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I've been using the phasing method to either project or lucid dream. I'm still
deciding if I'm APing. I do notice this, it's a lot less clear and since I think
I'm lucid dreaming,  I don't ask for clearity and I also notice it doesn't last
as long. My gut tells me I've been APing apposed to lucid dreaming. I will say
this though, of all my attemps at phasing, which is around 7 times, it didn't work two.

I need to get them cleaner/clearer and to last longer and I'll be golden!!!!

Noy, thanks, I really appreciate it!!

This is my new song and my best I must say. All my songs are about
spiritual realms, OBE's, Alien abduction and so on.

I've had about 57 lucid dreams and lately I've been getting
pretty good at phasing. Im getting some good feed back
on this song, so please have a listen. The song will play automatically
when you go to my yotube channel. It's more about alien abduction
than sleep paralysis, but some say alien abduction is sleep paralysis,
I don't believe that.
http://www.youtube.com/user/sublimy99?feature=mhum

I don't think I've posted about this yet, If I did, my apologies!

I had a dream in which I was thinking about AT/AP and then I realized
I was dreaming,  I focused intently on the scenery and went into a
void, not a black void, as I was spinning I thought to go to my sons
room (he doesn't live with me) I told him I would make an attepmt
to go to his room if I had an OBE. I ended up in his room but it wasn't
very clear, so I said "clarity now" but it didn't get much clearer. I saw my
son on his bed and I tried to wake him and take the covers off to wake him.
Nothing happened. I then decided to leave. BTW, I was with the entity that
I often speak of. It jumped in my arms like a monkey, right before I entered my
sons room, I then dropped it. I left through the ceiling and out the roof and as
I was going through the rafters the entity said "yep" kind of loud in my ear.
I have no idea why.
I ended up back in bed and I did not snap back.

I called my son the next day and said "did you have a red shirt on the other night?"
He said " I think so" I told him about a possible projection. He later said he wasn't
sure about the shirt.

Was it all a lucid dream? Did I have my first projection. Why so dark? My lucid dreams
are very vivid.

I don't or didn't expect the entity to be there, yeah, I thought about it and
I know the power of thought in the astral and that's why I know it's going to
be awesome, whether it's focus one or 3 or whatever.

The entity always approaches me in real life. It sometimes approaches me
in my lucid dreams, about 1 in every 10 to 15 lucid dreams, which is not too
bad, so, I don't have any expectations on when it will show up, except
in real life, it will show up and not because I think it will, because I don't give it
that much thought any more. It's just something I've learned to live with.
I actually think it's a djinn, but who knows.

The bottom line is I know the power of positive thinking and I'm good with that.
This thing is always at my back, even in my lucid dreams. It won't show it's face.
I'm not afraid of it, not in this realm and not in the astral.

I have posted about an entity that has been attached to me for 3 years now.
I have posted about having intense vibrations and now I've learned I may
have been in the 3d black void and I've been there a few times.
I've also posted about my lucid dreams. I feel like I'm so, so close to where I
want to be. I much rather jump from 3d void to focus 3, as Frank Keeple claims.

The other night I was listening to the iso-tones I down loaded , the astral projection.
I went to sleep and woke to a roaring in my ear. I thought it was the entity, but soon learned
it was the vibrations and roaring, however, I still thought the entity was involved. I was also
having sleep paralysis, something I have not experienced in all of this.

So, I'm kind of curious, will I skip grades and go to focus three or will I have the vibrations, lift
out and experience focus 1 or will I always just be teased and remain with lucid dreams only?

Don't get me wrong, I greatly appreciate my lucid dreams. Even though Frank says it's a waste
of time, I would like to experience RTZ/focus 1. I much rather jump to focus 3, that sounds awesome.

Ok, that's all, tell me what you think.

I think you're further than you may have given yourself credit for... sounds like you may actually be at the 3D Void, which is apparently the best "jumping off point" to go wherever you may want to go.

Escape, this sounds great! Could you possibly elaborate on what I should do with this!

BTW, thanks for all the great info and advice, I mean that to all who responded.
Also, BTW, I had my first WILD last night!!

I'm going to post some of my better lucid dreams from my dream journal
and that way you can better judge if I am in fact lucid dreaming or astral projecting.

