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The instantaneous "action at a distance" occurs in quantum mechanics because the particles are entangled - they must have become entangled at a previous time in order for the spontaneous collapse of the wavefunction to affect both particles.  It doesn't matter how far apart they are - the wavefunctions of both particles collapse into complimentary states instantaneously when one of the particles is measured or "observed" - in the scientific use of the word.

What this means is that when two particles interact with each other, and before any observation occurs, the two particles become entangled and enter into what is referred to as a "superpositional state."  I tend to think of the superpositional space as a higher dimension where information is processed by the universe's space/time rendering engine.  From this state, indeed time and space are seemingly irrelevant as far as exchange of certain information, and thus the universe is able to supercede the laws of relativity, where information must travel at a finite speed limit through space/time.  Because the particles are entangled, they share some connection in the superpositional space, and it is not necessary to relay through space and time whatever it is that happens to one of the particles (it being measured and how it collapses - into a wave or particle aspect).  The process of quantum tunneling also uses the superposition to allow a particle to travel through a barrier, and quantum teleportation uses a similar mechanism but allows for larger displacements in space.  Every time two particles interact (always via a force carrier and exchange particle) they become non-physical in that they enter a superpositionale state.

Szaxx you are definitely on the right path in thinking of it as a higher dimension...  You would be interested in looking at string theory and manifolds - scientist believe at least 10 and possibly 11 dimensions exist in total, and are necessary for the physical laws of the universe to work the way they do.  Most of us on this forum here would probably say that the number doesn't stop there!

The 40 Hz cycle of the brain is a measured average frequency for the synchronistic firing of neural networks and is also a theoretically calculated value proposed in the Orch-orr Model for the number of times per second that the "quantum gravity" (a concept not proven yet in science) would cause spontaneous collapse of the wave functions for the particles comprising the walls of the microtubules, once set into a superposition state as a result of the entanglement with photons travelling through these hollow structures.  My theory proposes that the overlapping wave functions of ethereal matter has the potential to affect the spatial location of electrons  - as described previously.  It is well known that the geometry of the electrons's acceleration determines the polarization of the emitted photon, and light can be polarized three ways: up/down, left/right, and circular.  The Orch-orr Model notes that these three possible polarized states would allow for a much higher number of possible encoding sequences than what would be possible in a binary encoding system. Ultimately, this framework would explain how information is stored and retrieved in the brain, and also explain where at least some of the correlates of consciousness are to be found.  Interestingly, the 40 Hz frequency is a normal average, but frequencies of Tibetan Monks have been measured during meditational states at up to 80 Hz!

I am unaware of any relation to the Russian Torsion Field Theory (very interesting though), and my proposal would not require anything outside the currently accepted realm of quantum mechanics.  Only quantum tunneling and quantum entanglement are needed, and also of course a mechanical interface between consciousness and the systems involved within the brain.

Thank you all very much for your thoughtful posts and feedback!

The vibrations are a purely ethereal manifestation and are perceived through the ethereal body's neural network.  A vibration requires oscillation and it would make sense that ethereal atomic structures, when in a decoupled state from the physical body, are oscillating about some position relative to the physical atomic structures, as a result of the presence of this energy within the ethereal body.  The vibrations are used explicitly for Ethereal Conscious Projection (ECP), which is achieved through mind awake - body asleep and is an exit of the ethereal body into the RTZ.  The other type of projection is Interdimensional Conscious Projection (ICP) and is a process of phasing one's focus directly into an alternate plane - no vibrations are required, and this is also the way dreams states are achieved.

The sounds one may hear are different for different individuals. Some, like myself, never hear any sounds - except for in the earlier days when I would hear random voices while in hypnagogic, something quite common.

A tuning process does however seem to be occurring, and I have in particular noticed that only when consciousness is in the proper state of focus (highly tuned into the ethereal substrate) does it really gain full access in terms of where one's conscious intent is directed.  This would certainly appear to be the product of the fact that ethereal matter is on a different matter/energy frequency band than physical matter.  Consciousness must both tune in and have the vibrational surge present throughout the ethereal body to attain a state of full separation.

Now, if the entire ethereal body does not possess the vibrational surge, then this part of the ethereal body remains coupled to the physical body.  The overall intensity of the vibrations can be great in one area and not present in other areas of the body (one can mentally manipulate the energy into different parts), and to successfully separate, one needs to spread the energy throughout.  The stronger the energy presence, the longer one can maintain separation.  Once it begins to weaken significantly, one begins to feel heavier and sluggish - return of consciousness to the body is eminent.  This raises the question of why?  Why does a lack of vibrations cause the ethereal body to be drawn back toward the physical body?  I believe it has to do with the seat of consciousness and how it connects to the physical body in the first place, and could also be caused if the two bodies are never fully disentangled in some way.

It is, however, interesting from a physics standpoint that the total energy seems to be conserved.  For example, pooled into a small volume of the body the vibrations may be quite strong - as the energy flows into other parts and begins to more fully permeate the entire body, the intensity goes down.  This is a quantum mechanical effect in that the vibrations really are the result of individual ethereal atomic structures set into motion - their acceleration and de-acceleration resulting in the emission and relay of ethereal "photons" that travel out and interact with adjacent ethereal atomic structures - these ethereal photons are quantized amounts of energy and the total energy is conserved.  This is how the electromagnetic field is propagated through a conductive medium - through the acceleration of electrons (physical atomic structures), photons are emitted from one electron and then absorbed by adjacent electrons' clouds, setting these electrons into a higher energy state.  Each electron spontaneously collapses back to the ground state and emits one or more photons equivalent to the energy difference between the excited and ground states.  (Photon numbers are not a conserved quantity, but the total energy is).  These photons travel away from their source and are absorbed by yet other electrons' clouds and the process continues to propagate the electromagnetic field through the material.

The vibrations will continue to weaken over time, however, as a result of radiation bleed-off from the surface of the ethereal body, where the travelling wave packets do not encounter adjacent ethereal atomic structures.  I believe the atomic structure of the ethereal body is set into oscillation about the physical atomic structure as a result of the presence of ethereal photon radiation from ethereal charged particles.  This is felt as a vibrational surge and signifies that the ethereal body is in a decoupled state.  Without the oscillation, the ethereal atoms are too close to the physical atomic structure and the attraction is too great to overcome - the ethereal body enters into a bound state and cannot separate. The mass ratios of physical matter and equivalent ethereal matter must be highly disproportionate - physical matter must be much more massive than ethereal matter and experiences little displacement due to the attractive force between the two.  Only through superpositional interference (actual overlapping wavefunctions) does significant spatial displacements occur to physical atomic structures, and this is the proposed mechanism by which consciousness can affect the physical substrate of matter (inside the brain, for example).

Obviously, all of this applies only to the ethereal body and essentially is why the vibrations have only to do with ECP type oobe's.  Consciousness must tune into the ethereal body in order to perceive its bio-feedbacks.

