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Good to know. But also, I do not know where to start with all this. What I kinda do is when I need to sleep is try and do the out of body thing. First relaxing and then concentrating on the breathing. But that's it, and I never got anywhere really. What I also notice is that I become to much aware and I then have this strange impulse that I have to swallow every now and then. But I think this breaks the concentration needed to project. It's really anoying. I don't have this when I lay on my side, my natural position when I sleep. Can I also project when laying like that? Or is it much much harder?

Hi,

I have a strong reason to suggest that I suffer from depression. Not the normal kind, I've always been like this. Gloomy, pessimist, ect. I worry alot about my life, if I will succeed in life, relations ect. So lets just asume I have it, I am always spectical when making diagnoses on myself, can it hinder my progress? And if so what can I do to get past this on a spiritual level?

Nobody knows it, or have noticed it I think. But that's because I've learned to live with it and perhaps hide it a little to well. I am known as the funny guy with the funny one-liners. Perhaps my friends will be very shocked to learn how I really think about myself and how I am doing in general life. I hope you understand.

Thanks you advance,

Jean (Sorry for the lame nickname btw. )

Edit: Owh, I just realised I could have looked this up myself, I'm sorry. Will use the search so I understand if nobody wants to reply.

now basically saying that you dont want to encounter evil spirits is the manifestation of anxiety.

I can't believe how spot on you are just now. I have to admit, it's something I want to get rid of. Around new people I am very reservered and I usually don't say a word when around new people. Perhaps I should just continue indeed for the sake of getting rid of this angst. Thanks.

Anyway, perhaps I'll just see what happens. So I'll continue trying. But I don't know if I am on the wrong track. I just do the breathing, just like meditation. Any advice and that part? Thank you in advance, as always.

You deal only in beliefs, so none of these words have meaning. I could have told you all the answers but information is dangerous in the wrong hands, so I was cautious and only gave hints, and that's all you'll get.

Ah, I understand. I forgot that you can't share everything what you learn. It's all individuality, no.
I didn't meant to offend you. I thank you for the hints/information.

AP for the believer takes courage, because you "might" be going against God or dabbling in evil powers. What if all our decisions were made out of irrational fear? Maybe that's why the world is as it is.

That makes me want to AP more.

It's not that I believe, but it's more the 'what if god was really telling us not to do this kinda thing because it would be dangerous' factor. Sounds silly, but you know. Demons, spirits. It's not very... comforting. Simply put, I don't know what to believe. But I didn't believed much anyway, so perhaps I just pray or something and curse less and see what happens when I try OBE. Hehe.

My friend I am not trying to change your beliefs but if you believe more in evil spirits I find it hard to believe that you dont believe in god. I think you just answered most of your questions about your fears. Based on the things you wrote here. You have higher beliefs in evil spirits than in god itself or lets even call it good spirits. Have you ever heard of laws of attraction? You usually attract what you believe in or what you think about. You also has a gift that everyone has and that is to make the right choice. If you feel that you are being deceived into something, then do what you think is right.   
One comment you made about astral being bad if there is god because we are not suppose to mess spirits. Well all I can say is you can interpret them in many ways. The same with all religion that interprets what the bible teaches and they have different beliefs. I grew up as a catholic, but i dont beleive in some of the stuff they teach. I beleive that god comes to us in many ways.I dont beleive that you will only be saved let say in what christianity believes that you have to be only a christian.
  My advice to you is before you practice any of this stuff. I think you need to find yourself and belive that there is more good in this world than bad. Just think of how you would want to be treated. Again this is just my opinion and if I do offend you I want to apologized in advance. Good luck to you.

Well, perhaps I was not clear. First of, I don't support any religion. The reason is because I find them to be false. For instance, christianity. Many believe in hel as in an eternal penalty. I believe that god, if he excists, it not loving if he would create such a place. Thus, many religions fail in my opinion. Also because I never 'felt' a presence that there might be more I kinda told myself I don't believe in anything. Bút I don't rule it out. Just like I don't rule out OBE, the Astral world and thus evil spirits. And if I would found out it's real, like say I would have OBE's, then I would not like to get surprised by evil excrement. Thus, I ask about it. It's not that I believe there would be evil spirits. But this all started when I got that weird thing I discribed two nights ago. It felt real, I remember it clear even now. It felt I got up, realised I got up but not in the flesh and in the exitement of thinking: "WTF, am I having a OBE?!" I smacked back. Then I tryed again, with the same result. After that I fell asleep.

And I know we all are just sharing expierences, believes and all that, so believe me I don't get offended. I respect everybody's input in this.

