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Do you know the most efficient way to use lucid dreams as a jumping board into OBEs?  As far as I know waking yourself up(making sure it is not a fake wake-up) after lucidity and then without a single movement it is easier to seperate from your physical body.  Do you know any other method?  I appreciate if you can help me about this matter.

 Love and Light,
  Gorkem.

Have you ever seen things in your OBEs which you would not know by any chance and after ending your OBE checked to see if they are really there?  I think that is the main point which will shut all mouths saying "OBEs are definitely lucid dreams"(even one of the best-known scientists in lucid dreaming, Stephen LaBerge says this) or "Science says there is no spirit no after life, everything occurs in the brain".  It is a big tragedy to think that not being able to explain something with our current scientific knowledge makes it not being able to "be".  This is not a scientific approach.  Why do not those "scientist"s take an experienced OBEer and test if s/he can see what is behind a wall?  Has not this simple thing which will prove OBE been done for all of these years?  I think Mr. Bruce and other experienced OBEers should make a comment on this question of mine and enlighten people.  I know that in some institutes' experiments, they even check if it is the skill of telepathy or OBE by putting a letter behind a special glass.  Glass shows the letter different, so when you look at the letter it seems different.  I think the answers given to my question will be the proof of OBE is a real phenomenon and we are not only physical entities.  Thank you and keep the faith.

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

For the sake of privacy, it is crucial to know, if there is a way, to prevent other OBEers get in your house and watch you.  Has anyone thought about it?  I would be very glad if Mr. Bruce made a comment on this.  It is really annoying to know that somebody may be watching you while you are having sex, having shower or whatever you are doing in privacy.

 Love and Light,

   Gorkem.

I previously wrote that Krishnamurti said "everything occurs in the brain".  I recently read that he said "Mind are brain are completely two different seperate things"  I apologize from you and him about my misunderstanding.
I also have a thing to say to skeptics.  Think about this deeply : Would you be able to explain "gravity" to prehistorian people?  Gravity was always real and still is and always will be.

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

Yes Tisha, that was exactly my point.  There is curiousity in people and people whom I know may visit me in their OBEs.  My inconvinience is not because I am doing bad things at home, but because I like my privacy and most of the time I am on my own alone reading spritual books, relaxing, meditating, exercising,etc.  To be honest it would be a real shame for me if they see me mast.rbating, for example.  It is just a bad feeling you know.  As another example, I am thinking seriously to visit my ex-girlfriend, to see if she is fine and of course because I miss her.  I do not like to disturb her privacy however, I may find her in a bad position who knows  I am planning to do this for purely good intentions, to see how she looks.  Her life is her life, period.  So another person may think the same things for me and then come up and see me in different positions than their expectations.  It is just that feeling that annoys me about that subject.  If there is really a way to prevent it, it would be really better.

It is true when you wake up yourself from a lucid dream (make sure it is not a fake wake-up) you sometimes are about to seperate from your physical body.  Other than waking yourself up and then trying to seperate, do you know an efficient way to use lucid dreams as a jumping board into OBE?  I always wanted to learn this since I tend to have many lucid dreams.  I am going to ask this in the forum as a new topic too.  Thank you.

 Love and Light,
  Gorkem.

I respect and adore you Mirador.  I just could not see the relation between my topic and what you wrote previously.  Children tend to have more pyschic abilities and continue to have unless parents tell them they should stop remembering their previous lives, talking to imaginary friends, having OBEs, etc.  Knowing that psychic abilities are as normal as athletic abilities is being on the right track.

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

That sounds logical, but it is hard to be always afraid and paranoid every moment.  I just wonder why other expert people in this forum do not make any comment on this issue.  Still waiting from Mr. Bruce, patiently...

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

Thank you for the useful information Tisha.  I do not see that person for the last two years, but she used to visit her own house really very very far away while being in the university campus, so her family was afraid of her I do not think she used this skill for naughty purposes, as you say people whose energy levels increase that much won't even attempt for those kind of things.  But there might be exceptions of course.
 The girl I loved with the true meaning in my life (last 2 months) is a naturally born pyschic.  She has not done anything to improve it.  She can hear what you think, see auras, etc.  She has not done astral projection however.  Even if she could do OBE I would not be annoyed by her presence.  I wrote about her because her abilities inspired me and changed my life.  I know we have a strong relationship in our karma.  You too do not be afraid to date with people who have those kind of traits like you do.  It is actually lots of fun and harmony.
 
 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

Mirador what is the relation?  Please let us make related comments on the topics.  Let us tell each other the OBE experiences which proved to ourselves that we are immortal.  Maybe people who do not believe will think about it one more time after reading those.  Let us help each other.

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

Who knows what an individual might do when s/he develops an ability?  We are all human-beings, we might visit an ex-girl friend's house or use OBE for evilish purposes.  I know a person who uses OBE to visit houses, etc.  That is another issue.  Please let us help each other.  My question was if there is a way to prevent that, not "how I can become not annoyed by the presence of other people in my house".  My point is not to overcome this, I would like to learn theoretically if there is a way to do it.  I hope I made it clear now.  By the way, if the OBEer gets into my house by any chance he would be the one who will have "ego" and "self-esteem" problems after seeing me naked. []

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.

Yes, I am also aware of the fact that there are expert projectors like Frank and Ginny in the forum.  All I wanted to do is to attract Mr. Bruce's attention too because we cannot see him make a comment often.  People, like me, who wonder how to prevent an OBEer get in your house and watch you, would be really very glad if those expert OBEers share their ideas with us about this subject.  I think privacy is a crucial issue and we do not have to share our private lives with other people since it is "private".  Expert OBEers it is your turn..

Love and Light,
 Gorkem.

Yes Grey, I have also read that experiment from Mr. Tart's website.  The point is that the OBEer in the experiment was a lady who knew nothing about OBE.  She just used to have OBEs without her will at nights.  She succeeded only at the last night.  If s/he was an experienced OBEer at anytime any moment s/he could prove OBE is an objective reality.  "Scientist"s should have the courage and will to use an experienced OBEer in their experiment and see by their own eyes that what they assumed for a long time a "myth" is a "reality" just like any ordinary thing in the world.  If they do not do this, then that means they are definitely prejudiced, a trait a scientist cannot have.  There are even serious rumors that CIA has used experienced OBEers.  OBE should actually be used for universally good purposes which will help mankind improve themselves spritually and intellectually.  It is a pity that NASA does not regularly use experienced OBEers for exploring space and universe.

 Love and Light,
   Gorkem.