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Alright so something really weird happened to me today, and I'm not sure if it was an OBE but i'm guessing someone else could verify it for me.  I was in my audio art course, and the project we were presenting for critique is based on being in a certain space.  My friend Will played his piece, and it was like being on this large terrain, in a desert maybe, headed for some sort of destination (think Lord of the Rings)....so I closed my eyes and got really deep trance-wise, and I could feel myself all moving around inside my head and even maybe rising up a little bit
so the piece went on, and i was gone....this really deep, meditative piece ended with a *BUZZ* and i essentially jumped out of my chair in some sort of weird reaction spasm thing

so what i'm thinking is, did i have an OBE that i didn't remember, and then the loud buzz caused me to snap back into my body?  i was feeling pretty woozy after the occurance, and actually still am a little bit - kinda like my inner body isn't settled, and it's making me a little nauseous....

opinions?

so i've successfully projected twice, and since then it's been a bit difficult to actually concentrate.  the first time, i forced and that never works.  the second time, my neck was in some pain and that hindered the process.  but yesterday i had an interesting experience that hindered me.  I think I had actually projected, but was unable to move or anything.
I lay down as usual, and got really comfortable almost right away.  did the whole meditation thing, and eventually got the swirling white light (when i get close, the swirling light tends to take on the form of figures, and it was doing that).  at this point, it felt like my body separated, but the problem was that i was still in it, and i couldn't get out.  it was almost like my real-time self was about an inch above my physical body, but they were still intertwined.  it gave me the sensation of almost stretching, but when i tried relaxing my muscles nothing happened.  i tried moving but i couldn't do that, and i couldn't concentrate either (which leads me to believe that i was out so i didn't need to visualize anymore).  eventually i tried rolling, but my physical self just rolled onto the floor.
what does everyone think?  anyone had this happen to them before?

I was flipping through Astral Dynamics after my first couple projections, and I found what Bruce says about movement and momentum (especially in real-time) are very true.  It was awesome to read about the problems I'd been having during the projection.  However, there is nothing mentioned in the book about possible after-effects of projection (he does list what can happen DURING, so don't confuse what i'm saying with that).
I've found that some slight side effects include mild dizziness (of course accompanied by the nauseau - this could of course a result of projection along with allergies), mild vibrations when i lay down, and last night i had some extremely vivid dreams (it was almost like i wasn't dreaming but projected instead).  today the dizziness has settled down and i can lay down without too much trouble so i'm not worried about it, but i'm just wondering what everyone else felt after their first few projections, if anything?

i had my first true projection yesterday
and this morning i found that when i went to meditate and try, i was able to shortcut to the pre-exit steps pretty quickly
like i got vibrations almost right away and the white light swirling in front of my eyes (fell asleep tho hehe)
i was wondering tho about all your methods for projecting and if you find that you have gotten exit time to almost nothing, assuming you've already projected
i pretty much let myself sink into the meditation, feel myself flowing in one direction or the other, and eventually i get vibrations and white light swirling or even patterns, followed by the projection reflex.  i know everyone differs, so i'm interested to hear what your method is and how long it takes you to exit on average now that you can. (feel free to respond if you haven't projected with your methods of attempting - i won't discriminate!)

This is straight out of my astral journal, so if you see anything referring to something else I did in the past that's why
the talk about patterns is that in the past, I've been able to semi-project after seeing patterns in front of my eyes.  

