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I have been able to induce OBE's for a while now, and I have lots of lucid dreams as well, but there was always a big differance between the two.  Recently while in a lucid dreams, I find that if I start concentrating on my actual physical body, my awareness snaps into my body, and the vibrations start up automatically, and a OBE takes place.  Anyone else ever experience this transition from lucid dream to astral projection?  So far I've had 100% success rate with it.

I'm new to this sight, so sorry if it's been brought up before, but anyone who hasn't seen the movie Waking Life should go out and rent it (or buy it).  I rented it and bought it all in the same day.  
It's not your typical hollywood movie, but it is still amazing.  One of my favorites.

I live in Japan where magic mushrooms are legal.  When I would use them it would greatly enhance my OBE's and AP's.  I read somewhere that it isn't good to be on anything when attempting AP.  I didn't know this before and did it a great deal (every time with amazing results).  
Can anyone tell me why they say that you shouldn't use mushrooms to help with AP?
Is there a possibility of brain damage or something?

I am a big fan of salvia, but I don't think that it goes well with OBE's.  Ephedra helps me a lot with OBE's.  You can buy it at any truck stop usually.   Be sure to read all the cautions on the box before taking it though. When my body is very tired, I take either a half of one or one, and then do OBE exercises.  It helps your mind stay awake as your body goes to sleep.  You might want to take a half of one to start out with just to get a feel for it.  It is totally legal as well.  (in my state it is at least).  the OBE's don't usually last as long, but it is easier to enter into them.  If your body isn't tired at all, then it won't work...you'll just have lots of energy.  

Where did you come up with asking God for "Demon killing" energy to punch the "entity" away?  Sounds a little off the wall.

If you got it your first try, why do you need extreme help?  A lot of people aren't able to project even after practicing a long time.  Its not like we can tell you in several sentence how to reach a higher level.  If you can't have Astral Dynamics in your house then check out  http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/guides.htm  read the treat on OBE.  It has a lot of good info.  

I have thought this before.  And have also thought maybe this is the case for some mentally handicapped people.  Especially the ones who are happy all the time.  Who knows what reality they are experiencing?

I've flown so much in my lucid dreams that now I even fly in non-lucid dreams.  
Other favorite activites, definatly sex.  Just conjigate a phone, and call up whoever you want and tell them to meet you at a certain place, go to the place and 99% of the time the person will be there (for me at least).  What happens next is up to you []

I've been underwater before, but I like flying better.  usually seeing how fast towards the ground I can get going before pulling up at the last second.  I've hit the ground a few times, but I just bounce up.  

Another thing I'll do is strip totally naked and run around flashing people...why?  I don't know...It's just fun.

Sphongle is the greatest for this stuff I think.  
The music is absolutely amazing.  The first album is called "Are You Sphongled" and the second one is called "Tales of the Inexpressible".  
If you want to get a little taste of what it is, go to this link http://w1.736.telia.com/~u73602493/flashback.html  If you have a slow computer it might take a while to load.  It's a really trippy animation and the song used in it is "Devine Moments of Truth" by Sphongle.  
Many people I have talked to use this music for meditation and energy movements.  Other good groups in the same kind of genre are "Infected Mushroom" ("Classical Mushroom" is their best one I think) (Israel), "Space Tribe" (Australia), and "Astral Projection" (Israel) "The Muses Rapt-Spiritual Healing", "Hallucinogen" is another good one.  I could go on and on...  I figured on a web sight about Astral Projection, a lot of people would have known about this music. You can listen to samples of all this stuff on www.trancetrax.com  

yesterday I tried to project and when I got several inches above my body, I started spinning in circles really fast before being snapped back into my body.  I thought maybe it was because I was still upset about something that happened earlier that day

quote:Originally posted by Terry B

 In fact my beast friend too.

WoW...I wish I had a beast friend.  []

I grew up in Africa and Europe as a missionary kid, and have had OBE's and lucid dreams since as long as I can remember.  At first I told people about them, but then most people in the church told me that it was evil and of the devil.  I couldn't understand it because I have often visited "Summerland" (as a kid a "person" in summerland told me it was called wonderland) and didn't see it as evil at all.  
I believe in the Bible and consider myself born again, yet I still Astral Project.  I didn't know others had the ability until I saw Astral Dynamics in a store and read it.  I was amazed that others experienced what I had, and couldn't understand why the rest of the people I knew had no idea what I was talking about.  After reading Robert Bruce's book, I was able to control my AP's a lot better, but still I find that if I'm not "at peace" with myself and everything else in my life I have a much harder time controlling them.  I think that at times AP can be very spiritual, and other times just for fun and rejuvenation.
I wonder why certain people are more prone to astral projection and lucid dreams than others?  Neither of my parents ever seem to have them.  My grandpa was crazy, so maybe that has something to do with it [] .

