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I don't think it does.  I think it did on the old forums though.

Thanks for answer.

This is a topic that everyone has a right to know about and should not be discouraged.  Quite Frankly, it's a drop in the bucket what should be known here, but I know the moderators do not allow such posts even though it is appropriate for "Bugs Reports and Questions".  People can PM me if they want to know.  Until then I'll be at the authentic Bruce Roberts forum under the same username since I can no longer be responsible for the content of my posts due to editing.

Peace & Love,
Paul

I'm not sure what you are saying, and I think you should PM Adrian with your concerns.  No sense in trying to start a riot for no reason.

Thanks,
Nay

I'm sorry you see it as such.  So you're more inclined to hide the past from others.  I believe my question is legitimate for "Bug Reports and Questions"

Paul

Hello,

I've been posting at this forum for years, but learned of unfortunate events at this web site.  Regardless if they are true I would like to know what happens if a naughty moderator of admin edits my posts.  Will the post display the "edited" text?

Thanks,
Paul

Hi BillionNamesofGod,

Have you tried Monroes HemiSync?  It seems like it may be the ticket for some people.

Paul

Hi mactombs,

This seems to suggest that in order to project you need to develop an ethereal body made out of chi. Not so.

Did you really interpret my words that way?  I'm just curious.  It's like I am in a parallel universe when posting at this site, lol.  No offense.  Development ***helps***  Just like you can force your engine to rotate without oil inside, but oil sure makes it better.

Paul

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Heelo Stookie,

I think we see more on common ground.  I love to read other theories and opinions but sometimes the other person is so far away in consciousness that for me it is like looking into a kaleidoscope.

I know what you are saying about first developing yourself before looking for such mystics.  Perhaps I got lucky because as you know the teachers do say that the student must first be ready.  On the other hand, that inner drive in me to search for this person was so strong that I couldn't ignore it.

Such mystics could indeed force you to have an obe, but you are correct in that they would not do such a thing.  It could cause damage to your energy system and such.  I don't think they want to help you do it.  Rather, they want to help you help yourself.  You've heard to old saying, "Give me a fish, feed me for a day. Teach me to fish, feed me for a lifetime."

There are a lot of different Rosicrucian organizations.  Personally I merely interested in the information, not all of that initiation stuff.  Yes, it is as easy as signing up, but the organizations are ran by non-initiates.  I know they call themselves initiates, but I am told that a real initiate will not refer to him or herself as such.  I see all of the initiation ceremonies as religious.  There are a lot Rosicrucian organizations that do not do that ceremonial stuff.  Max Heindel never did that stuff.  He would never promote anyone to a 1st degree initiate.  True initiations are an expansion, a real change in your bodies and spiritual development.

Peace,
Paul

IequalMC2,

First, that green text is really hard to read, lol.  I just press Ctrl A on my keyboard to make it easier to read.

I am learning what personalities types are advantageous to converse with.  What I've learned is that when two people's view on life so different that it does very little good to try and meet on common ground.  I think that perhaps you and I are like that.  Truthfully, I think that we would have to write back and forth so much before we would see eye to eye / common ground that it would fill up an encyclopedia, lol.  According to your answers, you said No for the last two.  Meaning, you do not believe there are people incarnated in the flesh who have such mentioned abilities.  Right off the bat we have a massive disagreement.

To that effect, we just really disagree in a big way.  In fact, we seem to be so different that there are massive misconceptions taking place between our replies.  For example, you wrote "so you decided to demonstrate, your freewill, by bringing up the K word, and warning me and anyone else that Karma can't be overcome."  For the life of me IequalMC2, I cannot even begin to understand why you would say that because it is the farthest from what I have said.  I never once said Karma can't be overcome.  Either you are speed reading my posts or I just do not see where you are coming from.  I think we are just very different personalities.  I do not think it is wise for me to correct the other things that you believe I said.

That being said,  I truly hope we can agree to disagree.

Peace,
Paul

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Hi,

I'm just curious if that information is something you just designed on your own?

Abstract Mind and Concrete Mind as it is written are both reflections of the same thing, its one big mirror to look at ourselves. Not one is above the other.

The word Above in mysticism usually means "higher in vibration."  Not that you said it, but I just wanted to clarify that abstract and concrete thoughts have nothing to do with physical brain.  They are part of the Menal unit, which is a body of energy in a higher realm than your Astral and Etheric bodies.  Real mystics have divided the mental realm into seven areas.  Additionally there is also two very distinct areas-- the Abstract and concrete.  Abstract thought is in the higher half of the  mental realm and concrete the lower half.