@funfire: Would be happy to hear!  I share a fairly comprehensive theoretical model for exactly how this occurs in the currently available book and the basic idea is that ethereal forms of matter, which are also malleable under conscious intent, may introduce potentials into the Schrodinger Wave Equation under certain conditions.  The resulting entanglement of ethereal particles and physical particles from a superpositional state directly affects the probability distribution of the particle's position and consequently is a displacement in physical space of physical particles (such as electrons) which then immediately seek a return to a state of equilibrium, thus undergoing an acceleration that produces radiation of photons.  This process occurs ultimately through superpositional states (where all quantum mechanical information is actually processed), when the corresponding wave equations overlap and can be used to explain a number of observed effects, such as the forced (i.e., consciously directed) quantum tunneling of electrons between the synaptic junctions of neurons. I use this theoretical approach to also expound upon existing theory (research the Orch-orr Model of consciousness, proposed by Dr. Hammeroff and Sir Roger Penrose) to explain how consciousness operates the brain through synchronistic neuronal firing, which is clearly a faster-than-light orchestration of neurons in which billions of neurons fire at the exact same time (around 40 times a second) and thus can only be the result of quantum entanglements between particles (in this case photons entangle with the walls of microtubules - extremely small hexagonal tubes located on the surface of dendrites - tens of thousands located on the surface of hundreds of billions of neurons) in the brain.  The Orch-orr model requires an external governor to actually work, something to direct the entanglement process into a coherent pattern that can be processed (understood), resulting in the conscious perception of a physically experienced moment (again, at about 40 moments per second), as well as providing a means by which one's own free-will is incorporated to make decisions and use the physical body's systems (for example, the decision and action of moving a limb) through conscious intent.  The existence of the VEA demonstrates consciousness' separation from the physical body and thus proves consciousness is a fundamentally separate entity from the brain (the external governor).  The ability to pull ethereal particles from the VEA (even if these are for example a form of ethereal light, or ethereal "photons" and thus may be referred to as an ethereal energy) into the physical body, resulting in the onset of the vibrational surge, is a clear demonstration of consciousness' ability to manipulate the ethereal substrate.  A direct demonstration that this is in fact what is occurring is not technologically feasible, however, until methods of ethereal particle detection are developed, but the underlying theoretical framework I believe is quite sound.

Thank you very much for the congratulations - it has been an extraordinarily difficult but equally rewarding journey to say the least!

Re: I hope your learning  included the existence of the Aether as for too long it's denial has stumped progress in science.

The Aether was a proposed substance that was postulated to provide a medium for light to travel through.  The Michelson-Morley experiment showed that the Aether does not exist by showing that regardless of the Earth's relative velocity to any potential medium (in this case the proposed Aether) light travels the same speed.  (The speed of light is c only in a vacuum - travelling through any other medium, it slows down). The interferometer Michelson built to test the hypothesis was extremely sensitive, and if any difference in speed of the returning lasers had occurred it would have caused an interference pattern between the beams. This experiment was performed at different times of the year when the Earth would be travelling in different directions relative to the sun, and presumably relative to the Aether.  This experiment simply proved that no medium is required for light to travel, except empty space.  Is space truly empty? No.  Scientist fully recognize that even the deepest void of space is not truly empty - a zero-point energy pervades.  This experiment disproving the Aether says nothing about the possible existence of other forms of matter, however.  The currently accepted theoretical model is called the Standard Model and the basic premise is that the universe is comprised of fundamental fields that permeate all of space.  Waveforms within these fields - perturbations, if you will - equate to particles.  For example, a single fundamental field gives rise to all electrons, another field to protons, so forth and so on.  Light is an electromagnetic wave and is self propagating because changing electric fields give rise to magnetic fields and changing magnetic fields produce electric fields - no medium is required except space - but space is comprised of permeating fields.  My aim is to show that other fundamental fields do exist.  If this may be interpreted as the Aether, one must be careful to not equate this to the original definition of what science believed it was.  It now has nothing to do with light and, in my view, should be interpreted as ethereal matter and energy.  Incidentally, one of the professors I presented this to, before I fully explained was like, "You know the Aether was disproven, right?" I replied, "Of course, this is completely separate and unrelated."  It's a natural inclination to relate this ethereal system to the more famous Aether, but they truly have no relation to one another.  To your point Szaxx, indeed the inability to recognize the existence of ethereal forms of matter and energy has been a major stumbling block for science.  I believe this was the sentiment you expressed by your statement.

Re: The value of 'c' (speed of light) is accepted as a result of the permeability and permittivity of 'free space'. This free space has to be the Aether, if there was nothing then how can 'c' be calculated?

The value of c is an independently measurable quantity (Trigonometry is used to calculate the distance to the moon, then a laser signal's travel time to the moon and back is measured - providing a highly accurate speed), but the mathematical formulation is a wave equation - which has a specific form, and one of the parameters in this equation is the velocity of the travelling wave.  That relationship is written in a calculus expression that is a bit too complicated to fully explain here or even write without special software.  If, however, one takes Maxwell's equations and performs the correct set of operations to solve, they end up with a wave equation that explicitly shows the velocity of the travelling wave: this is where the permeability and permittivity of freespace come into the picture, each of which are also independently measurable quantities.  When those values are measured, inserted into the mathematical formula, and the equation is solved, we find perfect agreement with the actual measured velocity of light.

Re: If light was to travel through a total void, would the inverse square law apply?

This is an interesting question.  The inverse square law arises because first, energy is conserved and second because the energy propagating from a point or spherical source expands from a particular location into a larger volume of 3-dimensional space - it's intensity further away from the source must diminish because the conserved amount of energy must fill a larger volume.  It is an inverse "squared" law (and not an inverse cubic law) because the wave can be thought of as traveling perpendicular to an imaginary spherical shell - equidistant at all points from the source - and the energy is crossing that boundary.  If you increase the size of the shell, you are increasing its surface area by a factor that is squared.  The total energy in the first shell is the same amount contained in the second shell and the energy diminishes in intensity by the same factor.  A complete void would in fact suggest no-space - nothing for light to expand through!  The medium it travels through is of course not a void, as mentioned above, but rather the fundamental fields permeating space.

Re: I hope your understanding ... will change the world view and then mankind will progress beyond the 'selfish kid' attitude that prevails

The second chapter in the new book I am writing is titled "In the Eyes of a Child" and, aside from sharing my own childhood outlook about life and death, this chapter metaphorically expresses the idea that science is still in its infancy - only through recognition that the universe is composed of a multi-band distribution of other forms of matter and energy will science be able to acquire a true understanding of how the universe works and how consciousness manifests itself within physical organisms.  Incidentally, I truly believe science is coming around.  While they would not state it in public, virtually all scientist I have spoken with each personally believed in a higher form of existence outside the physical universe.  Some are religious and some are spiritual minded.  They simply are careful to only publicly state as true that which science has proven or can prove.  I personally have much more freedom, but I do not step outside the boundaries either.  Scientists are responsible for maintaining a clear division between fact and fiction and personal belief has no place in scientific fact.  I state as fact what I know for certain, but I am also certain that this system is already scientifically proven.  The scientific community needs simply to be exposed to the information, but they must also take the time and explore the proof - the proof being the Vehram Ethereal Array itself - and time is something most scientist have precious little of.  I truly hope that enough people begin to explore this system that science is forced to address it.  I will certainly use the knowledge gained to continue the push.  Perhaps someone reading this will take a chance and look deeper - much research is still needed!!

Re:  As per our last conversation via a PM, does your new book contain more application and how to, more then based on "theory"?