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       Ok so I think I just figured out the whole concept behind out of body experiences.  Let me start from the beginning.  I got myself meditating, which took me a few minutes for some reason because I couldn't get comfortable.  After a while I finally did, and I was trying to visualize but it wasn't working very well.  So instead, I just started thinking a little and trying to keep a clear state of mind
   It was a peaceful little zone, and every now and then I would remember feeling vibrations.  Since my dream recall has been fading lately, there are a few things about the meditation state I forgot.  As I am writing this, I'm starting to remember more, and I think during the state I got a few clips of nightmares I might have been having recently.  I think my decreased dream recall is from wanting to forget the nightmares, so I need to concentrate on having peaceful dreams.
   I remember sitting there in a very peaceful trance state and feeling almost like my hands were on top of my legs.  I could feel the body heat between my legs and hands, and I think I tried to use this as a way out.  I don't remember what happened next except falling into a deep trance state.  I think this can be easily solved by setting some sort of alarm to snap yourself out of sleep into a trance state where you can project.
   This time, the phone rang, and it snapped me right out of my deep trance where I wasn't really awake anymore.  This is when everything started.  I think I might have been out of body already, because I could feel the difference in the position of my hands.  I ignored the phone in the background and let myself stay in this state.  I had a large amount of white energy radiating from my third eye, and I got a crisp set of imagery.  I don't know what the man was doing, but he was standing outside a truck.  It went slowly further and further away from my line of vision, and I couldn't hold onto it.  At this point, I felt as though I could sense my astral/real-time self, and I felt the vibrations of actually changing states as I went into this body.
   It was at this point that I had the experience.  All of a sudden, I could see everything in my room through my eyelids.  They weren't open, but everything was there, just as described in most of the projection books.  It was weird, because I could even see the outline of my body, but I didn't dare try to move or whatever because that has pulled me out of the state in the past.  I saw a weird white light in my center of vision – it was almost like a sample of a pie chart, and it kept moving around in a circle.  There were some various energy matters floating around that I didn't try to investigate.  I was able to look around and see all the details of the room, and there were some minor fluctuations (like the door didn't want to stay in one place).
   I let go and I felt myself float from my body and move to the right side of the bed.  I tried to "move" and I floated around the foot of my bed where I could see a vague outline of my body still lying there.  I started to drift over to the center of my room , which is where I got a really vivid sense of reality.  I almost seemed to switch from being aware of both bodies to being truly OBE for about 5 seconds.  At this point, I started floating up and over everything, and thought I was going through the ceiling.  I tried to control the movement but it was too difficult, and I thought about my body and snapped right back in.  The vision of the room slowly faded away.
   I still had the white pie chart in front of my eyes, and I tried to figure out what it was.  I decided to see if I could block it out from my line of sight, but I couldn't.  I felt one of the fingers on my right hand twitch, and then the light went away.  It must be something that's connected to the OBE, like those patterns I saw from before but much more intense to allow me to project.
   After this, I physically moved, knowing that I wasn't going to be astral, and there I was in my body.  I realized what just happened and came here to write this right away.  While writing, I also realized that there has to be more than one form of projection.  In other forms of projections, I've experienced 3d reality, or extremely vivid yet dark imagery.  In this case, I stayed in my body and saw through my eyelids.  I think the higher planes are something that our minds can't quite understand through normal terms, and I'm pretty sure I've projected a number of times before this.

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and that's that!  i'm pretty hyped because it looks like i'm doing things right after all, and getting astral sight was a new achievement for me as well.  thanks for reading all!

A while ago, I noticed that I was starting to have nightmares.  I'm not just talking once in a while, but pretty much every night.  I don't remember any good dreams, just the bad ones, and they're not all HORRIBLE but maybe something happens like my car won't start or i'm stuck somewhere unable to get out.  Anyway, I don't know if this is a result of me meditating and my mind allowing itself to remember bad dreams, or if it's a neg.  I do meditate regularly and I think my energy body is pretty active, so it might not be neg-influenced.  I also have a theory that it could be the influence of late night food or watching way too much TV and getting the mind of someone who makes everything into a drama.  Obviously, it could be a neg, and if so, what are the recommendations on getting rid of the neg?  Let me know what you all think from what I've said - thank you