I was on a perfectly kept lawn and it was pouring and I became lucid.
I should mention here that I bumped up my b6 intake to 250mg's from 200, apparently
it did the trick. Anyway, everything was very green and vivid. I walked around this
very nice white house, in a very nice neighborhood. I was deciding what I would do
with my lucidity. I decided I would meditate. I sat down in front of a lawn fountain and crossed my legs and closed my eyes. I know that sounds weird but I heard
it was a good thing to do. It wasn't. I quickly got up, not wanting to waste a good
lucid dream. I walked around the neighborhood looking intently at the houses and surroundings
I decided to enter one of the houses and saw a little girl who looked at me and I said
"You can see me?" (as if I were a Ghost) and she said "yes" and that was it. I left and then woke up.

Lucid#2

I went back to sleep and became lucid pretty quickly and I was back in a similar
neighborhood, this time without the rain. I went in one of the houses and was talking to
some girls. I went up to one girl and started kissing her, she soon rejected me.
Hey! This is my dream and I'm in control, so I thought. Then I said hi to another girl
and she was all over my excrement for even saying hi. I told her I was just saying hi and she
insisted it was part of a ploy. I told her I liked her hair the other way, when it was
covering one eye, she smiled and I said "hello" implying, that is all it was about and
she smiled.


I was then outside of the house and I talked to this young man around 20/21 and I
started talking to him and telling him I was dreaming this and dreaming him and he laughed
and said "REALLY?" I said that he might also be real, and dreaming. This seemed to interest him. So, I said maybe you are somewhere dreaming and you are dreaming me, but I might be real and also
dreaming. I said yes and he thought that was pretty cool and he said touch my hand and I did
and he said "that felt real" maybe you are right. I said watch what we can do and I started
floating in the air and he laughed and I said you try it and he floated up and started laughing.
He said "Wow", thanks Dad.. I laughed and said "So, I guess I look old even in my dreams"

Then I walked to the back of the house. I was suddenly in a big field of green grass. It was rolling hills, like you might see in Ireland. I was thinking I should do something more with this
lucidity. Then I noticed a group walking towards me. It was a little girl and two older ladies
walking an odd looking dog. He was a big friendly, but cautious looking dog with very odd coloring. Like something you might see on a dining room rug, rather than the coat of a dog. I went up to the dog and briefly petted the dog. I said something to
one of the ladies. I mentioned that I was dreaming and went through the same dialog that I did
with the young man, that I was dreaming them and they might be dreaming me and touched one of the ladies hands
and it felt real. I then flew really high in the sky to show them what was possible and while I was up there
I grabbed a bunch of flowers that were floating near by and brought them down to the little girl.
There was a lot more to these dreams but nothing more of real significance. This second lucid dream seemed to last a long time.

These dream figures have been entering my dreams more and more. They are not teaching me anything, but do seem happy when I tell them I'm dreaming them. I have heard that most people say dream figures get angry when you tell them you are dreaming them. Not in my lucids they don't, which is good.

The thing I need to do in my lucid dreams is work on changing the scenery. I can control my actions, but not so much the scenery, but I haven't really worked to hard changing scenery. so, I guess that will be my next lucid goal, that and 360 vision.

Sept 17, 2010

Bad night for dreams. entity was being an moron!!!!!!
slapped me, stabbed me in the calf and grabbed me from behind and threw me.


Lucid dreams I remember:

1. first one was seeing myself in the mirror and saying: your in your bedroom dreaming this.
2. at johnston house warm sun flowers and flying.
3. johnston house water tower. under water breathing.
4. they've got something to tell me. floating in front of the girl. old haunted house.
5. flying up straight in the air very high, very fast. remember feeling the warm sun.
6. floating above the ocean spinning and looking at the people.
7. in my cousins house at little compton told the girl I was dreaming her
8. walking in the rain, stood still while scene melted and hoped to obe, instead I woke up
9. when shane was here, went btb and was floating up along scaffolding showing off to
const workers that I could fly..
10. on the beach. ran up to a little shack at the beach jumped up on the shack and then
flew over the ocean. as I flew over the ocean I skimmed the water with my hands.
11. walked up the backstairs of the East prov apt. walk up to the front wall and
turned around folded my arms and fell through the wall. kept falling till I woke up in bed.
12. looked at a book real close and noticed how clear it was. I was explaining this to the
person who was holding the book turned to see a cliff, jumped off and fell for a bit and then flew.
13. picked up this person on my rolling couch. I was stearing it down the road with my mind
picked up a girl dumped her off by tipping the couch which was now flying.
14. was jumping up on buildings and flew an invisible car off the roof, landed in this cool place 
with cool colored water. looked like paradise.
15. looked at building in the ghetto/hood tried to jump it, but only got as far as the gutters.
hung there and jumped off
16.in the dark basement  with the entity. called it out. left through small hole.
17. another basement with entity flew up (at speed of light)  after jumping through the window of a door.
18. picnic table talking to woman, noticed hands became lucid. ended up floating in a circus tent
asked for a spiritual guide entity grabbed me instead. held me by a string on each shoulder
saw the shadow of scissors cutting the strings...woke up.
19. in a restaurant girl comes up grabs my hands to dance. I was already dancing. flew up to the ceiling
the entity grabbed my legs and I tried to throw it off.
20. walking down the street at the robin hood drive house I think I'm dreaming and jump in the air to
test it and started flying.
21. chasing my sister Donna up into some caves became lucid my sister turned into a friend
kept chasing the friend even though I was lucid. he seemed like a real person.
22. see above dream journal, first entry.
23. see lucid dream #1 above
24. see lucid dream #2 above
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27.
28.
29.
30. I know I've easily had 30 lucid dreams or more, 30 is fair, though I don't
remember them all.

