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There are a lot of formulations based on the spirituality of the astral realms, but nothing is for certain. To say that all living things have an astral body otherwise they cannot move, and things related to that in nature are complete hypothesis, until proven otherwise.

Monroe had different ides about the astral realms as Robert Bruce, so to say anything definitively is not necessary or logical.

But then again there is no real truths to it all anyways, it seems that this metaphysics is quite separate from physics.

Ideas area always welcome . And thanks for comments.

Certainly there is a relation to Implicate and Explicate order of David Bohm (if your not familiar look it up!) and quantum entanglement. However the interesting thing is, a given intention (wanting something) can lead to a synchronicity events with a higher probability. However the problem there is, is there meaning behind it? Well, if nature itself has no intelligence than it can't comprehend our intention. It makes you wonder about all of it.

But the dream thing is interesting. Personally I tend to think dreams aren't all the hype. People take things way to far and associate all possible mysteries about he world and weave them together into a hideous quilt. I hope you understand the metaphor.

If you remember the dream let me know, Synchronicity is undeniable, but the spirituality of it can be contested.

-Royal Gambit

And as far as supporting an afterlife belief, in Book religions animals cannot comprehend sin, and cannot wipe it away.

I for one think that death is a form of meditation, a mindset. That mindset is initiated by dying.

In similar topics, it is unlikely but possible i suspect that animals do not have the near death experience either. When an animal is near death/ dying do you guys think they COULD have an OBE?

Ok, first of all, sleep paralysis is a defense mechanism that STOPS things from moving in their sleep. The guy from Lucidology 101 mentioned that dogs run in their sleep (and what you said above), as do we some times. He could very well be wrong, he isn't a scientist. I tend to think that no animal's brain is developed enough for spirituality.

Animals can be in the astral sure, that really doesn't mean anything. I am sorry if im not making myself clear enough. In the christian heaven animals do not have a spirit, and will not earn their way there (this can be debated i suppose), but there are animals there as well.

My main point is if an animal has that option of physical realty - whether they can get there themselves or not. My previous point was that if they don't have sleep paralysis then its unlikely that their mind has the ABILITY to leave their body. Perhaps in this way humans evolved a spirit, or everlasting life. 

If we see an animal in the astral that does NOT mean that it is an animal living on earth. We can see people in the astral that are not living on earth at the moment, ect.

Thank you guys again for your comments. This topic is quite interesting.

very important note: I have heard that many animals (dogs especially) do not have sleep paralyasis. If all animals do not have sleep paralyasis, perhaps they have no astral? It would make sense, and would support many afterlife beliefs.

Comments are greatly welcome.

Yes many believe that the state of sleep is astrally related, but then again the sleep state is not nearly related to an afterlife state.

As far as reincarnation goes, I know quite a bit about the topic, but quite frankly, I cannot trust just any one who speaks from their own supernatural knowledge, since it can very soo much from NDE studies (different culture and religion literally change the outcome of mindset/afterlife).

Ok enough with that though, lets get down to earth on what matters here: The physical reality astral dimensions of consciousness are genuinely related to the mind surviving death. Even if one believes in reincarnation, that does not mean that an individual does not receive an afterlife. If it did, than you can flush down the toilet all the knowledge that came from NDEs, and if you do that, what do we have left?!

Im sorry if i get off topic, but I just had an idea rather recently, is it possible that organisms (through evolutionary means) reincarnate BEFORE they reach 'prefection' rather until they repent upon a christian/jewish/islamic take? I like to think of it as, reincarnation until understanding or the creator.

Yes they have scientifically induced OBEs on humans, but animals are far different. The fact that OBEs can be scientifically induced does not make them any less mystical or 'afterlife related'

Speaking of which, most religions do not allow an afterlife for animals. If afterlife is real, certainly the astral dimensions (I try not to use this word for the sake of mixing it up with geometric dimensions in theoretical physics, but it seems most people use this) are very closely linked to an afterlife state, where DEATH is a form of meditation - (quote myself?)

Thank you for your input sir, and I would love to get lots of feedback particularly pertaining to the boundary between astral/afterlife/ and whom is available of which.