I took your comments to heart in our previous conversation and this book will indeed be sufficient on application (and will be much longer than previous works).  My main objective remains, however, to expose the science hidden from our physical senses.  As a scientist, my greatest contribution to readers from all walks of life, and varying degrees of technical background, is to share a straightforward explanation of what is occurring and the fundamental principles behind it.  I expect over time, and with greater distribution of this knowledge, others like yourself will discover uses that I have not (indeed, you have taught me some things about it that I did not know previously!).  I would like to emphasize an important point in use of the word theory (and I know Lumazza that you have read my previous books and are aware of this, but for general reader's purposes) - from a scientific perspective, this word carries much more weight than what the general public ascribes to it. In science, a "theory" is more than a hypothesis - it has been thoroughly tested and no observations have been made to show it is incorrect.  A theory is, definition-wise, equivalent to a Law.  In this vein, I use the word theory, and it should not imply that substantial doubts remain (most of mainstream scientists are ignorant about the VEA, but there are a number of distinguished professors and researchers with whom I have shared this information and none have found even a single point of contention with the theoretical framework I have presented them). It's easy for me, given what I have learned about quantum mechanical systems and the background of having my initial encounter with the VEA (not to mention many encounters since, and those reported by others who have learned to access it), to see the correlations between quantum mechanics and the Vehram Ethereal Array. Yet, an evolved understanding of the quantum mechanical aspects did not unfold until the latter half of my degree program, which has been since the previous publication.  A great challenge is to explain why quantum mechanics is the correct answer, and to do that, I must explain the subject matter.  This could take a book by itself, and many have been written.  More than likely it will take a few books to get it all out there!  Certainly no shortage of topics to write about, and I would love to write a purely application oriented guidebook.  First I have to share the complete science - it leads to everything else.  Really nice to know you are still active here! I very much appreciate your enthusiasm, passion, and dedication to the subject of oobe's and the VEA.  It is an inspiration to a great many, definitely myself included!  Keep in touch, keep exploring, and best wishes in all of your adventures!

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Hello everyone, it has been a while since my last post (more than 2 years!!).  I've been really busy!

At the time of the last progress report I was still attending the University of Texas at Arlington as a physics major, in an effort to better understand the Vehram System.  I am proud and fortunate to say that I graduated this past Spring (2016), and I just want to tell you that not only was the physics worth learning (the universe is so awesome!), but that critical insights were made into the true nature of the Vehram Ethereal Array.  If science can wrap its head around this discovery (and I know it can), it will absolutely forever alter our fundamental understanding of the physical universe, while offering the first scientific proof of separation of consciousness from the physical body!

To this end, I wanted to give you all a heads up - as the group forum that has supported this discovery and helped launch the Vehram System into the public's conscience, I wanted you to be among the first to know the critical insight that has been made.  This has never been explicitly stated in any of the previous books I have written, and it will certainly alter the theoretical approach going forward, but here it is: the Vehram Ethereal Array is a quantum mechanically governed system of ethereal matter and energy.  To a theoretical physicist, that statement's scientific implications should be understood, but to most people (scientists included) the true significance of what this means may not likely be obvious.

In short, quantum mechanical systems are objectively governed features of nature (not subjective, not hallucinatory).  If the Vehram System is a quantum mechanical system, then it absolutely must be real - and so is the out-of-body state.  A form of matter and energy located outside the physical body with which consciousness can interact and thus independently observe its universal and objectively governed behaviors proves the separation of the ethereal body - and along with it, consciousness.  The full explanation of how consciousness integrates with matter (physical and ethereal) to perceive its environment forms the first complete theoretical framework for the out-of-body experience, as well as consciousness itself, but it also says something of fundamental importance about the universe we live in.  Interestingly, science has detected vast amounts of unseen mass and energy in the universe, a direct prediction of the emerging theory in terms of how one can measure quantum mechanical systems that are non-electromagnetic (by gravity - all mass in the universe exerts gravitational influence - even ethereal matter would). 

It should also be noted that if consciousness can utilize either type of material body (physical or ethereal), then one consequence is that consciousness must have no dependence on either body for its fundamental existence.  The properties consciousness must possess, in order to manifest across a multi-matter/energy spectrum, mean that it cannot be the product of that spectrum but must have a "superposition" beyond.  The Vehram Ethereal Array does indeed prove the out-of-body experience, the existence of the soul, and life after death - all in one fell swoop!!  For those interested, the www.vehram.org website is fully operational, but some new changes are coming soon.  Expect a new design, new book, a discussion forum and blog.  You can like/follow vehram.org or me (Vessen Hopkins) on Facebook for latest updates.  Working on new video series going up on the site soon and much more so really excited about the future!!

Thank you all so much for your support over the years - this post was initiated in 2009 by a forum member and has become one of the top 3 most popular/viewed threads on this forum!!

The collapse of the wavefunction occurs whenever a physical measurement takes place.  Many experiments have been conducted in such a manner so as to rule out the possibility that conscious observation causes the collapse by using physical instrumentation to perform the measurement task.  Most physicists completely dismiss the "conscious observer effect" because of this simple fact, but in truth it is simply unclear what effect conscious observation may have.  I do not personally dismiss it, I simply believe that whatever effect consciousness has, we are unable to measure it.  It might be argued that because the physical body must serve as a measuring instrument, it is impossible to separate the measuring device from conscious observer.  One would need to be in a state of pure disembodied consciousness in order to show that consciousness actually causes the collapse or has any effect - this has never been demonstrated.  Rather, the whole "consciousness causes the collapse of the wavefunction" idea was instigated back in the 60's by a PhD student in his theses (I will get his name for you also). He argued that because one could not rule out consciousness as a part of the quantum mechanical system, and that whenever a person "observes" a physical event the collapse must take place, that consciousness must have an effect.  (Again, followed by rampant misuse of a scientific term that is specially defined).  It wasn't until computer technology became more developed that the counter-experiments could be conducted.  In terms of specific papers, I would have to go back and look that information up - I came across at least one of them while doing the research paper.  I fortunately do have access to an academic database through the university, but I am currently on Summer vacation... a search on Google would probably suffice.

In terms of causing the collapse of the wavefunction, I do not claim that the VEA has any impact on the subject one way or the other...  Rather, I argue that its fundamental behaviors could only be the result of, and therefore is indicative of, quantum mechanical phenomena.  I mention QED in particular, but quantum chromodynamics (QCD), a more comprehensive physical theory of matter that includes the quantum mechanical description of the strong nuclear force that binds atomic nuclei together, is also closely mirrored in that any form of matter whose fundamental behavior would indicate atomic structure must also have other fundamental forces (a twin of the strong nuclear force, for example) in order to exhibit such behavior.  The discharge that occurs upon contact between the ethereal body and the VEA's centers is a clear demonstration that these myriad forces are present and that they act cohesively with objective causal relationships which mirror our understanding of physical theories of matter and energy.

In regards to the question about the internal chakras and their potential relationship to the VEA - I mention that the physical existence of electric charges is required, (in addition to the other fundamental behaviors at play including those governing atomic structure) in order for electrical current to flow through a material.  It is a correlation of similar principles in that the VEA's field effect is generated by an ethereal based charge (according to the Standard Model in physics, which is a quantum mechanical theory, this would involve the necessary existence of an ethereal particle serving as a "force carrier" akin to the photon) that is equal and opposite to the fundamental charge generated by the internal system of chakras.  Without opposite charges, no attraction would be felt since like-charges repel from one another.  Atomic structure could not exist either, since the electron cloud is held in place by its attraction to the positively charged nucleus.  Without opposite charge, solid matter structure would fly apart.

Now, because the VEA's centers are bound at fixed distances outside the physical body, strikingly similar to a certain molecular configuration, it would indicate that the central source (like the xenon atom in the example above) is of an opposite (net) charge compared to these centers.  I suspect a yin/yang relationship at work and it is currently a hypothetical possibility that the ethereal body carries a net charge induced by the internal system of chakras.

It is really too early to tell exactly what the relationship is.  One needs a way to physically measure the system and thus obtain empirical data.  Physical detection methods and more research in this area is needed, but I can say for certain that the VEA's ethereal radiation can be used to charge the body's chakral centers.  I have done this myself, and curiously, the charge remains pooled in that area for quite a period of time, even if one breaks the hypnagogic state.  I suspect that it may indeed be capable of initiating a kundalini awakening, but I would suggest strong caution to anyone entertaining the notion of doing so.  The full flow of power generated by the VEA is beyond the ethereal body's ability to sustain and it is widely known in certain eastern traditions (Hinduism, schools of tai-chi, etc.,) that incorporate kundalini or chi that the pathways in the body through which this power flows must be strengthened prior to an awakening.  I have heard that failure to do so results in something similar to using a wire that is too small for the amount of current sent through it.  The wire simply burns up.