so today i came closer than i have ever have to projecting.  In fact, i got a huge shudder at some point followed by wicked vibrations.  I imagined that i was in my astral body instead of my physical, but hey, things never work the way you want them to.  As i came closer and closer to exit, my parents came home.  My mom comes in the room, and asks if i'm alive.  I sense her panic for a second and feel her shaking on my mostly paralyzed foot which causes me to arise, verifying that I am indeed still alive.  She thought I was dead - well maybe not, but she freaked for a second - maybe I should start wearing a sign - "Meditating - Do Not Shake".  Later on I found out I was lying so still it was eerie for her, but i guess that's what you should be going for.  If people around you think you're dead, you've got trancing down

so i was reading a bit through Psychic Self Defense by RB, and I came across the part about Incubus/Succubus.  Of course, up until now I thought these were just mythical icons or whatnot (especially because i'm newer to the whole spiritualism thing) but i guess it makes sense that they could feed on your lust.  I never thought of lust as a negative feeling, to be honest with everyone, and hold quite a bit of it in myself.  There's a particular girl that inspires extreme feelings of lust, especially because i could never be with her. Well, she sometimes makes appearances in my meditations and projection attempts.  This is mostly in a sexual manner (plz don't judge me on this, i'm just making sure i'm safe in my thoughts).  Sometimes, the "encounter" seems a bit more than real, like i could be physically touching her instead of just her appearing in my mind's eye.  Is it possible that this is really a succubus?  I mean, it seems that I would be vulnerable to it in this state.  let me know what you all think - i felt comfortable posting this here because everyone seems to have an open mind, and i can get constructive feedback instead of negativity

Ok so I've been trying to get OBE since December, and all the experiences I've had were pretty much null.  They were advanced lucid states or whatnot, but I never actually got out.  But tonight that changed, no matter how little the accomplishment actually was.  I'm here to tell you that I think I've figured it out, and I see myself actually getting out within the next few attempts.
Yea so I got home at midnight, put on some trance (I changed the song, I think that helped too - Paul Oakenfold is nice to meditate to).  I was meditating for about an hour I think, trying to let go, and I finally did.  I abandoned some traditional visualizaing techniques as well.  For example, when I flow really fast, I usually visualize myself on a raft in an ocean.  I decided to get rid of the raft and just flow above the water instead, and even walk on it!
So things were going good, I was letting go, and then I got vibrations.  They faded, and then came back again, and I tried to encourage them.  I felt energy flowing in my hands and feet, and let that spread with the vibrations.  I was moving all around in my body, which I envisioned as a shell.
So then I tried a small experiment.  I pushed my finger against the bed and I didn't feel anything.  Seemed like a good time to try and get out, so I moved my hand up into the air.  This wasn't as easy as it sounds, because I felt a lot of pressure against it.  It was thought the air had mass, and i was rubbing on it.  I did feel as though I went through my physical hand, so I decided to try and move my other hand.  I didn't get the same feeling though, and I broke my concentration at this point.
But I decided to keep a journal, and hey, I finally got vibrations and I felt my astral hand!  At points I felt like I could see outlines of stuff in the room - it was like a curtain rising inside my eyelids, weird stuff.  So yea, I think I'm getting really close, and this was a positive experience for me.  and i was still physical shaking a bit after the attempt, but I guess vibrations will do that to ya
Thanks to all of you for your helpful advice!

this was originally a post where i decided to go insane
but i found out the cause
i thought i was experiencing a form of recall, maybe from a dream i had or something, where i did something before it happened
in this case, it was reading a book that i had never seen before, and yet i already knew every part of the story as he was telling it
turns out, Robert Peterson also put this book online, and you can read it for free on his website
that's how i remember reading it, but never actually having the book - the lesson here is that sometimes you CAN overanalyze

