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Greetings, all!

New guy here.  I have had a long time interest in OBEs, but never had one.  I found this site after the Art Bell program and began reading the OBE tutorials.

I'm comfortable with shamanic journeying.  I've had several lucid dreams over the years, but they were limited in scope.

I tried the exercises and went into a deeper state than that of journeying.  Worked on the rope thing and didn't get out, but felt some sense of partially detaching.  Vague really, but there.

The thing I was wondering about is that my arms, legs, and torso started twitching a lot.  I *NEVER* have that happen during journeying.  It is not like what I've read about "vibrations" so I'm wondering what that was.  Is it a sign that I'm going in the proper direction for OBE?  The shaking was not alarming, and didn't distract me from my intentions.

I also got a real sense of my lower first chakra really opening...Letting Go would be a better way to describe it...and maybe the 2nd chakra too.  Very kewl techniques, with intense results.  This felt like some of the stuff that happened in a Tantra class I took a couple of years ago.  Kundalini energy working here too? interesting!

I was very very relaxed and mellow after the attempts (it was a 30 minute session and I did the rope thing 3 tries).

I went to the kitchen for a glass of water, sat down, looked outside at the trees, and in my minds ear I could hear them singing!  That was  very nice, and also was a sign to me that this is a good and powerful set of techniques.  I've "spoken" with the trees and plants a lot, but this was just lovely.

Anyway, sorry for prattling on, but I hope its my way of saying "thanks! this is something I really wish to pursue".

Oh, and hey Two Bears....I know you'll reply...it is great to find another "bear person".  It is my pleasure to meet you and I've enjoyed reading your posts.

Any and all advise is welcomed and greatly appreciated, friends.

TIA,

White Bear


Edited by - White Bear on 26 February 2002  10:30:25

Daniel,

If I remember correctly Joe McMoneagle, a very accomplished remote viewer and author, uses the hemi-synch tapes.  He says it gets him through his pre RV preparation quicker, I believe.  It's been a while since I've read his book so my recall is sketchy.  Also, I think he married Robert Monroe's daughter.

I used to own the entire Gateway cassette tape set.  The binaural beat effect is quite valid.  As others have said, it just gets you to a state you can get yourself, but in less time.

I became impatient with the Gateway tapes and sold them.  Kinda wish I had them now that my interest in OBE has rekindled.  *sigh*

Lorax,

Disturbing, but not a threat...assuming you've done the typical protection of yourself prior to any contact with guides.

They have a way of doing "big actions" to get your attention.

Unless they've said it specifically, they are not mad at you.  The truth lies somewhere closer to you were frightened by their actions.  

I recently had a "spat" with one of my guides.  Turns out he was right and I was waaay off base.  The "spat" was an intentional thing to get me to see a personal shortcoming.  They had my best interest in mind all the time.

I've never had my guides get physical with me in the way you described. I hope some day to really see them, as one sees anything else in the mundane world.  But I'm also scared of that happening, though less so as of recently.  I need to surrender more....then it may happen.  However, I have a rich relationship with them in the spirit worlds.

I hope to have OBE's some time in the near future, then I could better describe the difference in the "states".  As it is, I know nothing of the OBE realm.

I hope this helps.  Hang in there, and trust your guides (again, I assume you've gone through proper self protection and proper introduction with your guides).

Love,

White Bear

Rugby149,

OBE might not be the best place to meet guides.  You need to get to the spirit realms, which is easy.  I also have the inner debate about guides vs. inner knowledge vs. collective consciousness vs. etc, etc, etc.  

BOTTOM LINE:  if the metaphor works, run with it.  There is always going to be more mystery than answers.

If you cannot bring yourself to be able to accept that there are spirit guides, then you probably ought to quit half-heartedly trying for them.  They wont come.  Let it alone for a while...come back when you've learned more about it or you've decided it isn't for you.  They'll still be helping you, they just wont bother you with conversations. *chuckle*  However, whey you're talking "guides" you're talking "shamanism".  Not that you have to make any big change in your practiace.  It's just that you are in that ballpark.  If you told me that what I wanted to know lay in the rules of Rugby, wouldn't you expect me to at least learn the game a little?

Love,

White Bear

Hi rugby149,

>>Does anyone have any first hand experience of spirit guides or helpers as i have tried to contact mine for two years with no response.

Is this a myth or are they a bit choosey who they help.<<

Yes, I have a lot of experience.  No it is not a myth.  Choosey may not be the right word.  You can and will meet your guide(s), but you'll only meet the ones that are appropriate for you at a given time.

Two years is a long time to try with no results.  Have you heard of Michael Harner's book "The Way of the Shaman" or his website? http://www.shamanism.org

Ted Andrew's book "Animal Speak" has some great info in it as well as detailed steps for entering the spirit world and contacting a guide.

Tell me more about what you've read and how you've been attempting to make contact and perhaps I can help you along the way.  It might be that you are just a step, or a concept away from your goal.

Regards,

White Bear