Finally, I do want to be clear about one thing.  I do not make an assertion that whatever the correlations are between electrical and ethereal based currents, they must be one to one.  What I mean by this is that many areas of dissimilarity also exist.  Electrical current does not produce the same effect in matter as the ethereal current produces in the ethereal body.  The purpose of the VEA's energy in the ethereal body, as a matter of simple demonstration suggests, is to enable the decoupling of the ethereal body from the physical body.  What ever force binds the ethereal body to the physical body, the VEA serves to neutralize this attraction...  In addition, the ethereal based forms of matter and energy are much more malleable under conscious intent.  I suspect this allows for the relay of conscious intent through the ethereal substrate and into the brain's neural structures in order to make certain quantum mechanical (QED) probabilistic outcomes less probabilistic and more (consciously) deterministic.  Through the ethereal substrate, consciousness exerts its influence on the physical system, but it is an extremely limited effect and not easily detected through existing methods of observation.

So for those of you who don't know me, I am a Physics major currently attending the University of Texas.  I will graduate this spring and expect to pursue graduate school after.  I am an author and have published two books on OOBE's detailing the existence of an external array that fuels the vibrational surge.  This system is called the "Vehram Ethereal Array." 

One of the questions many people ask with regards to OOBE's is "How do I know if this is real?"  It is the question at the center of my own 20+ year search for an answer.  I want to share with you what I have learned and explain the real connection between quantum mechanics and the veridical proof that these events are indeed real separations of consciousness from the physical body.

First of all, do not let the term "quantum mechanics" intimidate you.  Yes, there are some really "strange" things going on in the quantum world: quantum tunneling, quantum entanglement, quantum teleportation.  These are real phenomenon that can be demonstrated to be a fundamental part of physical reality.  I won't go into these topics, but rather want to focus on a more relatable aspect of the subject - specifically, quantum electrodynamics.

Quantum electrodynamics (QED) is the branch of quantum mechanics and physics that describes the behavior of the Coulomb force, otherwise known as the electromagnetic force.  This area of physical theory describes the electric field generated by charged particles and the exchange of energy between carriers of the electromagnetic force.  Central to the theory is the idea that photons are the discrete carrier of the electromagnetic force and that through the process of emitting and absorbing photons the electromagnetic force is "felt" by other particles.

One of the basic consequences of QED is that an electrical current is able to propagate through a conductor.  Yet, for this to occur, one must also consider the basic structure of matter - atomic structure.  The atom is composed of subatomic particles - electrons, protons, and neutrons.  (In addition there are sub-subatomic particles that are the building blocks of those particles, but these are governed by the strong nuclear force and are not pertinent to the present discussion).

In considering atomic structure it is important to know two things.  One is that the nucleus of the atom (positively charged) is 2000 times more massive than the electrons which comprise the surrounding field.  In addition, the nucleus is 2000 times smaller than the total volume of the atom.  Essentially, you have an extremely dense, small and massive center that is positively charged surrounded by an electron field which is equal and opposite in charge (assuming a neutral atom).  This unique configuration allows electrical energy to propagate through solid material structure because the nuclei are relatively undisturbed.  Available electrons are accelerated, due to a difference in charge (voltage potential) between neighboring atoms, which causes them to radiate photons.  These photons are absorbed by neighboring electron fields and the process continues.  The electrons do not move at the speed of light through the material (particles with mass cannot travel at light speed).  The photons do, however, hence the electric field is propagated through the material at near light speed.  This is why, when we turn on a light switch, the light appears to come on immediately.

We call this "quantum" electrodynamics because the energy is exchanged through photons only in discrete "quanta." 

So what does any of this have to do with out-of-body experiences?

The Vehram Ethereal Array is an extracorporeal system (located outside the body) comprising six distinct centers which appear to be governed by an "inverse power law" that is used to describe all forms of electromagnetic radiation - including light, x-rays, radio waves, gamma-rays, etc.  Virtually all forms of energy that we experience at the macroscopic (large scale) level is the direct result of electromagnetic radiation - QED.

Specifically, the Vehram Array generates an inverse power law field effect which emanates from each of the centers.  This behavior is felt through the extended ethereal body and is similar to what happens when one approaches his/her hand toward a fire.  The heat from a flame will increase to 4 times the initial intensity if you move to one half the original distance.  Heat is essentially electromagnetic radiation (light) which is in the infrared part of the electromagnetic spectrum.  In accordance with the inverse power law governing the Vehram Array, the intensity of the emanating energy will increase as one approaches their extended ethereal appendage toward the source.

The external arrangement of these six centers comprising the Vehram Array is also quite similar to atomic structure, but on a macroscopic scale.  This would be very similar to the formation of molecules which are in what is called an octahedral configuration, in which case you have a central atom and bonded to it are six other atoms.  The best example would be Xenon-hexafluoride.  The xenon atom is at the center and the fluorine atoms (six of them) are bonded on the outside.  Because the central atom is negatively charged (has extra electrons) and the external atoms are all positively charge (each missing one electron) these external atoms will bond in a very specific way.  They each want to be as close to the central atom as possible, but being of similar charge to each other, they repel away from one another.  The external atoms are unable to fully escape the bond to the central atom and so they seek a position of equilibrium - each fluorine atom is as far as possible from the other.  One fluorine atom is located above, one below, one behind, one in front of, and one each to the left and right of the central xenon atom.  This behavior is caused by the fundamental existence of charges (without charge the atoms would not bond and material structure would not exist).

In addition to the field effect and the octahedral structural component displayed by the Vehram Array, each mirroring QED phenomenon, there is yet another crucial behavior exhibited by the Vehram Ethereal Array (VEA) which shows strong correlation.  This behavior is what I have termed an electro-ethereal discharge.  As described above, electrical discharges can only occur through material because of atomic structure being the way that it is - opposite charges accompanied by heavy (massive) nuclei at the center of the atom and the much larger, but less massive surrounding electron field.

Now, when the ethereal body makes direct contact with any one of the VEA's centers, the immediate result is a discharge - the flow of an ethereal based current that travels into the ethereal body and is of such profound power that the subject cannot sustain contact.  It is an ethereal electrocution of sorts!  This discharge could only occur if in fact the ethereal body is a type of material body, and it is this specific behavior that would seem to unequivocally prove the existence of the ethereal body.  Obviously, if the ethereal body exists and the event of separation is real, then the out-of-body experience must also be real.  Consciousness must indeed be a separable entity from the physical body!

The real connection to quantum mechanics is in the unique behavior of the VEA, which is independently consciously observable to anyone, and which can only be described in physics as a quantum electrodynamics type process. One of the professors at the university I attend wrote a paper which describes a quantum mechanical continuum of physical type realities.  At the end of the last semester, I presented a 18 page, 10,500 word research paper (a paper that was awarded an A and is hopefully to be published through the university soon) to the university using his mathematical formula as one support for the possible existence of a system like the VEA.  This is the first and only known real connection between quantum mechanics and the possible continuation of consciousness outside the physical body.

Certain authors have previously attempted to make some kind of connection between consciousness and quantum mechanics because an "observation" causes the "collapse of a wave function."  This is unfair and misuse of terminology.  Observation in physics means to physically measure something - not to "see or witness" an event - which would imply that consciousness causes the collapse of the wave function.  Rather, it has been shown that a conscious observer is not necessary to cause this collapse (a collapse of the wave function is the point at which a corpuscle must take on either wave or particle type qualities and is essentially what physicists refer to as the rendering of reality).