Ok so this isn't normally a post you'd see on these boards, but I felt it fit perfectly in with psychic/mental self defense.
I was just at Barnes and Noble, and looking through their slew of New Age books when I had a lady come up to me and hand me a flier.  She and her husband? maybe decided to preach to me about jesus and hell and all that.
Now normally, I would've just put up a good argument and walked back to what i was doing.  But this was different.  This guy was almost forcing himself in.  I'm a bit of a vibe reader, and this guy was off the charts with...like...divine energy.  I can't explain it, but it actually gave me a weird glowing feeling inside.  I didn't want it, but I couldn't leave the situation either.
Finally after about 15 minutes he challenged me to read the Bible, and they left.  I kept an open mind through the whole thing while at the same time expressing my viewpoint, but maybe that was a bad idea.  Aftewards, I felt a mix of emotions.  I went from laughing to ticked to downright mad to glowing to understanding, and finally to realizing I might have been intruded.
What is a way of blocking against this vibe?  Or getting rid of energy you just don't want like this from someone?  It was just overpowering, and I think they really really believed what they were preaching.  It wasn't like a normal preacher who is loud and overwhelming, but he was just...well...nice!  I think the vibe thing isn't always a good thing to do
*confused and somewhat distraught in Chicago* lol

This morning I was meditating right after I woke up, as I've heard doing it at that time will assist the projection process.  I knew it wasn't a successful attempt, but several odd things happened that I haven't encountered before.
First of all, I tend to get the rings of white light eminating from my third eye away from me.  They used to disrupt me, but then I learned to back off - but today, they were coming towards me!  So i'm thinking maybe by reversing the process, it's actually a tunnel being created?  what does everyone think?
And also, I only made this post because of something I just remembered.  I felt a presence in the room at one point during the process.  I wasn't just imagining it - my friend, who is my guide in the physical plane, told me that if something is there, you'll know.  Well I knew - I don't know if it was my Spirit Guide or what, because I had been asking for help exiting and thinking about a guide at the time.  The presence was only there for a few seconds before it went away and I faded out...
Whatever or whoever it was didn't scare me and i wasn't uncomfortable with the presence being there - although it was a bit of a shock because the realization hit me so suddenly
Comments?  It was an interesting morning, that's all i know

I posted this in the regular OBE board, but I don't think it was the right place and no one's really responded so I figured I'd repost it here...
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I may have astral projected before, but I think this time it really happened (that's for you all to help me out with). I laid down as i usually do and started meditating, but it wasn't the usual type with lots of imagery. I just felt myself moving steadily and flowing to the left - it was like i was on a raft and the first part was in rough water and the second part was in a calm river - i started moving all over the place, and i just let the flowing feeling go and eventually imagery took over and i actually visioned myself on a raft in a large body of water looking at the sky. Sometimes i would go too far and get white pulsing light from my third eye, but i've learned to back off when i get there and not try so hard. At some point, I think I felt my physical and higher bodies at the same time, but only for a few second.
I let myself go until I got to having pains on my head, until the point when it started hurting a little bit and felt a little disoriented. At this point, I took the advice of a close friend to get past - i pushed. It was mental for the most part, i believe, but i did feel some twitching/shaking. I also went through something white, perhaps a doorway of sorts? I heard a low noise, it wasn't a loud pop like Bruce describes but very soft and quick. I sat there for a while and had a difficult time doing anything - I think i was there the other night and didn't get past it.
Eventually, I started drifting to the left of my room and the wall wasn't there and i entered the next bedroom. I never opened my eyes or anything during the transition, and everything looked a little gray. The features in the other room didn't look quite right, and i was able to re-focus or re-arrange it so the door was where it should be.
At this point, I entered a hallway tiled like the entrance in my house leading down..well...a hallway that wasn't that one. I seemed to be stuck to the wall and couldn't move, so if it was a gateway into higher astral worlds i wasn't ready to go through.
I felt myself drift high above the tiling, and it looked as though I were back in my house on the high ceiling above the hallway. This is when it ended and I snapped out of the meditatve state...
what do you all think, assuming you read the whole thing?