It was written by who exactly, and how do you know this? And how can you know the source who claims this is true, and not decieving anyone? If I was a spirit who wants to do wrong, I would say what you just told me. I mean, it's their nature to decieve so way no lie about that, letting people think it's all ok and then after a few years your screwed...

I hope I make sence.

Owh, I don't want to be a christian. I was raised a christian, never been one. I was kinda ranting back there, and well I was more afraid of the fact that IF there is something out there that I didn't crew things up spiritualy. I guess I am an agnostic person, since I don't rule out (a) god. Some threads here read about OBE and when 'waking' in the Astral one would find strange things in the room. Seriously, if that would happen I could never sleep. They were more worries then questions. Once I read about something that can be a ward or something for spirits? I'd like to be alone if I ever succeed (gonna keep trying again). But perhaps I'm to paranoïd to do this in the first place. Hehe.

I didn't try yesterday. I dreamt about some things. I forgot most again. Maybe I'm gonna try later, I did not get much sleep.

Still, even though I read alot. If there is some truth in the bible then the messege is clear: In Deuteronomium 18 it is sayed one should not mettle with the afair of spirits. And if god is real, then this means OBE is not his will. Verse 17 and 18 seem to be the most relevant here considering OBE and spirits.

12 anyone who practices divination,13 an omen reader,14 a soothsayer,15 a sorcerer,16 18:11 one who casts spells,17 one who conjures up spirits,18 a practitioner of the occult,19 or a necromancer.20 18:12 Whoever does these things is abhorrent to the Lord and because of these detestable things21 the Lord your God is about to drive them out22 from before you.

This is a large edit hehe, but you must agree with me with this. How can we know when a spirit is evil? Spirits can be, just like the bible says, look like good beings. They can fool us, trick us, and before you know it they control you. This is how I read about it, not that I think it is fact. But it should not be taken lightly for WHAT IF it is the truth. These are my concerns. I may not be a christian or anything else. But the 'what if' is to important for me.

Oke, first I need to say something about myself. First of, I don't like religion. Bhuddism is the only one I could except. The rest, to much chaos and non-logic. That begin said I still am very interested in religion, and also spiritualism. Alot of years ago I began reading about this stuff, and I trained a little. I was young and I thought it was 'cool' to do all kinds of things, while being aware, in dreams. I don't believe in god, or at least I don't ever noticed a god from within as from without. Evolution ect. I never éver got something spiritual. Still haven't.

But this OBE... It is real. I can't explain it. The last year a friend of mine, who also is a very non-religion kinda guy, told me he almost always knows what he is doing in dreams. So I said it was funny because I read about that. Lucid dreams. Het couldn't really make the dreams in what he wanted. But he is aware of it, and he can remember dreams quite well.

Right. So enough background. So I know you can at least be aware in dreams. (I am still very skeptic about the Astral, but open to it.) Last night I had an amazing experience, and it was not a dream because I almost always know what is a dream when I wake up. This was no dream. I was semi-awake and suddenly I felt I could move out of my body, I thought of OBE at once, and I tryed it. I got a little up and "woesh!" my vision was like in a jerking move and 'slammed' back on my back. I believe this was OBE, since I have had some back problems recently and that would have hurt alot if it was real. I thought in this state: "Wow, was this finally a real attempt at least?!" So I did it again, and the same happend. After that I fell asleep.

It was in my mind the whole day, I could not forget it. I am sure it was not a dream, for I would forget it. I almost always forget my dreams, even if I remember them when waking I forget them in a few days. I know, I should write them down. Believe I will now.

There is another thing that kinda... Well I can't shake it from me. What if I succeed in an OBE? There are other 'beings' out there right. Now I am ofcourse speaking in theory (for myself, some of you believe I know no disrespect) but that creeps me out. I don't want to see strange looking things. How can I protect myself? Or should I just, as soon as I can be able to, call a spirit guide? How to call upon such guides? I read that you could call upon god or jesus. But I don't believe in them. Not in the way modern religion does. God could excist, but anyway this is personal. I do curse once in a while... Perhaps I shouldn't but being a non-believer I just kinda do. What effect will this have? IF I pull of a OBE one day, will evil spirits get me?

I sound a little paranoïd. But I just don't like the idea of messing with evil spirits. (Do believe spirits could excist, just never had expierence with that.) Besides, even if I'm not a christian, in the bible does it not say to stay away from spirits alltogether?

Thanks for the info, I had no idea where to go, hope you people can help or something. Co's it freaked me out a little.