The Vehram Ethereal Array is an objectively governed and universally perceivable system whose fundamental behaviors are quantum mechanical in nature.  Our universal ability to consciously observe this system through the OOBE is the connection between quantum mechanics, consciousness, and the out-of-body experience.

If you want to learn more about the VEA and how to use it to achieve out-of-body experiences, please be sure to check out the website at www.vehram.org

Another great link for those interested in the Orch-Or Theory:

http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/documents/fnint-06-0009321.pdf

Also wanted to mention that new efforts are being made toward potential detection of the Vehram Ethereal Array - I am currently in discussions with scientists to devise a quantum mechanical experiment to determine whether the VEA may cause perturbations in nano-tube structure's quantum state.  Thank you all very much for your continued interest in this subject! Will keep you posted...

Lionheart,

Thank you so much for sharing that - very fascinating!  I find your experience first of all confirming of consciousness ability to manipulate quantum ethereal geometries as well as being complimentary to other principles of quantum mechanics.  The idea that you feel an interaction inside the ethereal body makes me wonder if what you feel are the effects of field generation caused by moving charges.  In physics, a moving charge, such as an electron undergoing acceleration, generates a magnetic field and induces effects in the fields of other nearby charges.  It would make sense that by accelerating the external points of the VEA, you would feel torsion field effects due to interactions of the generated ethereal field and the presence of charged chakras inside the ethereal body.   Nice food for thought!

Hello everyone,

I am very excited to announce the brand new release of "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array," 2014 ed., available at www.vehram.org - which explores the science behind this bio-external ethereal energy system and provides what a growing number of practitioners consider to be the easiest method ever developed for achieving out-of-body experiences.

The new book is a culmination of more than 20 years of exploration into the source of the vibrational surge and details the journey of how this discovery came about, why independent observation of its specific behaviors cannot be the result of hallucination, and how others may use the VEA to astral project.

The Vehram Ethereal Array is located outside the human body in a specific geometric configuration, the existence of which demonstrates consciousness is separating in a manner that is 3-dimensionally removed from the physical body.  Because the VEA is the first extra-physical phenomenon found to mirror strict fundamental principles of physics governing quantum mechanical waveforms, it is the first metaphysical breakthrough capable of offering a scientific approach to what has long been viewed as a purely subjective phenomenon.

In addition to providing a logical proof of the validity of out-of-body experiences, the book provides the highly sought after technique included in the first guide, which enables the practitioner to gain complete control over the hypnagogic-induction process, allowing transition into the prelaunch state in a matter of seconds - no long relaxation sessions, no more failed launches due to an inability to attain the vibrations.  As an update to the method, the new technique also provides instruction for separation without the vibrations and explains why these out-of-body experiences are slightly different from those that use the vibrations (one is a RTZ type projection while the other is a spiritual plane projection).

Share this link www.vehram.org and share the knowledge that humanity has a newfound ethereal power.  Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array is a must read for anyone who is interested in the real science behind the "supernatural" or simply wants the easiest method for having out-of-body experiences!

Visit today and get your copy at the introductory price while it lasts!

Yours Truly,
Vessen E Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array"
www.vehram.org

Hello all,

I am very excited to announce that the Vehram System will be returning to the world-wide-web in early 2014!  The site is almost complete and the new book is in the final stages of completion as well.  Anyone wanting to be notified of its release may log on to the www.vehram.org site and click the link to submit their email address.  (You can also catch a glimpse of the new book cover)

The new book is titled "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array" and explores the full science behind the Vehram System, while offering what has been viewed by many as the most complete and fundamentally accurate technique to achieve out-of-body experiences. Due to the tremendous success of the original method, as reported by many of you who have used it, the method has not been changed from the original.  There will be a few clarifications based on the latest research, and I expect it will shed much light with regard to the nature of this phenomenon.

I look forward to sharing more information in the near future and have set a deadline of no more than 60 days for its release.  I encourage you to please share this with your friends and family.  Anyone who is curious about the hard-core science behind this natural capability I believe will be highly interested in the emerging science behind the Vehram System.  It will be available exclusively in pdf format to enable world-wide instant delivery as well as to save on trees!

Thanks so much for your continued interest and involvement in this project!

Kindest Regards,
Vessen E. Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Ethereal Array"

Hi everyone,

I have received a number of emails regarding the book "Out-of-Body Experiences: Proof of Life After Death" as well as on the book which includes the method for inducing out-of-body experiences titled "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System."  With regards to the first title, I am dissapointed to learn that some have paid money for this or access to the download.  Sites such as scribd dot com require paid membership to gain access to the books available on the site.  I will be shortly sending them an email requesting they remove the title, as the copyright notice does not allow any distribution except in a completely free manner.  The vehram.org site will contain links for download. 

Again, I am humbled and deeply appreciative of the fact that others are looking for the method offered in the how-to guide.  I hope to be able to make it available again in the near future - but cannot offer a concrete timeline as to when this will be.  So much has been learned just in the last couple of years and the updated version will contain a much broader scope of the principles governing the Vehram Ethereal Array.

As mentioned in my previous post, science has an opportunity to explore this objective phenomenon in ways that it has not been able to explore our subjective experiences.  By establishing the objective nature of the phenomenon, one may conclude that the experience itself must also be real.  Stated simply, one cannot say the phenomenon is real but that the experience of it (i.e., the event of separation) is not.

While the site is still in development, I am working arduently to bring it up as soon as possible.  The goal is to do this in the most scientifically respectful way possible.  In order to establish "independent observability" one must ensure the subject participating in a particular study has no previous knowledge.  If I had it to do all over again, I suppose I would have obatained a PhD first and conducted the research before publishing.  However, having said that, I have no regrets, save one: that I cannot make it available at this time.  To do so would undermine attempts to prove that it is independently observable.

Please know that I understand how important this discovery is to all of us who are searching for answers.  The questions many are asking are the very same questions that I once so desparately sought answers for, myself.  "How can I get out of my body? What is the easiest method? Are these experiences real or imaginary?  Where's the proof?"

The wheels of science often turn slowly, but I will not give up until this is done.  In the mean time, there is much we can do together.  I ask anyone who has had an experience with the Vehram Ethereal Array to send me an email detailing your story. - vessenhopkins@vehram.org -  I will be able to use this data to help convince other scientists that this ethereal array is worth looking in to.  All that is needed are independent studies conducted under double-blind conditions to prove independent observability.  Certainly it comes down to funding.  Convincing a research institution to allocate funding to such a project means they have to beleive it will be worth the investment.

Your enthusiasm and emotional support are of immeasurable value, and I will make every effort possible to honor it.  One of the best ways I know of to do that is to make this information available as soon as possible.  So, now I am working on the site... 

Thank you all so much!  Please keep checking in...

P.S.  www.vehram.org is the ONLY official site for the Vehram Energy System, now known as the "Vehram Ethereal Array"

Kindest Regards,
Vessen E. Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: The Vehram Energy System"

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I want to first say thank you to everyone who has taken the time and effort to explore the Vehram Energy System.  The Vehram.com web site is no longer operational - however, I am in the process of setting up a new web site at www.vehram.org

Much has happened in the past few years and I am currently attending the University of Texas at Arlington working toward a PhD in Physics in an effort to pursue this in a more scientifically rigorous manner.  Those of you who took the time to explore this energy system, and the positive feedback I have received from you, has been an enormous source of encouragement to pursue this further, and I offer you my deepest gratitude.