I have been trying to AP for several years now and I've posted here
many times. My lucid dream count has increased tremendously, but
still no AP. I have had the vibrations several times now and in every
case I end up spinning, while in a  vibrational state. I remain calm and I
still always just ended up in my bed. This morning I was dreaming that
I was on a couch sleeping and decided to test if I was dreaming by
attempting to roll out of my body. Instead of rolling out and hitting
the floor, I just kept rolling, so I tried another technique and I
ended up in the same spinning dark vortex that I always end up in.

I remained calm while spinning and concentrated on floating. I got
the sensation of floating, but everything remained dark. I tried to
shoot towards my wall, I moved, but it still remained dark.

Can anyone get me past this stage?

I've tried every method in the book from the natural "reality checks" to b6, Valerian root, Galantamine/choline, fish oil, ginkgo,
all the foods and drinks that are supposed to help, banana's, apple juice, on and on. I'm almost obssessed.
The very first one happened over ten years ago and it was natural, but I didn't have them for years after, usually WBTB and
they were always DILD's. I have found, so far, that the Galantamine/choline combo works the best, but I have to wait a week or so in between.
I'm trying to get a few lucid dreams in a week. The ultimate goal would be to have lucid dreams every night. I still have yet to try the
"amino acids combo" found here:  http://www.swansonvitamins.com/NWF168/ItemDetail. In the dreamviews forum, it is suggested that you buy them separately, but I'm going to try the combo first.

Ryan, thanks! I am very conscious. I'm having inner monoloque as clear as anything.
I stop it when I change to AP or my attempt intp AP. I am very aware.

Ok, so we can just dismiss the vibrations. It seems I am somewhere in between
something. I'm always floating or spinning or going down some hole and it's always dark
and there are either vibrations or now, voices. I should concentrate on a place to go.
Am I right about this? I've been waiting too long to just end up in my bed room to
look at myself, but I'll take it just to know I can get to that point but my goals are to
do something good with it. I'd also like to visit the records place. askash records or
something like that. I'd like to know what the name is and the phonetic pronounciation.

I still have not ginev up on the traditional method of AP, but it ends up being a form of meditation, which is fine!

Well I've tried the fully awake laying down on my back and going into a trance method
a hundred times easy, to no avail, but the lucid dream to AP method has brought me
to the vibration stage 5 out of 6 times and to the voices on the 6th try.

So, I'm happy that the method has huge potential, I just have to learn to exit.
I'm really already there if you think about it and I can melt the dream scenery away
and go into some vortex, but always wake up from there, which is frustrating.

As I've said before in on this board. I've been attempting OBE's through lucid dreams.
I usually get the vibrations but don't exit and end up waking up.

This morning I became lucid, did the flying thing and decided to try it again.
So in the lucid dream I just stand still no emotion no thought and everything
begins to melt away. I look at my hands and the y are melting away, which is good,
because I know I'm heading for a possible AP. So I'm floating and spinning, rather slow.
I'm calm as can be, not focusing on me or my body just waiting open to just enter
into an AP. I think I should be concentrating on a location, which I will do next time.

Here's the thing. I did not have the vibrations or the buzzing, but I did hear voices,
the voices were around me, but then it turned into a radio station(I did not have a radio near by)
then I woke up. So, was I closer, further, or the same as when I have the vibrations. I've heard about the voices.
I don't know if the voices come right before exiting, after? This is the first time.