Intuition is the use of the concrete mind and the abstract mind combined. You have to know your concrete mind, to make connections with the abstract mind.

No offense but this really sounds like a theory you designed.  The information I am referring to comes from very adept beings who are liberated off the reincarnation cycle.  You could call them super human beings.
Intuition comes from yet an even higher realm beyond the Mental realm.  Truthfully Brad, Intuition really doesn't have much to do with the Mental unit.  The Intuition is reflected in the Astral / Desire / Emotional body.  As you know, the Astral body is where our emotions come from.  That is why emotions and intuition are so related.  Most intuitive people will say as example "I am feeling that your grandfather will recover soon."  Also people say, "I have a gut feeling."  The Male on earth has a more powerful Physical body.  The Female has a more powerful Astral body.  Since intuition is reflected on the Astral / Emotional realm, that is why females on average are more intuitive than males.
Males are more focused on the Physical and Mental whereas females are more focused on the Astral / Emotional and Intuition.  That is why so many psychic men prefer the company of women because women *on average* have a higher vibration.  If every country in the world had a female as president then there wouldn't be all the wars.  Of course, there are some females that are not as focused on Emotional & Intuition.  If what you said were true then average male would be more intuitive than average female.


Maybe you and others here could answer a few questions for me.  It seems some people here relish, I mean really relish the idea of finding truth on their own.  Yes, obviously anyone can see why it would be so attractive.  Don't get me wrong.  I am a truth seeker, so in that sense I am seeking truth on my own.  What I mean is so many here want to create their own theories.  Although, can you people see where I am coming from?  I mean, for starters, don't you people really think that there might be people walking around today that have 24/7/365 continuity of consciousness?  FYI, continuity of consciousness is when someone never loses consciousness.  That is, when they go to bed, they simply slip out of body in full consciousness and remain conscious the entire time.  I am talking about people who could physically vanish right before your eyes or read your mind, etc.  Long ago I always had a strong gut feeling there were such people in society.  In fact, the gut feeling was so strong that I knew it!  So I began my trek early on in life.  I went and saw everyone from channelers to psychics.  I found most people to be sincere but not all that gifted.  I mean most were gifted to some degree.  After years of searching I finally found what I was searching for.  I found my answer.  So on a personal note, I know for a fact these mystics exist and they are walking around us in society.  And they are not the ones who advertise and try to prove their abilities to people.

Question 1, do you people have this intense inner gut feeling that such superhuman mystics walk amongst us in the flesh.

Question 2,  do you have the drive to find such people?

Question 3, don't you think such people have a better chance at finding the non-physical truths than you?  Again, such people = people who have continuity of consciousness, can project at will in seconds, can and have proven their obe's are real nearly 100% of the time and not self-created, who can teleport astral, etherically as well as physically.

Peace,
Paul

If I decided to create an astral location where people can inhabit forms I generate there, would the intentional ending of one of those forms also carry tremendous karmic debt?

People project into a group consciousness and create their own forms, but if you wanted to create a world and provide other people with a form then the form is your energy and you can do as you wish with that energy.  Same goes with your physical body.  Your higher self created your lower self and it has the right to do as it wishes with it, which will always be in your best interest.

The only reason I mentioned the murder of a billion lives is because you originally brought up such an absurd statement.

Actually it is not as absurd as you may think.  If you look into akashic records you should see that a very old civilization in Orion destroyed an entire planet in the Pleiades.  Of course this was long ago when the Pleiades was young.  Such an action now would be met with great force by the Pleiades, who are now very advance technologically.

We are speaking hypothetically here. Is Karmic debt only relevant to human beings, or do we accrue Karmic debt when we kill animals? Is that the same amount of debt or less? What if we kill insects? How much debt is that. Also, what if we kill plant life (which is a form of life), do we gain debt for that too? At what form of life do we stop accruing debt for? I am being serious with this question, so please answer it.

Yes.  I mentioned before that even when you move your finger you have created an energy pattern.  That is karma.  I hope you are not looking at karma as some debt or even punishment.  It is a way that all beings learn to be responsible for their actions.  You're not really going to notice much karma from just moving your finger, lol, but none the less that energy must be released somehow and you will not really notice it.  Karma is simply relative to your effect.  How to equate the life of an ant relative to a human is beyond me.  It is difficult enough to just calculate the effect from two oppositely charged particles.  I can tell you that there is less negative karma (what you would probably consider negative) when dealing with the animal kingdom than dealing with the human kingdom.  Further more, there is far less karma when dealing with the plant kingdom.