The E-book will be available again in an updated version (much has been learned since its original writing), hopefully in the not-too-distant future.  Currently, however, research is of greatest importance.  It is very difficult, as I am sure you could imagine, to be in a position where one is attempting to garner support in the scientific community for research projects while running a commercial enterprise on the side! Unfortunately, when potential researchers see that you are selling a book, they assume you only care about the financial aspects.  So it became more of a detriment to these efforts, and that is the reason why the original site went down.  I couldn't care less about the money and would just as soon give the book away.

The reason the book was sold for $10 in the first place was two fold - 1) anyone who spends money on a how-to book is more likely to investigate it (often with a more critical perspective on such information) and not put it on the back shelf. 2) the income allowed the continued functioning of the website - I am far from wealthy and could not have kept the site up for as long as it was without your support.

My real aim, however, is and always has been to conduct double-blind studies that will prove independent observability - If the Vehram System is independently observable in double-blind studies, we would have a sound foundation for proof that it is not a hallucinatory experience.  Many people have observed this system, but did so only after exposure to the information in the e-book.  This fact leaves open room for criticism that such individual's experiences were the product of prior knowledge.  I, for one, hold little confidence in such reasoning, but such is the mind of a skeptic. 

When true independent observation occurs in a laboratory environment, we will be able to test for each of the principles governing this system and will be able to tell whether the nature of an individual's experience coincides with the expected response.  The corrsponding response to the various theoretical stimuli generated through ethereal interaction with this system, under double-blind conditions, would preclude the possibility of hallucinatory stimulus - which leaves only one possibility: it is real.  As I have long argued, the Vehram System's verified existence demonstrates the separation of consciousness (via the ethereal) as a real event - because the system itself is located entirely outside the body.  It then makes no sense to argue that such extra-corporal perception is merely an internal event.  This, in turn, proves consciousness is not the product of the structural/neurological integrity of the brain, but rather that consciousness is a functional entity unto itself and completely separate from the body.

Normally, scientifically speaking, all experience is purely a subjective phenomenon - no way exists to prove someone's experience was a real event.  Instead, we look to others who perhaps may have seen the phenomenon themselves (in a purely independent fashion) in an effort to then be able to say "Ok, so we're not crazy!"  I make this point to say this: it is not the experience of the Vehram System itself, but rather the independent observability of the unique principles governing the Vehram Ethereal Array that proves the system is real.  The only way to ever garner scientific support for its existence is to conduct the research in a professional way.  And so, this is where my efforts are currently being directed.

Anyone who has experienced this energy system first-hand and who is interested in offering their own testimonials - which would be collected for future data - is encouraged to write me an email with their story.  Your information will remain anonymous unless explicit permission is granted otherwise.  The website will be up and running in the next couple of weeks, and a link will be provided through the site, or you can send me an email at vessenhopkins@vehram.org

You have each been an instrumental part in making this happen and I am eternally grateful for that... I don't believe any person has ever accomplished anything entirely on their own, and this could never have happened without you.  Thanks again for all your support, feedback, and interest in this project! 

Happy Projections and Kindest Regards,
Vessen Hopkins
Author, "Out-of-Body Experiences: the Vehram Energy System"

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Please be careful to not confuse the original point being made which was simply that the Vehram Array, itself, exhibits (is governed by) principles that are non-subjective.  This is not the same as saying a person's experience is non-subjective.  However, when the experience pertains to this array, the experience then becomes a non-subjective event IF it reflects the pre-defined phenomenon in a case where the individual did not possess previous knowledge.

The principles of the Vehram Array are stated and defined, but were already stated in physics before this discovery was ever made.  These principles are identifiable when a person has an interaction with this array.  It matters not their previous awareness, the onset of the vibrational surge still occurs.  The radiant energy, and scientific principles pertaining to ambient power sources, is still exhibited.  And should one be so curious as to make direct contact with the inner source, another universal reaction occurs - the jolt.  The direct result of this jolt is a strong influx of the vibrational surge into the ethereal body.  So, you have a series of several specific cause and effect events, each one of which occurs only because of specific scientific principles in play.  These are based on laws closely associated with thermodynamics, but would appear to be of a non-electrical nature (ethereal based manifestation), but in either case they are pre-defined and thereby, non-subjective.

The idea that a specific phenomenon could be universally experienced by people who have no previous knowledge is interesting.  But when you have so many separate principles associated with the same phenomeon that must work in tandom to create the core experience, you now have a barometer for measuring the validity of that single event and the related experience, as well.  You cannot, however, then compare that to a dream in which nothing is predefined.  You remove the controls from the experiment and begin to hypothesize random events and possibilities instead of measuring against a set of pre-defined criteria.

Obviously it helps when the person has no previous knowledge, but once confirmation has occurred in any case where previous knowledge was not involved, this no longer matters either, in terms of sharing this information.  Hiding this information would only prevent others from learning about it and that is why I chose to go public with this very important breakthrough.

Please carefully read the site at www.vehram.com where this has been thoroughly explained, including the relationship to quantum consciousness and how leading neuro-scientific research is already coming to the basic conclusion that consciousness is an entity outside the time-space continuum (suggesting the need for an "interface" with the physical).  The argument at the heart of my theory is that conscoiusness can interface with the physical, ethereal, as well as systems completely removed from this time-space - thereby drawing the conclusion that if this is the case, then consciousness it truly dependent on none of these systems for its own existence.  Look specifically under the links proving life after death, quantum physics, and on my blog as well.  I have a full article dedicated to this very topic at http://www.vehram.com/blog1/?p=57

I actually enjoy open honest questions as those presented by T.L.  They are thought out, presented with a real sense of curiosity, and I appreciate the opportunity to address these. 

It is the scientific principles behind this particular phenomenon which preclude it from being a hallucination, or even a self-generated anomally.  The fallacy in logic with respect to the "self-generated" argument is that you have to put the self-generated phenomenon in one of two categories: real manifestation, or purely imagination.

If it were a "real" phenomenon then you are dealing with a real source of energy and this only confirms consciousness ability to utilize mind over matter, but also to extend beyond the physical body to perceive this "real" phenomenon.  In this same vein, the ethereal discharge would still be a real phenomenon and so would the ethereal body.

So, we would actually prove the very aspects of quantum consciousness that stipulate consciousness as a separate entity from the physical.  In fact, this is the very aspect of the Orch-Or model of consciousness (presented by Dr. Hammeroff and colleagues) that is hinted at by the suggestion of a "non-localized" process, but which requires scientific demonstration of the separation of conscious awareness from the physical (brain).  Once consciousness is able to be defined within an alternate system, 3-dimensionally removed from the physical space-time of the brain (such as the ethereal body), we have defined consciousness as a separate entity.

However, to self-generate an imaginary phenomenon, you would have to have previous awareness of the specific principles responsible for this phenomenon in order for it to reflect the established laws governing radiant energy, the specific vibratory characteristic, as well as the ethereal discharge.  If you miss any of these then your experience would be quite different.  Just as in a hallucinatory derived event, you would not be able to do so accross a wide spectrum of so many principles.  It is illogical to assume that we would get the right configuration and locations, as well as specified behaviors.

The reason hallucination cannot be responsible, as already stated, is because of the successive series of principles that must be in play to generate the phenomenon.  Think about an electric socket.  Anyone who sticks their finger in it gets shocked.  Is this a self-generated event? Obviously not.

Is it imaginary? One would argue that the entire laws of electrodynamics must be discarded because we could "imagine" such an event.  Scientifically, we rule these out because the phenomeon is governed by established laws that are "non-subjective," and independently measurable.  Anyone who sticks their finger in the socket gets shocked whether they think they will or not.

The Vehram System should be looked at in similar fashion.

Um, it only matters if we believe in them, and the physical reality does not have established laws. I can give you hundreds of examples of prof of this concept.