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Ok I want to keep this rather broad, but the main question is: with or without personal religious beliefs, do you think that a monkey, or any other animal has the capability of manifesting the astral realms. Now I don't mean if they can physically by themselves, but rather if they are open to the astral realms as we are. 

Things to consider: (Future) Scientifically inducing an OBE on a monkey
                           Afterlife beliefs/ Soul beliefs
                           The comprehension of a God
                           What exactly induces the astral in physics
                           Evolution

When we consider the difference between a human and a monkey, what comes to mind? The comprehension of a deity .

Perhaps there is more to it than we thought.

Obviously we have gotten a bit off track

I have pondered this question once before and its a bit of a doozie of a question, here is why:

First of all, what most people don't understand is that spirits with a good identity, we will go under assumption that all spirits are of similar form (race), tell us nothing but the things that matter. They can tell us there is eternal life, there is a god, not to sin, compassion, love , ect.

When we ask ourselves, what is useful? Surely nothing interpersonal is useful. Anything I could ask for in a greedy fashion is downright silly. Something like healing knowledge is very useful, and has been given to quite a few.

Ok the big one, where is the cure for cancer? Well, quite honestly I dont think I have ever met a person who asked for it. Professor Howard Storm, very famous man these days got all of his questions answered by a christian angel. Since I am sure there are many different religions on this forum I wont go into too much detail, but time and time again we hear stories of prayer healing things. If faith is all a person needs to live their <100 year life, and staying unselfish. Then it becomes quite obvious: All knowledge that we need to know is already here (within your religious texts), NDEs, because anything pressing another definition of useful is likely to be selfish.

David Herzog can cure. I can cure. Faith can cure...

If someone comes up with an intelligent 'useful' information, I will take this a bit more seriously.

Thanks, and great topic

Thank you very much for the comment

I have tried repeating somethings, and i think i might give that another try. Usually I mix that in with whatever I am doing. I have done something similar to try to get lucid dreams, and that never worked . However the funny thing is I eventually had lucid dreams by complete accident.

I am going to use binarual beats ASAP as soon as i get an mp3 player.

As far as my process goes, I usually first just meditate to unwind. Hypnogigic lights usually come pretty fast. After that I concentrate on my 3rd eye, but not too much. I do this until i start 'sleep twitching'. This almost sleep state should do the trick. Then i just completely mellow out until i get that " I dont want to stop meditating/sleep" feeling, similar to being able to stay in bed when your tired. My problem is I dont know if this is a dead end, or is there something else?

I never get vibrations from this, usually the vibrations just come by accident somehow when I wake up from a 2 second doze off.

Last night I read SteelHawks 24 hour method, and I like the idea, i will have to give that a try too.

I eat pretty healty, but my sleeping pattern is w.a.c.k.,
You see I am trying to OBE for the validity of its realness. I have setup a chess position on my chess board so If i ever get to see it in an OBE i will varify. I am not a meditation expert, and honestly I have been only doing it for 3 months now, but I have a lot of time because I am young, and I have been trying vigorously.

Thank you for your comment.

I am new here and have heard some good things about this website. As of lately I have been trying without end to have an AP. My gun is loaded but I cannot fire. Here is what I have so far:

I once induced sleep paralysis by waking up on it, and after its pass had a vibrational (cell phone intensity) for an amazing 35 minutes. I was trying to deeper my meditation because I heard the advice that it is the states after vibrations that you should try to project, but the vibrations never ended.

I've tried numerous things, have had rapid fire lucid dreams (multiple in 1 night), tinggling sensations, and everytime I try an exit methods (many have been tried, I prefer a swing set or hammock) it never seems to work. All popular methods of exiting have been tried, I think my problem lies somewhere else.

I have tried flat out meditative phasing, but it doesn't work, and usually results in naps . I have gotten to a point where I wasn't even sure if i was awake or not. The feeling of 'enjoyment' of sleep came about and I believe I could not possibly be closer to falling asleep. But nothing.

Help is greatly appreciated, what comes around goes around. I am glad to be part of the forums, and have a lot of knowledge on metaphysics, quantum physics, and spirituality.