All I can say is that this does not agree with any of my and many other peoples findings. Monroe also didn't have any beliefs which seem remotely similar to this. He stated that Earth was an environment created by some beings to farm a form of energy produced through negative conditions. We curls decided to come and incarnate in beings which are formed here. My experience to date is along the lines of this

First, that seems vague.  I can think of numerous ways to interpret those words into what mystics are saying.  Monroe uses different lingo.  Second, I do not believe Monroe was a liberated being.  But getting past that, I said several things in your quote.  1. When you die, you go to the Etheric plane to heal and prepare for your new astral life.  2. That the astral body eventually dies.  3. Then you pass to the mental realms.  4. The rebirth starts over unless you have liberated yourself.  So do you actually believe your astral body lives for ever?  If so then you agree with #2.  Do you believe there is a place that people go after they die for rest and healing?  If so then you agree with #1.  What part do you disagree with?  You said Monroe believes earth was created by some beings.  The mystics I follow say the same thing.  You said that Monroe believes these beings farm a form of energy produced through negative conditions.  That really sounds like a very brief statement by Monroe that I am sure if you were to ask him to elaborate on that you would be surprised what he would say.  Yet again, I know Monroe did not reach the level of spiritual development that I require in a teacher.  That's just my own personal requirement.

Please do not get caught up on the murder issue. You brought up that topic so I replied but you seem to have ignored everything I have said on that issue. I think your attitude regarding suicide is totally irresponsible and fear mongering. Monroe stated indirectly that suicide was not a terrible act and no bad action would follow because of it.

You might want to show a direct quote of Monroe saying that.  I do not think Monroe would say such a terrible thing.

Well that totally disagrees with any scientific view of the universe. You state science yet you must ignore it's fundamental principles. Evolution is pure mindless mutation.

The universe is guided by higher beings.  Please, lets not even think that modern material scientists have the answers on that.  They can't even see the etheric planes much less the astral and higher realms.

The healthier mutations survive as they improve on some condition. There is no master plan in evolution, there is no goal. Evolution will continue forever mindlessly.

LOL, well you posed a claim with no backbone so I cannot comment on it.

Regarding the rest of the above, if you answered my question above, then that should be answered.

I believe that I have answered all of your questions.

To me the above sounds like a religious belief system and nothing more. I have not seen even an atom of evidence to suggest any of what you write. I have every belief that people who die will find their deities, but my experience would suggest that these deities are no true creator, they are possibly highly advanced thought forms given power and strength by the belief of their followers.

When you learn how to project and see correctly then you will get the answers to your questions.  Refer to my suggested tests.

What of the nonhuman life systems, the countless trillions of alien plants whose life and consciousness resembles nothing of our own? My problem with all this is that it is so human centred, its imagery is human, its logic and belief type is human and it encompasses only human knowns. Human existence, logic, ideologies are all just one of countless which exist throughout creation

You say that because you have not studied such teachings.  I have crammed a few ideas into your mind which normally takes years to learn.  There is no way you could possibly conceive a clear picture of what I am trying to tell you.  First, the Archangels cover just our solar system.  Ok?  Other solar systems have Archangels.  It is a process of spiritual evolution.  The Angelic kingdom covers just our planet.  Other planets have their own Angelic kingdom.  One problem that people such as yourself have is getting past the issues and problems that religions have posed on society over the 1000's of years.  That is not my problem.  I can only urge you and others to get past it and seek the truth.  I already have my personal proof.  I proved my obe's were real.  I found my teachers and they do not write and sell books and speculate on trivial questions that you and I are talking about.  They are at a level where such ideas are extremely simple to test and find the truth.  It is not my place to prove anything to you.  Surely you believe there are extraterrestrials that can travel to earth that have technology far beyond ours.  They do not land and prove things to Earth.  Surely you believe there is life after death.  They do not manifest and prove things to Earth.  Perhaps you should ponder why this is so.  I said Earth was a class.  It is not my place or anyone's place to prove anything to you.  All I suggest to everyone here is don't give up on the ideas I mentioned.  Don't give up on the idea that there are super human beings incarnated in physical bodies on Earth right now.  Yes, every group has their own lingo.  Every group has their own interpretation.  Yes, nobody has 100% accurate answers.  Yes, some groups do not even have 50% correct answers.  Consider this.  If an Archangel exists, then do you not think such a being could find more accurate answers then say Monroe or even a Mystic?

I cannot deny that you might have seen proof, but that is the nature of the astral, we interpret it through our own belief systems. If you believe in such things, that is what you will find.