I've only dealt with weaker psi vamps.  When I feel someone trying to feed, I just reverse the flow and start to feed off of them.  That gets rid of them quickly.  I can't really descibe how I reverse the flow...it's just something I'm able to do.  Try visualization...like instead of the vamp feeding off of you through the cords in your hands and feet, that you are sucking his/her energy instead.  That might work, but I can't promise anything.  
Like I said, I've only dealt with weak ones, and not very many at all (like 2).

Monnicat, you could watch 4 hellians 24 hours a day? (With out locking the kids in cages).
I was an evil kid, and I wasn't even the worste one of my siblings.  Spanking soon solved that.

Country music
Racists
anti-pot laws
Vivisections

Simma down now.  
The original post said not to talk about polotics...it is also one of the common rules of debate.
So back to spanking


The concept that spanking leads children to become more violent is a relatively new idea to our society because spankings have been a form of correction in children since recorded history.  It is known that all wrong actions have negative percussions in one form or another.   Negative action=negative reaction.  If the negative reaction doesn't affect the one who performed the negative action, then the chances of the negative action reoccurring is likely.  Children must be taught this in a loving yet effective way.  Aristotle said, "Science comes to men through experience" , so I will be basing my thoughts on experience.  The first time I threw my sister's cat off the roof, I was scolded and sent to my room.  The second time I did it, I was spanked.  After the spanking, I never threw another cat again.  All the people I have talked to say that they don't regret being spanked as children.  Spanking doesn't ruin a child's relationship with parents (I have a great relation with my parents), and I have never seen any negative side effects from the spankings I (or my friends) received.  Violence comes more from feelings of separation, rejection and/or anger.  Any form of correction can cause these feelings, so it is illogical to say that spanking is the form of correction that causes violence.  A lack of correction encourages further misanthropy.  The pain of physical correction is more effective and humane with children since it doesn't cause the feeling of rejection or separation that often follow non-physical correction.  Unfortunately many in our society are associating spanking with abuse and they are ignoring non-physical abuse.  Verbal abuse seems to be more damaging to a child in the long run though.   Any kind of parental discipline or correction not done in love, is a form of abuse.
I've got tons more, and could go on forever but have a hot date I've gotta ready for. [] Wish me luck!

So that isn't the Canadian National anthem?  jk.  that Anthem was awesome!  
I am American, but I have only lived in America for a couple of years.  The rest of my life was spent in Africa, Asia, and Europe...next I'm planning on living in Tibet for a while. I still can't get over the ignorance and conceitedness of so many people in America.  And like someone mentioned before...the amount of overweight people.  i spent most my life in Africa, so it was quite a culture shock to see so many fat people (or are we to call them horizontally challenged?).  Millions are starving to death around the world, yet America throws away tons of food every day.  
I am not proud to be an American, and often when in different countries, I try to keep people from knowing that is what I am (by wearing Canadian flag shirts [] )  No one seems to hate Canada.
I'm trying to find a Iraqi flag to hang on my car (the way Americans always hang American flags everywhere incase they forget where they are, or what it looks like)  but I doubt people would know what it was, they'd probably think it was a sports team.  
Speaking of sports teams, I don't see how they like American football and baseball better than Soccer and Rugby.  A lot of good movies do come out of America though...and the Simpsons...where would the world be with out the Simpsons?

So does being neutral=apathy?

I was being quasi-factitious

By the way, I'm not trying to start a creation vs evolution argument  I'm not trying to convince anyone that they are wrong, and I am right.  I'm simply stating thoughts.  I know I could be wrong, this is why I accept everyone regardless of how differant their personal beliefs are from mine. I'm also very open to others opinions on reality and the reason for being.  I love studying different religions, (especially Eastern ones) and philosophies, and I am very open minded and non-judgmental, so don't think that the last post is a "REPENT YOU EVIL BASTARDS!" type thing...I'm not a Bible thumper in any way.  I let people believe what they want, and it doesn't bother me (unless that believe hurts others...which is one large problem with many organized religions...but I won't get into bashing organized religion right now...I'll save that for later []

Here is one of my many theories that I have fabricated in my quest for truth and knowledge. I thought I'd throw it out there to see what people have to say about it.  It answers the questions of God, heaven and hell.  