Ok well I've read a lot about hate, and how it's bad for the soul.  This isn't anything new, I've been hearing it all my life - treat people right, everyone says.  I haven't always been a recipient of the theory, but I've ALWAYS tried to dish it out.  Don't judge me on this story, because everone slips up.
Come to the time where I had this particular girlfriend, and we mutually broke up last summer.  The relationship started off actually on July 4th, and went for a month before I couldn't stand her anymore.  Every time I was with her, I felt like I wanted to be somewhere else.  After we broke up, it grew worse.  She would call me sometimes, and I hated her.  Yes, my feelings for her had turned into pure hate, and I had never felt anything like that before.  I refused to take her calls anymore and I'd always just disconnect.
Come today.  July 6th, 2003.  The day I lost the hate.  She called me this afternoon, and I was in disgust.  She called twice, actually, and the second time I disconnected her without even picking up.  I decided it was time to speak my mind, and I picked up the phone to call her back.  Tell her not to call me anymore, and have it be done.
Didn't work out that way.  Turns out that my emotion had peaked, and suddenly I didn't hate her anymore.  I can't explain it, but I just let the hate go upon hearing her voice.  I don't know if I felt bad for how I had treated her, but I think I realized I didn't need to carry that hate or something.  We talked for a couple minutes and I told her to keep in touch.
Now, I'm up for theories on why I got rid of the hate, but I think they were right - I feel a lot better getting rid of that hate, and I encourage none of you to follow my example.  If we would all just get rid of our hate towards others like I did today, society would be a better place to live in.  
Thanks for letting me share my story, all, and I hope you are all hate-free as well

I may have astral projected before, but I think this time it really happened (that's for you all to help me out with).  I laid down as i usually do and started meditating, but it wasn't the usual type with lots of imagery.  I just felt myself moving steadily and flowing to the left - it was like i was on a raft and the first part was in rough water and the second part was in a calm river - i started moving all over the place, and i just let the flowing feeling go and eventually imagery took over and i actually visioned myself on a raft in a large body of water looking at the sky.  Sometimes i would go too far and get white pulsing light from my third eye, but i've learned to back off when i get there and not try so hard.  At some point, I think I felt my physical and higher bodies at the same time, but only for a few second.  I let myself go until I got to having pains on my head, until the point when it started hurting a little bit and felt a little disoriented.  At this point, I took the advice of a close friend to get past - i pushed.  It was mental for the most part, i believe, but i did feel some twitching/shaking.  I also went through something white, perhaps a doorway of sorts?  I heard a low noise, it wasn't a loud pop like Bruce describes but very soft and quick.  I sat there for a while and had a difficult time doing anything - I think i was there the other night and didn't get past it.  Eventually, I started drifting to the left of my room and the wall wasn't there and i entered the next bedroom.  I never opened my eyes or anything during the transition, and everything looked a little gray.  The features in the other room didn't look quite right, and i was able to re-focus or re-arrange it so the door was where it should be.  At this point, I entered a hallway tiled like the entrance in my house leading down..well...a hallway that wasn't that one.  I seemed to be stuck to the wall and couldn't move, so if it was a gateway into higher astral worlds i wasn't ready to go through.  I felt myself drift high above the tiling, and it looked as though I were back in my house on the high ceiling above the hallway.  This is when it ended...what do you all think, assuming you read the whole thing?

I've been working on a portfolio for a review since about 2 weeks ago, and today I just got exhausted from the entire thing.  I came back from class feeling like I was going to have an out of body experience standing up, but I sat down, had some food, and finished my project.  I decided, at that point, to get some sleep, so I laid down.  Of course, in my state of mind, I wasn't really wanting to sleep, so I started meditating, and visualized myself at the beach.  I really felt like I was there this time, and then I snapped back to myself spinning around in a circle of energy type deal.  I tried the rope method really fast, but then just kind of dozed off for a second.  When I snapped back out of the doze state, I felt myself moving around, and I got the exit symptoms.  There was a surge of energy throughout my body, and I encouraged it to spread everywhere.  When it did, I kept visualizing myself in another environment, and suddenly I began to feel some very strong vibrations.  At this point, something really hard to explain happened, and I can see why the authors have such an interesting time writing about it.  I was having an out of body experience...but it wasn't what I expected at all.  It was like being in a 3d movie theater where you have complete clarity of everything going on.  I felt disoriented, and I shouted for clarity.  Surprisingly, it worked, and I could see beyond the darkness.  I was at my house, about 50 miles from where I am at school, and I was moving behind my dad (I think...might've just been a fluctuation though...I didn't call to actually see where he was at that time).  At this point, I darted up the stairs and to my mom's room, but quickly came back down and through the wall to the other side.  I couldn't hold the state for too long and at this point I became aware of my physical body again.  I could see the outline of the room, and I felt that even though I had my eyes closed, I was surrounded by some kind of, for the sake of a better term, bubble - like, usually when you have your eyes closed, it's a 2d space, but this was still the 3d space.  At this point, I snapped up out of bed and wrote this down (in a very excited manner, might I add)...what does everyone think?