What if I told you that there are groups of people who project every night and come back with the same memories in the flesh?  My biggest point here at astralpulse right now is that most projectors do create their own self illusions while projecting, but with time and effort that will go away.  Anyone can prove it to themselves.

Peace,
Paul

Hi BillionNamesofGod,

That's an interesting post.  While out of body I can that focus of concentration is the key to projecting to another place.  I don't know of any wormholes or black holes to get to anyplace.  It has been my experience that all places are a group consciousness.  If you can focus on that group, that energy which they created, then you go there.  That is of course presuming you have learned to raise your vibratory rate to that level of group consciousness.  For example, there are infinite places in the mental realms that most projects could not go to without the aid of a more advanced being.

Peace,
Paul

I think it's extremely naive to think "I farted in a guys salad in this life, so in my next life I will get my salad farted on". Karma is much more detailed and complicated than that.

Hi Stookie,

I think of Karma as only an energy pattern that we create for ourselves.  I see it as only energy.  If we die then even that small amount of energy such as you said "farting in a guys salad" is also carried on when the next life occurs.  I don't think our higher self cares if it is a little bit of energy or a whole lot.  In other words, there is not threshold where our higher self says, "Oh what the heck, I'll let the lower self get away with this one and I'll just throw away that energy."  I don't think it is the higher selves choice to just throw away energy.  That energy must go somewhere.  When we reincarnate, we continue on where we left off; i.e., the karmic energy is still there.  I firmly believe each person has a higher self and it is that higher self which is part of us.  Our higher self, which is part of us, must do something with that energy.

Peace,
Paul

Hello Pmlonline

Could you throw some light on the idea of concrete thought.  I mean I understand the idea of concrete ideas in terms of language, but what does it mean in a spiritual order?

Hello taoita

Basically concrete thought is the lower part of your mental unit and abstract thought is the higher part of your mental unit.  Concrete thought is the usual logical thinking.  Abstract though is higher form of though that many great people such as Tesla used.  On the other hand, this is not to be confused with Intuition.  The Intuition body is even higher than the mental body / unit.

I hope that helps,
Paul

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A few posts back I stated that karma is a self created condition and you said no it is not, it is a law created by a group consciousness. So which is it?

I don't see where I said that.  I believe that I clearly stated that the law of karma was created by the group consciousness as part of the universe.  I also stated that that our actions creates energy patterns and that is Karma.  There is a difference between the actual law and the effect.  For example, in modern science, the electric force is a law of the universe and an particular proton going by an electron is an effect.

A law by definition is a rule set which is enforced, and as you stated it is a law created by a group consciousness, then you are literally stating that karma is a rule set enforced by a group consciousness. how can an externally created law be an innate internal process?

It is not an externally created law.  Everyone created it, which includes you.  It is an agreement, not an entity or something.  It is something you, your higher and divine self agreed to.

Life as we know it on Earth is false. Earth is simply a belief system with no greater importance than an infinite other number of belief systems. if you believe Earth has some great importance then that is an Ego produced belief. "Where I am is important".

That's an odd statement.  I think everyone is important.  I see no ego in that.  Everyone is just as important.

Death is an impossibility, making someone exit a belief system is not a terrible act, that is what I said. You seem to be caught up in the human concepts of death rather than seeing Earth as a simple astral locale.

I even quoted you.  Here it is again, "The murder of a billion lives means nothing if one truly believes in the astral and the soul surviving death."  We all agree that you go to the Etheric and then the Astral when your physical dies.  If you murder somebody then you will have great karma, period.  It is not your decision to say when a person is to leave the physical plane.

Please tell me how it is possible to truly kill anything? I am not talking about this death construct built into this astral locale.

Death obviously means when a body no longer operates and dissipates into energy.  The physical can die.  Your astral also die.  When you die physically you go to the etheric planes for healing.  There you will be asleep for some time.  Then you pass on to the Astral.  There you will live for a while, say 150 years.  Then you pass on to the mental realms and eventually your higher self will recreate all of your bodies again and the rebirth process starts over UNLESS you have been liberated from the continuous cycle of reincarnation.  Being liberated means that you do not have sufficient karma on the physical plane and therefore you no longer need to reincarnate.

You say it is a law created by group consciousness, then you imply it is an innate part of everything.

Yes, I said it was a law that everyone agreed to.  Why do you think that is a contradiction?  When I say you, I am talking about your higher and divine self, but that is an entirely different topic.