Personal, yep, I threw them all in huh ? Well, remember, it's cliche to me and you,
but the average listener doesn't know most of those cliches'.

Oh, and my next song is titled "Don't mess with my pie, neil".

Anyway, thanks!

I had to post this here, since it is a song about OBE's

The lyrics are kind of full with cliches' but I think it came out ok!


"Oh be easy"   http://www.soundclick.com/paulferland

If you don't mind if your partner does it, that's fine. I think you should both be aware.
If you're having sex with a "spirit" you're cheating on the ultimate level. If you don't
see that, then I guess they let  anybody out there. The fact that you don't think
it's cheating, speaks volumes about you. Are you making it out into that realm, because if you
are, I hope you're open to the lessons one should learn.

The astral plane is not some playground to get your rocks off in. It's about finding the true nature
of being. You are completely missing the point. Have at your fantasy, but when you enter the
astral realms you are at the very peak of "self" and if you are out there having sex while you
have someone you "supposedly" love next to you in bed, you are cheating them out of an
experience that should be shared with them, otherwise, remain alone!  Just because you tell
yourself you're not cheating, doesn't mean you're not cheating, you're just making yourself
feel better under false pretenses. I'm guessing you are alone, if not, I feel sorry for the person you're with.

Cheating is cheating! If your partner is open then tell them, if they object, refrain.
If you can't or won't refrain, get a partner that is open to it, because otherwise
you're still sneaking around. If you feel you should have openness in a relationship
and you think you should have sex with whom ever you want, you should pick
a partner that feels the same way. That theory of "what they don't know", is wrong
and it's sneaky. Most people who seek to AP are looking for higher guidance.
I don't think being a sneaking cheat, really fits in with that. If you are able to
leave your body and have sex in the astral then just stick to that, or like I said,
find a partner that is like minded and agrees with you. Then you are not sneaking
and can be open, not walking around with a secret all the time. You owe that much
to your significant other.

Ok, so lets for one second say there is no astral containment or
precautions by the Government. You go into one of these places,
Area 51, the White House, or an underground alien base. What now?
What if you went to Area 51 and saw alien bodies. First you'd have to discern
if what you saw was real. Now, try coming on this board, or anywhere,
for that matter, and tell people. Your only proof is your word.
Maybe, just maybe some people on this board would believe you.

People talk about "alien bases" all the time, no one gets killed. I even
saw a show about it on the History channel. Did I believe every word?
No. I took it with a grain of salt and moved on. Same with alien bases on
the moon, you go there through AP , come back and tell people and most
will not believe you. Even abductees come back with full recall lately.
The aliens know only other abductees and some "kooks" like us..will believe them.

CFTraveler, no I did get the point. You didn't think getting into an argument over
who has the "better" Obe teacher/guru, was nessasary, especially with a subject
that is as unsubstantiated, at least in  scientific terms. I was just pointing out
the fact that a reference to "beating up" didn't sit with the subject matter, but yeah,
I know what you are saying.

Like I've said quite a few times in here, I have an entity attached to me and it might
be holding me back. What I'm saying is, the thought of what I might face, might be holding
me back. So adding the idea of "astral containment" isn't going to help me get out.
The house where this attachment started is in another town, but something followed me.
The things that happened in that house was very evil, whatever followed me here has not
acted all that evil, except messing with my dreams. One time (while here) I woke up, at least
I thought I did and when I laid my head down I started falling and landed in a room surrounded
by shadowmen. (I saw the shadowman up close and conscious in that house)
I don't know if I was lucid, or out of body or what, but I remained calm.
Still, I have a little apprehension exiting, so the thought of astral containment will only add to that.

"My guru can beat up your guru ?" What kind of guru engages in violence to solve their problems.
I have read many different articles and books on this subject and I tend to gravitate towards
William Buhlman, he has been doing this for over 30 years and he seems very grounded in his
approach to OOBE's. I'm not really sure of his fighting skills, but I do like the way he explains
his theories of AP. Is he the definitive "go to guy" on Astral projection ? He is to me.
Do I think everything he says in 100% true? No. When I experience this for myself I'll have a
better grasp of what it's all about. Do I think there are underground alien bases? Maybe, but
who knows. I'm certainly not going to go by some guy on "Above top secret" website as my proof.