i think that stress and health work together in being able to have a successful projection.  this is mostly because the better you feel, the more relaxed you are, the less you have to try and relax - if you get what i'm saying.  i find that when i'm under stress, i meditate more but can project less...and the times that i meditate when i'm not stressed, it's almost like an instant projection.  if i'm feeling sick or achy or stuffy or whatever, it's hard to focus and get to that deep level of trance.
i don't think if this helps at all, but i sure hope so!

i agree with INSPES...the first two books I read are listed - "Adventures Beyond the Body" by William Buhlman and "Out of body experiences" by Robert Peterson.  In fact, you can read the book by Robert Peterson online without paying anything if you want (of course buying the book gives it a different feel)
the link is...
http://www.robertpeterson.org/obebook.html
don't make the mistake of buying this book six months later and realizing you've already read it and freaking yourself out because you don't know where you read it (it's like, unexplainable deja vu until you figure out you read it online) - it happened to me

yea last night i was feeling the "fat arms" and extreme energy rush when i got the rushing weird shapes and then what looked to be an entrance, almost TV like, to somewhere that wasn't around here. I as well reacted by physically moving, but I know i'm doing good when i'm doing things others are doing as well

Shaman, keep in mind that my post here is not to disagree with your methods, but rather expand the viewpoint.  my projections don't work exactly like you described - i get swirling white light, and then astral vision.  finally, i'm able to just let myself float out of my body.  i find actually "getting up" doesn't work very well (at least yet) so for a beginning projector, you might want to try not "moving" but just letting it happen.  the vibrations, any type of swirling light, and so forth are signs that it is close, just don't get overexcited and don't try too hard

ok yea i had two projections and i was like, laying down and feeling like i was going to jump out of my body.  I tried talking to several people who seemed to think it was natural, but it was still a bit unnerving.  because i didn't know what it was, i'm just finally getting my concentration back during meditation and i'm finally able to go to sleep without feeling like i'm falling off the bed

to let everyone know, there is already an active chat room on undernet by the name of #obe.  i used to frequent the room until i found these boards, so everyone might want to check out that channel as well.

not to worry
i think it's mostly allergies that are making me dizzy (ears and nose are plugged) and i think it actually assisted in the projection process, but afterwards i got a little bad karma in return and it's just a little worse than normal
should go away when my ears and nose unplug
and the nausea is simply from the dizziness hehe

yea my last projection i was in my bedroom and in the hallway, and i wanted to go from the hallway back into the bedroom to slow myself down (bad move) and ended up getting extremely disoriented cause i was looking through two sets of eyes and eventually i snapped back into my body *grr*  my real time sight is usually somewhat gray, and i found also that commands like "clarity now" don't work

your description of your vivid wonderful dreams matches the dreams that i had last night.  it felt like i was in real life instead of in a dream.  however, they were mostly scary or intense, and i guess i still need to find a way of making my dreams good instead of bad.  lately i've been having a decent amount of bad dreams or nightmares.  any suggestions on that, bb?  or anyone?  i know it's not a neg because i've done everything possible to clear out negative energies during my meditations