Please answer this question: If I was in the astral and I put my arms around another being and I phased into another astral location with them, is this a terrible deed? THey have simply moved from one location to another.
Well even Monroe stated that he hopes one day humans will see this Earth life system for what it is, so if someone tires of life here, they could end their current physical life with the knowledge death holds no punishment. Are you saying Monroe is wrong here?

IMHO you are really confusing things to the point where it is dangerous for you.  Monroe wanted people to consider death a good thing!  OK?  He never wanted people to think that another being could murder someone and that is a good thing!  It is NOT your right to murder someone's physical or their astral.  Additionally I will tell you straight up that suicide is one of the greatest sins of all because that physical body was created by your higher self, that god part of you.  I am sorry, if you murder someone or commit suicide then that is a sure route to the lowest astral hells.  Again, read you statement, "so if someone tires of life here, they could end their current physical life with the knowledge death holds no punishment."  And also you said, "The murder of a billion lives means nothing if one truly believes in the astral and the soul surviving death."

The entire of creation is in a constant state of destruction and construction. So creation is bad due to its destructive methods? Death can be seen as destruction, yet it is essential to the continuation of life. I don't really know what you are trying to say here?

I posted on this topic some time ago.  The universe is always in a state of construction in totality.  The universe is always evolving in totality.  Long ago 1/3 of the Angelic kingdom fell.  That is prime example of the way of things.  The point is, most of the Angelic kingdom evolved; i.e., 2/3 evolved and 1/3 fell.  I believe the Universe is God.  I also believe that God in totality is good.  There is an old saying, "In order for the new to come forth, the old must be destroyed."  That is birth pains, also known as growing pains.  Evolution is about change for the good.  Yes you can view life in totality as good.  For any object of any size can view viewed as good / positive or bad / negative.  Again, if you consider all things, then yes it is good, in totality.  If you consider a particular part such as a star exploding, then if the process is destruction then that by itself is not good.  You may frown on that idea, but you must know that there are various levels of good and bad.  For example, the actual physical material that makes up the star is not a highly evolved consciousness relative to you.  If you were to see the higher energies involved in that star explosion you would see there is a highly evolved life form.  On that level it is a new birth and that life form moves on to a great place.  So when considering the all realms then it may be a good thing.  Back to you example of murder.  It is not in the best interest to that life form to end its physical existence.  Your lower left is not spiritually evolved to make such decisions.  It is entirely up to that individual's higher self to decide when it is time to die physically, not yours.  When you murder some or commit suicide, you are not improving that person or yourself spiritually.

Edit: Where is this kingdom of fallen angels and does it have any relevance outside of those who do not follow Christianity? I would hate to even attempt a guess at how many beliefs and religions exist throughout the entirety of creation, do all the ones which do not have a concept of angel now become void?

As you know, the fallen Angelic Kingdom is not a religion and I hope you do not believe Christians created it.  There are many great beings in creation that are very real consciousness just as you are real.  For example, Lord Christ is not a made up being.  Lord Buddha is not a made up being.  Master Jesus is not a made up being.  At age 33 Master Jesus allowed Lord Christ to manifest for 3 years.  Master Jesus is a being that is part of the human kingdom.  Lord Christ is a being that is part of the Archangel kingdom.  At present, Lord Christ is the most spiritual evolved being of the Archangel kingdom.  Archangels are a little bit beyond our understanding.  They are so spiritually evolved relative you and I that they each are a group consciousness.  That is, they can split their consciousness into thousands of parts.
Billions of years ago, before earth was even created, there was another planet during the moon period.  Moon period is simply a name, a definition that was given to refer to the time when the Angelic kingdom was incarnating.  During the moon period there was an etheric planet.  This was when the Angelic kingdom was incarnating in the flesh.  It was not a physical flesh, but rather Etheric flesh.  The Angelic kingdom never incarnated in a physical body.  The etheric plane was their physical plane.  Then came a period that many have called the great judgment day.  It is an evolutionary jump in the planet and all the life forms that inhabit the planet.  For us it is called the peace period.  During the peace period there are certain requirements.  Now beings that will cause chaos or destruction will be allowed to incarnate during the peace period.  Earths peace period will begin in the mid 2020's.  After that point, highly negative humans will not be allowed to reincarnate on Earth.  After the 1000 years of peace, those beings will be given another chance.  If they continue their present destructive path then they will become the next demons for the Animal kingdom.  One day the Animal kingdom will evolve to a spiritual state where they will have minds and will be at our present level.  For those of the human kingdom that will fall, they will be left behind and will plague the Animal kingdom just as the present fallen Angelic kingdom plagues the human kingdom.
Where are the fallen angels?  They are in the etheric and astral planes.  They fell.  The other 2/3 thirds of the Angelic kingdom evolved spiritually.

