts.

What do you mean with this?

Pick something else that can more easily entertain your focus to focus on.

And what do you mean with this?

why not try to consider it as a shifting of your perspective to somewhere else?

Is that similar to the concept of "phasing" ?

I've read, for example, Robert Monroe's books in english, but because of that, there are a lot of words and concepts that i don't understand at 100%

Greetings.

Ok thank you.

Something that sometimes happens is that im in the focus 10 and then i start thinking about something and after that other thing, and other thing, and then i fall asleep, i think the mantra may be useful.

The good thing if that im reaching to leaving my body, the bad thing is that i can't leave it haha.
I'll keep trying

Greetings.

[State your intention (to project in your room) before you begin the process.]

Did you think the above ^ while in trance?  If so, don't do that because it will usually knock you right out of it.  State your intention (to project in your room) before you begin the process.  You can also state any intention you want after you are already 'out of body' and have spent some time grounding yourself in the NP reality.

Remember, while in trance you must maintain a soft meditative focus.  'Thinking' speeds your mind up and ruins it.  Use a mantra if you're having trouble slowing down your mind.  Keep practicing and you'll train yourself to ignore the strong sensations as well.  Fear or agitation due to them causes you to loose your focus, too, as I'm sure you well know. 

This was very interessting, i didn't think about that.
Do you recommend any mantra?
Greetings.
PD: Yeah i know that very well 

Again, today i did Focus 10

I started to leave my body , i wasn't 100% aware but i thought this is the time!

I didn't feel vibrations but i felt other strong sensations.

I thought "i want to proyect in my room" but the sensations were very strong and i woke up 

I had 3 of this "cuasi OoBES"

I'm a bit scared if this is going to be normal haha

Greetings!

Thank you for your replys!

Today i woke up at 5AM, i did focus 10 and i did it well, i entered to the trance and i didnt have fear.

I went to sleep, looking to the ceiling, and i felt asleep.

...

I saw something in the wall, and i realise i was standing. after that i started to leave my body (yes is strange, i realized that i was standing, but when i realized that i started to leave the body, but i feeled that)
But i wasn't 100% aware of that, when i started to leave the body i felt shocked, it wasn't fear, but i finished the leaving. This isn't the first time that this happen.

I'll keep trying

Greetings.

Phasing is when you have an OBE from a conscious state.  You never loose consciousness.  You go directly from 'here' to 'there'.  Your focus exercises are preparing you for that.  I personally don't think about different focus levels.  I just lie down and practice going into the trance that will take me into the non-physical realms.  I do this by focusing softly (this is called the 'noticing' technique) on the little spots of light or color moving behind my closed eyelids.  Sometimes I also use a manta to keep the thoughts away.  You'll feel the trance deepening, and when it is very deep and you no longer have awareness of your physical body or have very little awareness of your physical body, you can do the rope technique if you like.  I prefer the roll out technique or just stand up and go.  Climbing a rope was always very difficult for me in phys. ed. class, so I already have a sort of mental prejudice against it. lol   You want to go with something that seems easy to you -nothing you're going to have a mental block against.   

Thanks for the meaning of phasing.
Ok, sometimes i can go to the trance, don't feel the body, but when i try to move my energy/astral body/etc i move my physical body.
I've read about the patterns of light in the monroe books, but i've never seen it. The only way that i know to enter into the trance is relax and more relax, then sometimes i feel that im falling or flying and after that i feel very strange, or i don't feel the body.
Ok then what you do is enter into the trance, and then, when you are in the deep trance, you use a "escape" tecnique. Like the rope technique, or the roll out. Or feeling that you fly, etc. I've read about visualiztion techniques but they seem very complicated to me.
Don't know why, but when i started it was very easy to me to arrive to the "flying sensation" but i was very scared and couldn't continue. Now that i wanna continue, it's not easy to arrive to that sensation.
Funny thing: I tried a few times the roll out and i crash to the floor

Greetings!

The vibrations are not necessary.  They often do present themselves when you are a beginner at AP.  People who have more experience don't tend to experience them as much.  But there are no rules in any of this.  Some people may never experience them.  Some may always. 

If you experience just a hint of them, you may use your mind to increase them.  Just imagine them spreading through out your body and increasing in power.  When they feel like they are at full power, go ahead and separate from your body.

If you don't feel any, no worries.  Chances are you'll feel some kind of exit sign.  Almost always (unless I'm doing a visualization technique which tends not to have exit signs) my visual field changes to a kind of grainy dynamic movement and there's just a feeling of being 'on your way' somewhere.  When I first started there was a loud whooshing sound along with it.  But that isn't present anymore for me. 

When you get to the point of getting a distinct feeling you're in another room or place (you either see another place, hear a conversation taking place, or you just 'know' it) you can separate.

I recommend phasing after 6hrs. of sleep.  So if you go to bed at 10, phase at 4 am.  It's pretty easy to keep your mind awake with 6 hrs. of sleep behind you.  Your body will know it still needs more sleep, though, so MABA (mind awake body asleep) should be readily achievable. 

Good luck! 

Thank you for the reply! Yeah, i had one OBE (or the beggining, because i woke up very quickly without vibration, and then after the OBE the vibrattion appeared)
What is phasing? It's when i practice F10 and that sort of things isn't it?

Today i woke up at 5. 6 hours of sleep. I did f10, i relaxed my body but i couldnt enter into the "trance" of the f10. i think the binaurals were too low. I was very awake, but after the focus 10 i couldn't sleep more. Im very tired now  .

Do you recommend one technique like the robe technique or should i continue practising the focus exercises and nothing more?

Greetings.

Hi!

I've been trying to do AT, but i'm not succeding. I think it may be because i don't have a particular method.

I've had the "vibration" a couple of times, i've experimented the hipnagogic state, and i started two times an "OBE" but i couldn't continue.

I don't have a lot of time to practice, but i'd like to try and practice every day. Im thinking about waking me at 4AM/try the astral travel/sleep again

I've been trying the "monroe technique". What i do is this

1)Progressive relax
2)Focus 10 state or something similar

and here i can't have the vibration, they doesn't appear. Sometimes i fall asleep and then appear, but is a strange thing. I'd like to overcome this problem. Maybe i should do another "techinque" or try another form of reaching the OBE. I've read something about the "robe technique" but the vibration is necesary, am i right?

Thank you!

Greetings.

Thank you for the answers.
Yeah, sometimes i can write correctly, sometimes not  .
I'll post my doubts in the forum.
See ya!

Hi!
Sory if i'm not clear, english isn't my first language 
I've read a couple of books about astral travels (Robert Monroe, Castaneda, etc) and i've experienced a little. But i'd like to really learn to do astral travels.
I've had the "vibration" a couple of times, i've experimented the hipnagogic state, and i started two times an "OBE" but i couldn't continue.
I don't have a lot of time to practice, but i'd like to try and practice every day. Im thinking about waking me at 4AM/try the astral travel/sleep again.
The problem is that i don't have a "method" to achieve AT, the robert monroe method didnt work for me.
Currently i'm practicing the "advanced f10" from the binaural beats from R. Monroe, and i'm trying to advance in this. I have a lot of  problems with the "fear barrier", and with falling asleep.
I wont do questions because im sure there is a lot of information in the forum. But i do have one. There are basics things that are good for AT?
I mean energy exercises like yoga, chi kung, etc or food or things like that

Thank you all

Greetings.