Lighten - I am a little surprised by your dismissal of established laws of physics and the claim that these depend on whether we believe in them or not.  Thermodynamics are well established laws and form the basis of modern science, whether one thinks so or not.  Gravity exists and so does radiant energy.  Electricity is also a "real" phenomenon, whether you believe in it or not, and the laws governing all of these phenomeon are non-subjective, ergo, they exist for all of us regardless of belief.  I believe there are far more examples of this fact than what you claim can be stated otherwise.  I would love to hear your hundreds of examples, nonetheless.

You also ignore the basic point being made that the principles involved in the case of the Vehram Array are pre-defined.  This is what makes them non-subjective, and therefore independently testable - unlike much of the other events that take place in the astral. The independent confirmation of these principles could not occur under a hallucinatory experience because there is no fundamental basis to generate these events.  An argument otherwise is simply ignorant, but should include exactly what that basis might be if you want others to take it seriously.  The logical conclusion is that only if the stimulus behind this energy system is real would people be able to independently observe its specific principles.

Without having any real experience in this matter, coupled with a relative lack of scientific knowledge, your position of categorically dismissive comments is simply not compelling.  Unfortunately, they serve only to add confusion where none need exist.  The concepts are quite simple as stated.  If you can disprove them, then by all means please ellaborate.  We all want to see where the error in logic exists.  So far you have only demonstrated unfounded bias, a willingness to ignore the ideas being presented, and baseless non-sensical arguments. This would appear to be typical of your other posts as well. 

"We do not have mirror image dreams.  For example, I have never shared your dreams nor you mine."

This is not really correct though. I used to have a dream in which I went to put in one of my contacts and instead of it being the regular size, it was a massive contact. Years later I was reading a book in which the author describes a dream [to make a point] in which he goes to put in one of his contacts and it's a massive contact. So it is possible to have the same dream as another person. Im sure it doesn't happen too often though, but it is possible.

The point was that we do not find ourselves in the same dream as another person.  You were not in his dream when the event occurred, you both simply have similar experiences to draw upon.  This doesn't mean btw that your dream was just an illusion either.  It may have manifested on some real level of reality.  When you do find yourself in another person's dream and can describe the exact same events, we are presented with compelling evidence that you were in not only the same reality, but that the reality was indeed a real manifestation.  No real way to prove it wasn't esp, though...

There are a specific set of confirmation steps to go through.  Be assured I make no claim that you would automatically feel this if you reach randomly outside the body. You would need to be in a state of partial separation as I was in during the initial encounter and reach toward the location of these energy centers.  The effects of coming into contact with this array are universal and predefined - in this respect they are indeed non-subjective.

The spheres are located in specific relation to the physical/ethereal body.  Because they are an ethereal manifestation, I tend to lean toward the idea that they remain a part of the ethereal anatomy.  However, there is no hard data to confirm this.  Confirmation has only occurred from the state of "partial separation" in which consciousness is still inside the physical body and thereby "grounded" in physical reality.  However, since the locations are outside the body, the aspect of separation of the ethereal and consciousness' ability to perceive beyond the physical body is clearly demonstrated. 

One obstacle we have to contend with is the fact that once we have separated, consciousness often finds itself in an alternate dimension.  We often slip into a much more spiritual reality and even experiences that seem physical are marred by inconsistencies with reality, such as the dresser being on the wrong side of the room, doors existing where none really do, etc.

Once out of phase with the physical/ethereal there is no reason to suggest that one would still be able to detect the array.

Also what you describe in your waking state with regard to the vibrations would appear to reflect your activated chakras and would also explain your ability to project from a waking state.

Lighten - My point about non-subjective laws that govern our existence in physical reality is based on the idea that we are in a realm with established laws that matter not whether we believe in them.  We have to allow for a specific set of factors that account for our ability to be in the physical.  Whatever these principles are, they are pre-established, ergo, non-subjective.  The fact that we are interfaced with the physical means that we must be aligning ourselves with these physics-based principles.  I happen to think physics is governed by the ethereal and it is on this level that consciousness is in actuality bound.

Hallucinogenic drugs are chemicals that effect specific areas of the brain and would thereby lead to similar experiences.  Dreams are based on memories of commonly experienced phenomenon.  We do not have mirror image dreams.  For example, I have never shared your dreams nor you mine.  But if we did find ourselves in the exact same dream and could describe to each other what occurred, we might conclude that we were in the same reality during that experience.  How else could we have had the same dream - short of esp, etc?

I know the ethereal body exists because of the unique reaction that occurs when contact is made between the ethereal body and the Vehram Array.  The energy flows as a result of direct contact with the inner core of a Vehram energy center.  This would not happen if there were "nothing" there.  Rather the ethereal body, in order to act as a conduit, must be a "real" manifestation.

Thank you both for an insightful and thought-provoking discussion.  You raise intelligent questions that should be asked and indeed must be answered.  I don't think anyone has a monopoly on the truth, certainly not myself.  There is much still to be learned about this energy system.  It is not understood, for example, why such a system would even manifest – what generates this power?  All I can say at this point is that it is there and others have verified this.  The behavior of this system are universal for anyone who comes in contact with it and these behaviors represent a non-subjective phenomenon that others can utilize to prove there own experiences of separation do occur in real space and time.

T.L. You make several important points that I myself struggled with in the early years.  Belief does not preclude one reality from another (although it may create a reality)  On some level, we have to realize that there is a set of non-subjective principles that are responsible for our existence in the physical realm. But, the original question remained, how did I know that my own experience was real?

The realization came that hallucination could not universally prescribe to "non-subjective" principles.  The laws of thermodynamics are pre-defined and because they are established, you have to ask how an ethereal phenomenon could adhere to a series of strict laws if it were merely a hallucination?

Since I had no prior experience, and no special beliefs regarding an external power source, I am able to take the experience as it occured and then ask why each of the unique and specific events did occur.  When I do this, I come back to an already scientifically defined set of principles that describe not only the behavior of this external array, but traditional, physics-based, electromagnetic-waveforms.  Since this occurs however on an ethereal level, it must be looked at through the lense of an etheeal phenomenon.  However, because the laws are generally unknown to the public (requiring special scientific knowledge) there is no reason to expect that hallucination would allow the universal manifestation of these universal prinicples.

The jolt was one of the really completely unexpected events.  It is impossible to know that such an event is going to happen because the extremely powerful flow of energy is well outside one's realm of experience. It was so much stronger than anything I had ever felt before.  An electric socket does not do justice.  Yet electricity flows because of polarities and the laws governing electrons, protons and atoms.  Electricity must also flow through a conduit and the Vehram energy uses the ethereal body as a conduit.  Why would this occur to anyone who touches it, unless it is a universal response which can only be the result of a "real" set of principles - a real stimulus?

So in the case of the Vehram Array, you have an ethereal energy being generated at precise locations that are universal for all of us, each orb being the location of an ambiant radiation which emantes from a central core of ethereal plasma.  (Plasma is also described by non-subjective scientific principles and are mirrored by the behavior of the central core as described by the interaction between it and the ethereal body - the jolt- a plasma is always ionized and therefore has a polarity)

The unique reaction of making contact with these points is a universal reaction of extreme ethereal shock of such an intensity that one cannot maintain contact with the source.  The forced reaction of withdrawl of the ethereal appendage from the vicinity of the source is a non-subjective event.  Hallucination would not allow for universal display of these uncontrollable aspects of this energy system.

The title of this thread was stated as such because the Vehram Energy System does offer validation in the case for anyone who has no prior knowledge, like myself, upon the initial contact. And in my case, I have been able to describe these events.  Taken in full context of the specificity of the events that followed, we can see that they adhere to a strict set of pre-defined principles.  For this reason, I had to preclude the event from being the product of hallucination.