I'm going to consider astral containment and underground alien bases with a grain of salt.
I'd like to approach this with a spiritual guide, if possible. I don't think it's a good idea to
go about exploring AP, on my own, if I can help it. If and when I become comfortable
with projecting, I would like to use it to help people, such as finding missing people and

things of that nature, if that is possible.It may sound sappy, but I don't want to just float around my room looking at myself either.
I don't feel the need to explore area 51. I would like to go to the moon. One thing I don't want, the fear of some being entraping my astral body/soul. If I've learned anything, it's that state of mind is very important. So while I'll refrain from saying my guru's better than yours, I'd like to stay with the concept of being safe in the astral plane and not give into fear of astral containment!!

It's my understanding that Monroe eventually came to the conclusion
that he never actually left his body, that you just go deeper into
your higher self and higher consciousness and that all resides there.
I have also heard this from other well known travelers, such as
William Buhlman. I think there would be more unexplained comatose
people if this soul/astral body snatching thing were true. I also think it's very irresponsible to claim such things.

The last thing the astral traveling community needs is to start implimenting fear
into people seeking to astral travel. I would hope that as you travel into dangerous
realms, that guides would keep you from traveling into such territory. My advice would
be to seek guides to help you and don't travel where you think you shouldn't go.
This is coming from someone who hasn't exited yet, but still, a little common sense goes
a long way!

I am open to anything. I will try that technique, if Willam Buhlmans technique
does not work. He says to focus away from your body and think of where
you want to be. Another room, where ever you want to travel. This is
all based on advice on vibrations through a lucid dream. I haven't had
a lucid dream in awhile. about a week and a half. I am very happy that I'm
getting the falling feeling and vibrations, so I'm sure I will get out next couple of tries.
I'm sure of it. Now, what will I do? My son wants me to go to his room, which is
a few towns over. First I have to exit, but I should have a plan or it might just
end up waisted. I do have (as mentioned before) an entity attached to me.
I'm wondering if I should confront it, or try to ignore it. In my lucid dreams it
stays hidden but still messes with me. I want all that to end and my
exploration into the astral realms to begin.

Ok, in a dream, on the phone. I become lucid and tell the girl on the phone that
I think I'm dreaming this call. As soon as I say that the phone goes dead and I'm
still not sure if I'm dreaming I jump up and don't remain up, that's my dream test.
I stretch my neck up and my head goes into the ceiling...mmm guess I am dreaming.
I look around the room and start to think, should I attempt an OBE or go with the
lucidity. I go through the door and I'm outside and I'm thinking I can do anything,
what freedom, but nothing really becomes of the scenery, so I stop my thoughts
and stay still and here comes the vibrations. I remain calm and they become more
intense. I say "I'm out of body now" and I feel like I roll out. I feel like I just lift up
out of bed, but it seems too real and I rush my head back thinking I just got up
for real. I'm still feeling the vibrations, but then I wake up. Now I'm thinking that
was my astral torso that lifted and not my real body, as I thought. This is my
fifth time having vibrations, 3 for 3 with lucid dreams and maybe a half exit with
a twist..lol

Xanth, there was someone else on this thread that mentioned the command and it worked for them.
I tried the one you just mentioned about shutting off emotions and that also worked,
As far as getting me to vibrations. I know vibrations are less common from the lucid state, but
it seems to be what is happening with me. So, it's not getting to a point of the vibrational stage,
it's a matter of skipping that part and going right into projection, or learning to except the
vibrational stage in the lucid dream state and gain an exit strategy from there.

Both your method and the previous posters method are based on skipping the vibrational stage, yet
it's not working in that respect for me. Meanwhile I feel I'm waisting some lucid dreams, but I guess
every venture has it's cost and I'm willing to give up my lucidity for astral travel.
It's not as I'm even nervous during this vibrational fall, not at all, I'm totally calm. I'm not scared
of the fall, or the vibrations. I guess I need aother technique to go from lucid dream directly to
astral projection or I have to develope an exit strategy that gets me out, because once I do,

I'm good to go!!

 So it happened again. I was in a dream and I was walking
down the street
with a pizza box. It was raining and it got blurry and this became my
dream trigger.
So I'm
staring at the scene and the rain
and I know I'm dreaming, so I stop in my tracks and say "I want to be
out of my body now!"
And the dream scene starts to fall away and then I start to fall and I
remain calm. I'm falling and everthing is dark, not black, but very dark.
I start to get the vibrations and I hear some weird noise
like a howling and I'm still
calm. I say to myself again, "I want to be out of my body" and I just
land in bed and wake up, though I keep my eyes closed, hoping to go
back. That doesn't happen and now I've waisted a lucid dream..grrrr!!!!