These are things that you need to prove for yourself.  The out of body projections is a great place to start.  When you can prove to yourself with out a doubt that nearly 100% of the time you are not creating your own dream / self created world while out of body then you can begin to visit the astral akashic records and eventually the more accurate mental akashic records.  There you can view history for yourself.  You can study history.  You will be able to take classes while out of body.  You may visit the Hall of Records.  I am not asking you to take my word.  My whole point here at astralpulse is to get people to be open for new ideas and to prove it for themselves and to consider that there are beings who have done so that you may learn from and consider their teachings.  There may be 99% fake mystics out there that make money off others.  But I found my proof and know there are real mystics.  For those people who are ready, there will be that mystic who is very much willing to help those help themselves.

Peace,
Paul

Belief in responsibility for actions does not equal Karma which implies an external entity (note I did not say being) dominating a person and forcing a punishment upon them.

Karma is not an entity or a being.  It is an energy that you create.  The moment you do something then you instantly create an energy pattern.  That energy pattern is now part of you until it is released.  When and how that energy is released is dependent upon many forces in your life.  Punishment?  I am sorry if people think God or the Universe plays sick jokes, but it is by their own doing that it takes place.

The murder of a billion lives means nothing if one truly believes in the astral and the soul surviving death.

Yikes!!!  I hope the FBI doesn't read your post.  IMHO that is a very sad belief system.  You just justified your and anyone's actions to take away lives.  Read your post again PLEASE.  You said it is "means nothing" if the murderer believes in such and such.  A life is one of the most sacred gifts by God.  Your entire lower self (physical, etheric, astral, concrete mind) was created by the God consciousness.  It is not your right to take away your own life much less the lives of others.

If I play a game with my children and one of them loses and is 'out', should I be punished for that?

It is not my place to break you away from such thought.  All I can do is restate it over and over.  Again, it is not punishment and it is not an outside thing that does what you call punishment.  It is an energy pattern that the CHILD created, nobody else.  They did it.  It is part of the laws of universal physics.  Science discovered the law a long time ago.  Long ago we were all one-- one group consciousness, everything.  Then we decided to forget and descend into a new creation and so-called separate.  Karma was created so that all individuals could make it back home / the group.  Without the law of cause and effect there would be 100% total chaos.

Please note that I am not condoning murder of any sort.

You should probably go back and study your words.

Please tell me of a single level where energy does not consume other energy (be that animals eating animals, plants eating nutrients, man eating plants etc) does all this accrue Karmic debt too?

Anything you do is karma.  Move your finger and that is karma.  Karma is simply an energy pattern that you create!  It is your choice if you want to look at it as good or bad.  Haven't you ever heard people say, "That's good karma."  You can view the karma as you like, but I can assure you most sane people will view the removal of a physical life / murder as REALLY BAD Karma.

A question for you: It is established that good and evil are relative to the observers belief systems

My definitions:
Good - Construction.
Bad – Destruction.

In many ancient societies ritual sacrifice was not only considered good, it was actively sought out by members of that society as an honour, yet, in today's society such a thing would be considered evil. Who chooses the moral values which encompass creation, and have you seen some record of them? If not, then how can you be sure that your definition of this Karma is correct?

Morals?  If you apply a force on an object then it pushes back.  That is inertia.  There are no morals in that.  If you murder someone then you create an equal an opposite energy pattern.  You created that energy and it is yours.  There are infinite ways that energy pattern may be released, but regardless, the amount of energy to be released will always be equal and opposite to your actions.  There are no morals in that.  It is a very simple law and no decisions are need to determine the energy you create because it is always equal and opposite to your actions.  Without it then nobody would need to be responsible for his or her actions.  The Fallen Angelic kingdom hates the law of Karma.  They also have a very similar belief that you pose.  You keep wanting to point to finger at someone, when it reality it is you that created your karma.  It is your energy.  It is a vitally important law.

Peace,
Paul

MisterJingo,

Karma is not an entity.  It is a universal law.  If you want to participate in group consciousness then you WILL reap what you sew.  Science knows it as the law of cause and effect.  That is, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.  Sorry, there is no way a group consciousness is going to allow someone to murder billions of lives and not be responsible for the action.  It is called being responsible.  Believe that karma is not real does not make it disappear.  Personally I find it very odd that so many people here are trying to believe they need not be responsible for their actions.  Karma is a universal force.  It is part of the laws that the group consciousness created.