So when I come to a conclusion that the event was real, it is the same thing to say that my separation from my body was not a hallucination.

I know this is a really complex subject matter and while I do have the benefit of having lived the experience, it still took literally years for me to wrap my own head around it.

I just always come back to the question, "How could a universal set of principles be the product of hallucination?" I don't think it can be.  I don't think others would get the "vibrational surge" and that this would serve specifically to enable them to separate, in conjunction with the other universal qualities as described unless this is in fact a "real" phenomenon.

Much scientific testing obviously still needs to be done.  this discovery is practically an unknown, but hopefully sharing this information, and others being able to experience this energy system, will help that process along.  The scientific community should be listening and eventually will take note.  But what I want to say to everyone is, "this is how it can be verified."

Again, explore the site at www.vehram.com - It is much more detailed and the information is freely posted. For those that have and continue to support the project, you make it possible to share this in the first place.

One thing I would point out about sleep paralysis, also referred to as the hypnagogic-state, is that this is precisely the point from which you CAN separate, but only if the vibrations are present.  Some use alternate techniques to achieve AP, and I do not dismiss those processes.  I wish I could project without going into hypnagogia as others report, but that is not the way I developed my ability.  Much is still to be learned on the various ways in which consciousness achieves focus outside the physical body.

While in sleep paralysis, simply pull the energy from the Vehram Array into your body and you will feel the onset of the vibrational surge.  From here simply lift out.

I also think it is premature to say that the system is inaccessible from any other state as anyone with the ability to manipulate their chi should also be able to utilize this energy - but much research is still to be done in this area as well.  This is one of my main areas of focus at present.  It has only recently come to my attention that one may utilize this energy for kundalini practices and because care should be exercised in that regard, I am conducting this exploration in a slow methodical process.  What I have learned so far has been very promising and I would love to have an exchange of ideas with someone more developed in either of these areas.

One possible reason for our ability to explore this more easily from the hypnagogic-state is simply that consciousness is more focused in the ethereal wavelength than what most people (myself included) are able to garner in their waking state.

The last point I would make is that if anyone has outright dismissed this energy system, beware.  It is virtually impossible to have a valid perspective on something for which one has no experience.  I happen to think that anyone who takes the time to explore this for themselves will be able to verify it.  Keep in mind that I was not the first person to interact with this array.  That honor belongs to Robert Monroe, (the ram in Vehram) although he was not aware of a "system" comprising several points.  My first interaction with this system was with the point out to the left and this led to an unravelling of the entire system. Many others have since been able to validate it for themselves, a number of whom have posted in this forum.

There are specific principles governing our ability to separate from the physical body and because they relate to the physical condition they must also relate to physics.  Once outside the physical realm, obviously a new set of principles begin to take over.  You appear to make an argument that physics is non-spiritual when in fact the physical universe is simply an extension of the spiritual.

Every time you talk about energy you are talking about something non physical yet you want to make it conform to physical laws.

Energy is not necessarily "non physical."  The actual scientific definition is "the ability to do work."  What we generally refer to as "energy" is actually scientifically termed "electromagnetic waveforms" and they do abide by specific laws as mentioned.  The idea that I am communicating is that the Vehram Energy System abides by similar laws, as observed in the unique interactions that occur between it and the ethereal body.

I never intended to imply that the laws are hard-core physics, only that they are similar.  I generally use the term "ethereal physics" and perhaps should have been a little more careful in my post. These principles should only be applied to the ethereal body and its interface with the physical system.

The laws of gravity would not necessarily have that much affect on the ethereal body as any mass that it may contain is extremely low. (There have been experiments conducted that reported a slight decrease in weight upon death, suggesting the ethereal body may have a mass). Once beyond the ethereal level, even ethereal based physics wouldly be off the table.

You have also not addressed the question of whether radiant energy is the product of thermodynamics and the fact that the Vehram system does have an ambient radiation emanating from the individual centers.  My simple argument here is that this is a universal attribute that others can use to validate their own experience.

Mostly I find your comments negative and dissmisive, which are reflective of a most unconstructive attitude toward the phenomenon and indeed should not even garner a response.

Keep pretending you know anything and keep selling your books.

If this were just about selling books, then I would not post all the information freely on the site.  Explore the subject matter and do your own experimentation.  That was the whole purpose behind sharing the discovery and the principles behind it.  The only thing you will find in my guide that is not posted on the site is my personal story and the method that I use to induce my own oobe's - much of which is shared on this site under related posts.

Skepticism has a place in science only so far as to maintain non-bias.  When it serves to outright dismiss ideas then it is no longer scientific.  Maintain an objective point of view.  Nowhere is this more important than in astral projection where mind and belief have real power to influence one's reality.

By the way, if I am wrong about the principles mentioned above, please explain.  As Albert Einstein once said about thermodynamics, "It is the only physical theory of universal content which I am convinced will never be overthrown, within the framework of applicability of its basic concepts."

One of the biggest objectives for oobe practitioners is to achieve validation.  I have seen a number of posts on this topic and other questions about the vibrational energy.  To have a full understanding of how the Vehram System offers validation for the reality of spiritual separation requires a little knowledge about physics, and quantum physics in particular, but it all comes down to the concept that energy behaves according to a set of principles that are already defined in science, and which would not be represented in a hallucinatory phenomenon.

Without getting into a too-highly technical discussion, the basic premise is that all forms of energy obey the laws of thermodynamics, two of which are of particular importance with regards to the observed behavior of the Vehram Energy System and its interaction with the ethereal body: - the first law is conservation of energy and the second law being the law of entropy.  Conservation of energy means that energy does not disappear or vanish - it may change forms but within a closed system, energy is conserved.

One of the consequences of conservation of energy is that ambient (radiant) energy dissipates in its intensity with regard to the square of the distance from its source.  This means that all forms of radiant energy can be measured in strict accordance with the "inverse square principle" that states that half the distance closer to a source will result in an increase of intensity equal to four times the amount.  This is why the closer you are to a fire the hotter it feels.

The ambient energy of the Vehram System also follows this rule and so represents a measurable phenomenon others can validate for themselves.  Simply reach outside your body while in the hypnagogic-state with your ethereal hand, feel the radiance of energy emanating from the Vehram Array's individual orbs, and notice what happens as you get closer to the center. You will feel an exponential increase of intensity the closer you get.

The second law, the law of entropy, states that within a closed system, order gives way to chaos and not the other way around.  Temperature, which is a measurement of entropy because the faster the particles are moving the less order they are said to have, is one way of demonstrating this principle.  Heat moves toward cold which is why an ice-cube next to a fire melts instead of the flame freezing.

The interaction between the Vehram System and the ethereal body demonstrates the law of entropy in that the vibrational energy that enters the body disperses throughout the ethereal body - seeking a state of equilibrium, and in doing so creates more entropy throughout the ethereal body. An example of how this law would be broken is if entrance of ethereal energy within the ethereal body resulted in a weakening of the vibrations or if the absence of vibrations within the ethereal body caused the Vehram System to no longer generate ethereal energy.

The real point here is that hallucinatory phenomenon do not require an adherence to established laws of physics.  One may wonder why an ethereal phenomenon would.  I happen to think that whatever laws account for the interface of the ethereal with the physical requires a marriage of similar principles between the two.  Many have noted that once free of the physical body, the ethereal body may also be discarded and it is at this point that we are no longer in a physics based realm.  At the very least, something can be said of our ability to exist outside the body in terms of our basic nature being more than just physical.  If the out-of-body experience is a real separation, then so too is our experience out of the body.  The Vehram System represents a set of hard-core principles that prove our separation is real.

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