We exist in a time and space based existence.  We can not fathom what it is like to not exist in such a way.  When we astral project, we enter into a different form of time and space, but it is still a linear time based reality none the less.  Our minds were not made to comprehend timelessness.  
In essence, God is all of existence, not only earth, and what we perceive, but the past, present, and future all rolled into one. That is why in the Bible, He says, "I am the beginning and the end" because he IS all at the same time.  As for hell, I think that there is a possibility that life here on earth is a form of hell.  Everything is chaos here, loved ones die, pain and sorrow is prevalent, and no one TRULY has all the answers.  We spend our whole life searching, and never seem to fully understand. People seem to love conflict and strife (which is why Reality shows are so popular...no one would watch them if everyone got along just fine).  Not a single person on this earth goes with out suffering.  So what if, those who live a life that does not recognize the truth of reality (which is that reality is God) have no way of reaching the next level of consciousness when they die, and their life is repeated, giving them the chance to realize this (which would enable them to enter into the next level of consciousness)  The next level of consciousness would be that of a timeless reality in which we co-exist with all the other creatures (including animals) who have already achieved that level.  This could be called Heaven, or Nirvana, what ever you want to call it.  In the Bible it says God is omnipresent, which means that reality and all we know, is in fact God, but if we do not realize this, then there is no way that our spirit could enter into the next level of existence.  Thus causing you to live your life again in that moment of time and space (which isn't hard to believe since in a timeless reality all time happens at the exact same moment).  So maybe this is what Deja vu is.  Maybe it's us remembering stuff from a life that we lived more than once, but the first times around we didn't make the right decisions.  There will always be those who don't believe in God and who commit evil acts, and this would be the eternity of hell.  But also there would be a chance for people to get out of it by making the right decisions in this life.  The way that God tried to communicate this to us, (but it got very distorted and misperceived) is the Bible and Jesus.  God made a man that was in essence all of him and his knowledge (Jesus) to come to earth and try to give us this message, and even defeated death to prove that death wasn't the end.  But his message was misinterpreted by many and all sorts of people are lead astray.  
So when a person finally gets his or her life right (living in peace and love with self, others, and creation and realizing that it is all God, and that Jesus was God as well) then they exit this loop of reality, and enter into a timeless bliss, where all have the same understanding and consciousness level.
I obviously made some mistakes in the past (I have Deja vu all the time) but this time when I die, I'm going to be timeless)
Evolution can not be the answer because, one I haven't heard any evolutionary biologist give me a logical explanation for the human spirit.  Also evolutionists say than an incredible mass of energy and matter was compacted to the size of a period... and then it exploded, and created the universe we know now (big bang).  Then it says that from the explosion, order started to come about.  Planets aligned into systems, galaxies formed, and then all of a sudden the order became so great that atoms formed cells, and the cells formed higher life forms. Cells formed into plants, and some cells into animals, and some cells into viruses (which isn't even a cell or even considered alive and is 100% inexplainable through the theory of evolution).  Now amazingly at the same time that the order is taking place (the evolution and development of life and man) disorder starts to set in.  Death.  Once a creature becomes a live, it must die.  Flesh and blood that is not in order goes to death...disorder.  So now we have order peak off at the creation of life (a living being is absolute order and perfection.  A consciousness of being is the most order that is known in our reality), and then start to fall into disorder, ultimate disorder being the death and destruction of knowledge of being.  The universe starts spreading out and getting farther apart, suns start to die out and cease to exist, and eventually in another billion or so years, our own sun will die, as will all life on earth as we know it.  Even if a billion years down the road we are living in other galaxies and solar systems, it will only be a matter of time before those galaxies cease to exist, the constant disorder of the universe proves this.  But as we see from the cycle of life that all death is required for life.  So is the death of our universe required for the life of something else? ( Our idea of time is based on a system that we only know from a point of view of a tiny planet based in a infinite universe)  So, if death is required for life, what is the life that is created from the death of our universe, and what was destroyed for our universe to exist?  Obviously nothing can't exist, because nothing is the absence of everything (including a tiny mass of matter the size of a period...a tiny mass of matter the size of a period would have had to have come from something, because nothing begets nothing.  So if the law of nature says that life comes from death, goes to death, and becomes life (life lives on life).  We can not survive unless we cause the death of another living being), that must mean that our life (existence of the universe) came from a death.  But the way that they say existence started isn't from nothing, but from a something, which means that there can't be any such thing as nothing because nothing is an impossibility.  All of reality as we know it will die in order to make way for a new creation.  The process of evolution explains this easily in the way they say we went from disorder to order and then back to disorder.  The only logical thing to say is that at the end of the disorder, order is awaiting in a form of reality that we can't even imagine.  We can't imagine it because we are on a physical, limited level of existence.  Our minds can't comprehend ideas like infinity and the possibility of something created from nothing.  Once we get through this disorder stage and get back to order we will see the truth of reality and existence as clearly as ever.  That reality only makes sense if there was an original intelligent creator to start the whole process (because I already showed that our inability to imagine infinity is proof of our lack of knowledge and faith in a creator).  Obviously since we can not even completely grasp the idea of infinity, that is proof that there is a God that had to start it all, but in reality never started it because there is no start or end in timelessness.  Where consciousness begins, there has to be a ultimate final consciousness of all reality and existence.  That final consciousness would have to be a all intelligent, all knowing, all present being.  Reality is in fact this being.  He is everything that is in the heavens and beyond, he is the earth, he is life, he controls death.  With out acknowledging this God, there is no way that one would be able to reach the final level of reality.  The reality being that you completely understood the awesomeness and unity and perfection of God, and that the best way he told us about his existence was related to us in the form of religion.  He inspired men by using his awesome power, to write the bible as a record of his being (in the most simplest terms that man would understand since we are on such a lower level of existence).  These recordings of reality were given to us in the form of the Bible.  Jesus was the existence of God and reality put into a infinitely perfect flesh form, a form on the same level on consciousness that we were, on in that he was perfect since he was and is God.  Is is because of this that he was able to control every single aspect of nature and reality.  He defied all the rules of nature.  He walked on water, he healed the sick...there wasn't anything he couldn't do.  He even rose from the dead.  He defied the ultimate rule of the universe.  He defied death, and by coming back to life, gave us a way to realize his existence by his own breaking of the ultimate rule.  The rule that once something dies it is dead to that consciousness level and can not return to the previous form of existence.  But Jesus did.  Once he defeated death and the entire structure of the universe was thrown in reverse.  BY doing this, he made a way for us to reach the same level of conscious existence as him.  And be made on with perfect existence for all eternity...no wondering what lay beyond the grave, because there would be no such thing as a grave.  No such thing as death.  Ultimate perfection and paradise and unity for a single, yet infinite moment that is reality in a past, present and future state, all at the exact same time.  (For those who say that Jesus was a good man, but he was not God, I say:  Either he was the son of god or he was a raving lunatic, a good man doesn't claim to be the son of God if he isn't...only a crazy person would do that)
A eternal rejection and separation of God and the truth about reality is in and of itself a hell.  A person's pain and suffering will never end as long as they choose not to realize the existence of a perfect God.   Once they realize this, then they will enter into paradise.  
So does this mean that eventually everyone will make it to heaven?  Nope!  Sorry to say, but if a person never realizes the truth about reality, they will continue to live in disbelief.  And there will always be plenty of people to spread around disbelief.  Why?  Because the entire cycle of life and reality depends on the life and death of something, so these beings that are constantly living and dying are what keeps hell as an eternity.  Because there will never be a perfect understanding that is shared with all creatures in existence in a timeless infinite reality.  Basically this shows that all of evolution's theories about the creation and death of life is completely false, and part of the reality that there will always be people believing that there is no God.  And as long as those people exist...there will be a hell, in one form of spirituality or another.  As long as you realize the truth of the reality of God, you know you are safe from this eternal hell.  So, this way, God is all loving and he doesn't send people to hell...people keep themselves in hell by refusing to believe in Him.

