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Can you expand a little, perhaps the name of some of these books or a quote of how they are used?

I think it is a bit reckless to say yes or no on the way really any act will affect spiritualility.  Growth is determined by intent not by doing.  I find when people have a strong feeling one or another on topics like this it says more about their beliefs and perceived relationship to that act than how it will affect you.

A huge part of spiritualility is reflecting on your acts and intents and coming to grips with the truth of how they affect you.  Then adjusting accordingly so they become more in harmony with your desired intents.  But no one can tell you how that procsss will go.   the path and destination are yours to find and the outcome applies only to you.

That sounds like a really good idea but whenever I'm daydreaming, I'm not really seeing anything, I'm mostly just zoned out or lost in my thoughts. Maybe It's it's because visualizing takes too much effort or it's some kind of a mechanism I have so I don't stop seeing what's in front of me as that could cause problems, but I only see things if I'm actively visualizing something or am very tired, maybe tiredness lowers my guard and allows me to let go of this. Also, maybe seeing isn't mandatory, if I could somehow become engaged in my thoughts or music.

So this is just my opinion which probably differs from many others here but I'm not on board with the if you close your eyes and imagine something you are projecting band wagon.  Day-dreaming the way most people day dream (the way you described above) is not phasing or projecting, in my view you are still in this reality frame (not phased) and simply thinking about somewhere else.  You can use that to phase, but it itself is not phasing, I don't think telling beginners if they close their eyes and imagine the room they are in they just successfully projected to the RTZ is helpful in anyway.

As for relaxing and position this is something I feel is unique to you and will probably be something that changes over time.  People tend to get confused with comfortable and relaxed.  They are related but not the same thing.  You want to be comfortable enough to be able to relax but not in a position if you fall asleep you will stay asleep for several hours.  You want a zone you can fall asleep in, but you will sleep lightly and naturally quickly wake up, this is a great zone for getting to know altered states and practicing in.  For some people this could be a recliner, for others a recliner might be too comfy and they can easily fall asleep for several hours.  Also you don't have to have head support, something like a meditation position (if you are able to relax enough in this position) or upright in a recliner might be good.  On your back on the ground in "corpse pose" for yoga, which is on your back with your hands at your sides and feet slightly spread apart might be a good option.  Again what position gives you this golden zone is likely to change over time, you might need to find ways to make it just a little more comfortable or have just a little more discomfort.

As for swallowing I have no idea when this became such a big thing, for the first 10 years I was into this I never heard or read anything about you needing to stop yourself from swallowing or it even being an issue.  Swallowing isn't the issue, you swallow thousands of time each day notice a fraction if any of them.  Putting attention on swallowing is the issue.  Just let yourself swallow naturally and don't think about it and it will have zero effect on your practice.  At some point this myth came about that "mind awake, body asleep" meant you had to not move a muscle by sheer force of will until you entered sleep paralysis.  Total bull, your heart is still going to beat, your digestive system is still going to do it's thing, everything that goes about it's business automatically throughout the day is still going to be active.  Your job is simply to just let it do it's thing and not put any attention on it.

Hey here is a little video I ran across, wonder what your all thoughts were.  It's a pretty standard conscious exit technique but with a few twists and explained pretty clearly.  I like the concept of feeling the ramp up time with creating a copy of your room "in the astral".  Reminds me of pieces of the doorway technique a little bit but with you making a copy of your room instead of creating a door.  It's about 8 minutes long.  One of the things I did not like at all was the it will work every time bull statement in there.


https://youtu.be/1qw_69q-v8Y

There will always be those that claim you can do what takes 40 years of dedication in just a couple weeks with a magic pill or formula.  I have wasted enough of my life chasing these, in my experience they don't exist ... how would one even put an objective stamp on something like enlightenment for a study anyways it isn't something you can simply measure and put in a chart.

Also why straight awake to obe success has such a link to meditation.  More advanced you are at meditation more quickly you can change your brain waves, and more control you have over them.

...or "hyperventilation" and a headache. That can also occur when messing around the natural rhythm of your breathing.

It's the new Wim Hoff obe method!

"Not doing" does not mean do nothing 

Research Ganzfeld effect.  Sounds to me like you replicated it naturally.  Very cool experience.

Reminds me of the Tao Te Ching and the principle of "not doing"

well this thread sure went south in a hurry

It's been a while but I believe Bob's "Higher Self" told him there were other units of itself already in existence while Bob was alive, I remember something about it telling him if he was to meet one it would be like meeting a distant relative.

Good to see you back posting.  The melting mirror thing you described reminded me of the matrix scene where Neo first leaves the Matrix.  Good luck with your continueing practice into phasing.  We just had a post discussing how difficult it can be.

What we can say is that any interaction with the non-physical we have is Phasing, yes.
But not EVERYTHING... "everything" is a little too all encompassing of a term. 

I agree with Lumaza too in which I'd include the word "conscious" in that shift.  Most definitely.
An example of an unconscious shift includes simply falling asleep at night.

Thanks for reply, I have a little view point on it.  Mainly I don't believe we ever are truly not conscious our consciousness is always somewhere even if we don't have memory at all.  So looking at it that way there is no shift without consciousness.  Also phasing is a two way street not just a to b but also b back to a, or even the original trip to a(a is here) from wherever we came from.  Within this picture phasing truly is everything.

