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im sorry my post was directed at skepticboy not you lighten though i did enjoy reading through your reply i must apologize for the hastiness in which my post was written as i see how i have aroused these counter debates. But nonetheless i love a good intellectual debate. ive found no one before you lighten has ever contested my dragon theory. i do agree however that dragons did not exist as no one has found any extremely credible evidence. and you dont sound mean lighten i appreciate your thoughts.

                                                                              Steele

in 10 minutes or so i will be sitting down, meditating and hopefully projecting. I have filled the room with 27 lit candles. ( number divisible by three and nine not sure why i chose this ) I plan to Stretch, lay down, relax, enter a trance, do deep breathing excersises then make an exit attempt.

         Oh and you dont have to reply to this this is pretty much a thing to help me with my attempt i will update my success/progress sometime tomorrow.

                                                          Steele

the falling technique is a big part of many trance meditations so you were right in thinking this as it is one of the most natural human feelings and is great fro dissasociating yourself from your conciousness.

                                                                                                    Steele

your english is actually better then some of my friends ( all born and raised in Canada ) anyways as for your attempts you are doing alot of things right but trial and error is something to work on. what i mean is you should try different methods. you are rushing yourself by saying you need to ap. slow down and relax. All The Best!

                                                                                 Steele

yeh cftraveller has alot of good points basically saying from this point where you are at you are where i was about two months ago. i had no idea what to do and i kept experimenting. basically when you get there i like to just do deep breathing and try to slip into the astral realm.

When i was younger i began to doubt christianity and the teachings of faith and whatever. naturally as a teenager i went to an extreme and began to call myself a satanist. im still unsure of my religous belief. i decided i dont really care. in these times i discovered meditation. i learned to enter trance state and then i joined a few forums and from there i found astral projection and its been part of me ever since.

i think if youre so skeptical than perhaps this isnt your place. i have been told many times that people who are interested in spiritual subjects such as astral projection possess the ability to do them. basically those who think spiritually will be drawn to spiritual practices. if you are drawn here by skepticism then i suggest you begin practicing astral projection and prove it for yourself. as a skeptic one can only sit back and denote the accounts of others. a skeptical practicer however will begin to see the light. simply because if you do not experience you cannot believe as easily. Besides how do you know that what we are all experiencing is real? what if you were to just wake up, go to the fridge then try to open it as your hand slips through?

                 Of course youve probably never had any type of experience. ive come very close to projecting. close enough to know that it exists. i can prove this using the dragon theory. about 15-30 seperate cultures all having no contact with each other at all. somehow all creaed pictures and stories of creatures called dragons. if you think about how amazing that is then it proves some sort of creature must have existed for 30 completely isolated societies to have stories about them. just like around 30 isolated societies long ago all practicing different religions have told of astral projections. Aztec Shamans left their body to predict things like droughts. The Druids practiced the trance state and work with project in their rituals. Buddhists, Hindu's and pretty much every religious culture has told of astral projection. i dont know how i can make this any clearer. take from it what you will.

                                                                                                                           Steele

it's usually best to find a comfortable position that you cant easily fall asleep in. you should try more like an hour or half an hour before you normally sleep so you have more time to practice. probably going to practice in about an hour (8:30 up here in canada). if youre just starting out you should do alot of trial and error. when i first started i wanted results as fast as possible and i screwed it up by being impatient. when you start attempting to project tell yourself to slow down, it helps with relaxation. i experience the swallowing urges too.  basically i just ignore it but i find if you try not to let too much saliva well up in your mouth it helps. good luck!

                                                                                                                                                                        Steele

sometimes my eyes flicker and others yeh i do get flashes off light and sometimes pulses through my entire body. basically i would say anything you wouldnt normally expect to happen like when your just walking around in the day to day. if things like that happen when trying to project that usual means you are progressing.

                                                                               Steele

that would be so great but its not in accordance with what ive heard ( the body swapping that is ) i mean if that were possible then it would make you open to possession when you project which would be terrible. however i love the astral vacation idea. send me a postcard once you get there!

                                              Steele

i myself prefer not to use the holosync or hemisync or whatever im an all natural projector. however i dont see why they should effect your depression however you should follow stookie's advice and consult your doctor

                                                                                                                       Steele

you dont need either they are pretty much just side effects not the actual cause. and youre better off to ignore these side effects and let the projection happen.

                                            Steele

last night i had some dialogue fromm an episode of family guy repeated in my head when trying to project. it was so incredibly random. im rather baffled.

                            Steele

if you find your fallling asleep then try to project an hour before. i usually go to bed around ten so i started my projection practice time around then but i was falling asleep then i started to try to project at nine and sometimes sooner. i find trial and error helps.

                                                                                                            Steele

i know what its like to be scared, to wake up and just think what if im not successful what will happen? im a very intelligient person (modesty has gone out the window lol) i might be a psychiatrist or something along those lines but i usually have good ideas about how to help my self. i guess i invent my own methods. but i find that screaming, just plain screaming whatever you want to scream helps just go do it sometime. that always helps me. and i keep a journal of all my thoughts. also i have lists of all the reasons i need to keep on living and all the things that make me happy. i think i understand where you are coming from and if anything yes you will progress! if our situations are anything the same then you might experience what i have.

        for a long time i havent been able to stick to something, this often depresses me. i learned how to hide it at an early age people would be astonished to know how i used to feel. depression for me was sometihng i got over by progressing in projecting and meditation. i dont know exactly how to describe it but when i try to project and i get closer i feel relaxed and euphoric. and dont be skeptical or second guess yourself. before i always looked at myself and just lost control. i felt like i would never be anything and i could never be successful but it turns out i am. i bet you will be successful, dont ever tell yourself that you cant progress. of course you can just keep trying. All The Best!

                                             Steele

this is random but i noticed it's the 21st where you are! here its the 20th! i dont know why i find that so cool but it is! lol

when i first started trying i could barely get any results but now it takes me in between 40 to 50 minutes for my body to be fully relaxed or asleep. dont worry you will get it just keep trying!

                                                                           Steele

oh yeh i get this alot iunno last night i came really close and i experienced this, try your hardest to ignore it and just accept it. it is pretty annoying at times
             
                                     Steele

i cant wait to hear about your experience

you are very welcome i wish you all the best!

i swear once upon waking i heard satan laughing. it turns out these voices are usually very random and often dont make sense at all but yeh its normal

                      Steele

usually anything out of the ordinary like that is usually a yes.

i read somewhere that when you project you can enter mirrors and portraits. i think mirrors would be helpful, theres something almost mystical about them...

                                     Steele

ill tell you that im glad you are asking these questions its good to get as many answers at first. illl tell that some of youre questions actually cannot be truthfully answered im basically referring to meeting people. as projecting is different for everyone you may find that ppl will say its impossible to do something and you may project and then do it. i think its good to keep an open mind

                                                                                                             Steele

i think it works better in the dark especially with darkness being all calm. light for me is more sporadic if thats how one spells that word. i can concentrate more in the dark.