Well, I guess I got a bit carried away there.   Does anyone think this makes sense at all?

No Fred, you're wrong!  If we all agree, then we have no conflict.  If we have no conflict, then we have no entertainment.  If we have no entertainment, then we are bored.  If we are bored, our minds go numb and society falls into the pit of mediocrity.  Thus an agreement board would be our downfall.  Or I guess we could agree to disagree that agreeing isn't as fun as disagreeing but then wouldn't that be the same as agreeing? Do you disagree?...oh no I've gone cross eyed.

Ha ha..don't worry about taking up the other side of the assisted suicide argument fred, my retort would be, "in retaliation I would like to say everything you originally said on this topic"  

Here's one that a friend and I have been debating. "Would America be able to survive under the same system of Government (Democracy) if our population and natural recourses equaled that of China's? (US population = about 280 mil. we have tons of natural recourses. China's population is 1.2 Billion and they don't have nearly as many recourses or as favorable climate, location, etc.."  Actually, that is to political of a debate...here is another one that I have been talking about with some friends, "Does spanking lead children to be more violent?"

I say No, spanking does not lead to children becoming more violent.
   

sweet...thanks

Sorry to hear about your brother.
I don't think anything on the astral level can help your bro.  Positive affirmation is probably the best way to help him. All pleasure has a price; sometimes that price is jail, or death. Nothing anyone else does will make him quit, it is his decision.  I wouldn't help him out by posting bail or anything like that.  Sometimes the best thing for a person is to receive the punishment they deserve. Just keep loving him as a person, and maybe he will come around.  
 Best of wishes in this matter