Peace,
Paul

Some people think we are already in a VR machine.  Kind of like the Matrix, but we don't remember it.  Actually I think technology will aid in real obe's.  That would be much better than any VR machine.  Personally I am somewhat concerned about the nanobot idea.  Have you heard of the gray goo scenario?

I'm amazed that VR hasn't become very popular.  Several years ago for $30 I bought some 3D glasses.  Not the red & blue things.  These are the high speed shutters that work great on 100 to 120 Hz monitors.  It's amazing how well they work!  How is works is that it plugs into Microsoft DirectX.  So any program that uses DirectX will work with these 3D glasses.  Most games now use DirectX.  There are some games that look more real / 3D than others, but most 3D games look good in 3D.  Try playing Microsoft Flight Simulator!  Wow it is cool.  You feel like you're 1000's of feet in the sky.  It's like looking through a glass window from 20,000 feet up.  Also it has program that can view any 3D image.  I was taking dual pictures with my digital camera and viewing them it 3D on the computer.  You just take one picture at the left eyes point of view and another for the right eyes point of view.  You can separate the dual image point of view like 10 feet and make your house look like a tiny miniature object.

Here the glass I bought for $30 a few years ago.  Not sure how much they are now.
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=Stereo2-Glasses&search_text=glasses

Paul

I think it was real, but the question is where was your consciousness and how accurate our your memories that you brought back with you?  I see a lot of common symptoms such as paralysis and floating.  Those are obe symptoms.  Since you are new at projecting, it could easily take a lot of projections before you'll be able to sync in on any group consciousness and accurately bring back the memories undistorted.  For some this only takes a few obe's, but with most people this will take about 5 years.  Don't be disappointed!  Just enjoy your creations of projections.  Even if they are your creations then it is still real.  For example, an advanced projector could travel to your lucid dream.  Yes, they can enter your dream because you are indeed creating it.  That world that you create will most likely vanish after you leave it.

Just enjoy it.  Soon or later you'll learn to focus in on a real group consciousness and sync it.  Then you'll be able to obtain self-proof.  BTW, you're right in that you should have wrote down the experience immediately.  Those memories are in part of your higher units.  If you want to try and remember them, then sit down, get comfortable, and meditate.  Slow down your feelings and thoughts.  Just slow and calm down.  Focus on one thing, but do not think about it.  That is, don't use your physical brain.  Just focus on something.  Ask yourself to bring forth your obe memories when you are ready.  So when you are in mediation, hopefully you will begin to recall your obe experience.

Peace,
Paul

[relative]

Then you admit there is karma.  On the other hand, it isn't any ascended masters that punish you!  It is the laws of the universe.

Karma is based on relativity.  What you reap is relative to what sewed.  You may have a different defintion of bad.

Yes, I believe there is such a thing as good and bad.  I believe bad is destruction and good is construction.  That is a clear definition.

Peace,
Paul

[think]

I didnt say I was the only consciousness in all exsistance, secondly, what price is that you entail? I dont think any one has to pay any price for there experience called life.[/b]

The experience is the result.  Karma is a Cause and Effect law.  Even scientists acknowledge cause and effect.  For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction.  That is Karma.  You are sadly mistaking if you believe that you can murder someone for example and get away with it.  You will reap what you sew.  Thank God for the law of Cause and Effect / Karma!

Since you believe that you are experience existence with many other beings, then don't you think there would be rules to prevent devistation?  Do you actually think God, which is all things, which you are a part of, which is infinitely intelligent, would actually allow you to do anything you wanted without ANY consequence?

So let me ask you this.  Do you think that you can for example blow up the whole earth and not reap the consequences of doing so just because you think you can get away with it simply by believing nothing bad will happen to you???  

Peace,
Paul

[I know many people here have come to the conclusion that there is no Astral Body and "it's all within yourself"]

Dear Stookie,

Thank you for the information. As someone who has studied Rudolph Steiner, I can appreciate what you've presented. It's all just words to explain something beyond words. When you start using words that sound mystical like "etheric", "arch-angel", "archetype", "life-body", it will throw many people off. I know many people here have come to the conclusion that there is no Astral Body and "it's all within yourself", but why can't that be broken down into parts? And if all of these other "worlds" exist within yourself, wouldn't it be logical that the Physical world does too. But I bet most here would argue that idea, because they can perceive their physical body as being 100% "real".