It would be interesting also to look at the view that it isn't a one time thing such as we are at a and then phase to b but that we are constantly phasing to this reality all the time, and if we change streams we are constantly phasing to that reality.

*ALL* projection is phasing.

I know some people will read that above statement and shake their head thinking I'm a nut job... but it's the truth.  
It's all simply a shift from "here" to "there"... all the extra stuff that people report with projecting is extraneous.
What's worse is that some people focus so exclusively on the extraneous stuff that that focus is actually the source of their failure.

Could go one step further and say everything including this reality is phasing.  I assumed from his post he was referring to the Frank Kepple style phasing technique which consists of "phasing" directly using something like a rundown.  It all does blend together.  I think direct and indirect are a little better labels than phasing vs non phasing techniques.

Thank you all for the answers. Great read.

In dream yoga there is an exercise where you imagine a energy ball in your third eye chakra. Dors that has the same effect as phasing/doorway? Thanks

Everything I have read on dream yoga involves bringing your consciousness (vindu I believe they call it) down to your throats chakra where they believe it is when you dream or even down to your heart chakra where it is during "clear light" dreams.

I also would put this ina different category than the phasing/doorway as those are you picturing yourself in a different location.  You could do a visualization like this as a phasing technique but you would want to picture your entire body doing it at a remote location not just at your third eye in your actual body.

A while ago a challenge was posted about maintaining focus using something such as a spinning top and seeing how long you can kept your focus on it.  I have a new one around memory.  This one I first came across in "The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep" by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche.  I find it helps with dream recall as well as visualization and imagination.

It is a very simple exercise.  All you do is sit down and close and your eyes each night before bed and try to remember everything you can about the day.  Not remember in the intellectual sense of I did this and went here, but actually try to relive the memory of it, how it looked, tasted, smelled and sounded.  You may find it is a little shocking just how little you can ACTUALLY REMEMBER about your day, let alone your more distant past.

What do you mean by spiritual pursuits? Isnt astral projection one of the highest spiritual goals?

I know this is aimed at Xanth, but thought I would throw in my thoughts.  Astral projection is simply an experience, it is as spiritual or as spiritual-less as you make it. Many people go into OBE's as a purely entertainment pursuit.  Michael Raguda in the phase if you watch the youtube videos has a very secular non spiritual attitude towards OBE and his techniques are some of the most highly rated for beginners.

The highest spiritual path is nothing more than whatever you can best utilize for your growth.

People's stance that they have left belief behind and now "know" the way it is has been the basis for most if not all wars and genocide.  I don't see it as a pointless philosophy debate with no real world application at all.  What you believe defines how you interact with the world.  Nothing is less pointless.

@Baro-San, simply responding to questions in Selski's post.

@Selski

You stating that if you look outside and see a squirrel in the garden that the squirrel being there is a 1.  But how can you prove this?  Is it not possible that you could be hallucinating the squirrel.  Well maybe then you ask someone else and they say yeah I see the squirrel, how do you know you are not hallucinating them as well.  Every theory and every law is based on an assumption.  The less assumptions and more solid your assumptions appear, the better the theory.  But everything starts with a belief that cannot be proved, it must be assumed.  Even the most basic things such as that we exist cannot actually be proven, and have been tackled and questioned by many philosphers over the years.

Sorry if this is not making any sense, it is not the easiest thing to explain.  Basically it boils down to people thinking things are 1, like a squirrel you see in your backyard being real when really it isn't a 1 it is a .9999999999, we just don't like to admit to the fact that the world has uncertainty and so we ignore it.  Everything starts with belief, It makes sense I exist and so I believe I exist even though I can't actually prove I do and from there I can explain things as facts, but really the facts are always based on some sort of assumption.

About your first point on letting go of belief such as Santa Claus being real.  Yes I let go of beliefs, but they are replaced by other beliefs.  You aren't eliminating belief in your life, you simply are replacing something you no longer believe is true with something you either believe is true or believe might be true.

Is it anymore believable to think that when you're in sleep paralysis that there's this being sitting on your chest? 

I think he might be onto something.

Oh you mean Bob, yeah that guy needs to go on a diet or quit sitting on people.

I agree he might be on to something it does make good sense, I just haven't fully bought in yet so to speak.  Honestly hasn't been a topic I have given much though to since reading his book until this thread.

Going back to the link between ear noise and exit symptoms I believe it was Frederick Aardema who stated his hypothesis is all exit symptoms are body sensations that are super amplified.  Not sure I agree with it.  A llittle too materialistic for me but the theory is out there.

My thoughts on belief traps.  The idea of belief being bad or good or something you can let go of to me is just silly.  You have belief, you will have belief traps.  Tom Campbell himself says if there is a scale of 0-1 and 0 is for sure something is false and 1 is something is true, nothing can ever be 0 or 1, which means basically however you view the world is your belief because you never can be 100% sure you are right.  You can be open-minded to your experiences as supporting or opposing your belief, but the idea that you can somehow remove belief is just not logically possible to me.  Instead of trying to replace beliefs with "knowns",  what you should do is recognize belief for what it is and be open to the fact your beliefs may be incorrect and need to be replaced with another belief that better fits your experiences.  But be aware you aren't replacing it with absolute truth or "knowledge" just a better belief for where you are at that itself probably will need to be replaced with another belief.  Simply accept belief for what it is.

Those quotes rock, Lumaza! 
I might have to steal them for later.  hehe

I second that!