I think the main issue is most people cannot get themselves to study the true mystical teachings.  If they did then they would understand that the mystics also say astral body is not real.  Time and time again I have posted that it is a group consciousness.  The only thing that is real is consciousness.  It is by the agreed rules of the group consciousness that determines certain things.  The reason the physical plane is so stable is because it is a very large group consciousness.  Same goes for all the other countless realms, each with different rules.  In a way, you could think of the astral body and astral plane as a computer program.  What is real is the computer.  Our spirit, our consciousness is that computer.

Even Monroe believed in Karma, he just didn't call it that. But he knew that he consisted of many, many earth lives to create a "whole". If we can do something as miraculous as be born on Earth once, why not twice, or even thousands of times?

Indeed.  Reincarnation is the result of Karma.  At times it may seem like I am being harsh on these people, but I am merely trying to get some to be open and consider the words of others that could perform so-called miracles.  I know mystics that can do just about anything.  The least they can do is sit down and within seconds project to a distant location or look inside a box and give the person their proof.  Their higher answers are right before them.

it sounds like a souped up version of christianity

Actually, having just one Earth life, dying, and going to wherever you think you go sounds more like Christianity. Karma isn't about "repaying debt". It's about gaining vital experiences that can only be had here in the physical world.

Indeed.  That's a very nice way of putting it.  The founders of all this creation, which was us, HAD to put in place certain guarantees that would not allow us to forget when we dove into the sea of so-called separation.  Karma is a universal law that guarantees each consciousness will make it back home.  It is a roadmap back home.  Without Karma, which is the law of Cause and Effect, the universe would be destined to destruction with a never ending decrease in vibration.  It would be a bottomless black hole pit.  Karma guarantees a path back home.  Home is the place we all came from.  A place where we were all one in consciousness.

Peace,
Paul

Oh really?  I don't think so.  Therefore I'll ask it again.  So in other words you believe that you are the only consciousness in all existence? How could you expect to coexist with others when anyone can trap and inflict unimaginable amount of pain for 1000's of years and not pay the price?

Peace,
Paul

well manuel,  you do not seem interested in answering the question.  Don't you think an open minded person would at least consider the question?  I don't see any way to answer the question and end up with your theory on life unless you believe you're the one that exists and everyone else is not real.

Paul

Actually it is not only the mind that influences what you see, it can be the astral / desire body, or your Soul or your intuition body, or beyond, or even your physical brain.  As you know, control comes from the mind which is the link, but it sure helps if all your bodies are developed.  Think of your physical body.  If it was diseaded, full of cholesterol, extra fast heartbeat, craps, ulcers, aching parts, etc. then it would be a whole lot more difficult to project.  Same goes for the etheric body, astral body, and the mind.  The astral body is that emotional part of your being.  The etheric is extremely important in projecting as it is the part that heals the material body and holds the memory and much more.  A healthy etheric body makes all the difference.  The mind is the focusing unit.  Not meant as an insult but the mind in most is weak and wavering in thoughts and cannot focus too long and quickly dissipates when the physical enters trance state.  When the bodies are developed then you have a person on the other extreme.  Someone who has 24/7/365 continuity of consciousness.

Yes, people can project to the Etheric plane and move a physical object.  It is easier than you think.  The amount of material you move depends upon your belief in your ability AND the who ever else is watching.  For example, if you have a room fool of skeptical scientists then they will play a big role in the outcome.  It would take a giant like say Chris Angel to pull that off.  Remember, as you know this entire existence is a group consciousness.

Stevo, I hear you.  It's amazing, beyond words, especially when you create your own universe to play in!  Although one word of advice to everyone and that is don't over do it.  If one is perceptive then they may have noticed that life and the events that happen to one is not really so random after all.  Have you noticed how life seems to test each of us, our temper, just everything.  Like there's some life form in the far far background that is poking and probing you.  Some that have become perceptive don't like it and think that it's some sick joke on their life.  As stated, Earth is one of the most difficult schools ever.  The one that sets up situations in life is our Higher Self.  It is our teacher, guiding us through what we need to experience.  Yet it also gains from your experience since it is truly part of you.  So my point is, just don't push your luck.  I was in college when I began to project.  So you could say I had some curiosity about the opposite sex while out of body.  I had my fun, but it didn't last.  You could say that it stopped because I lost my ability to project for some time.  Each person is different and perhaps what I did not need to exploit is perhaps what another persons needs.  I abused the privilege of projecting far beyond what I needed to experience.  So I am only suggesting that there is something that watches over you.  It is there for your spiritual growth and for your protection.  It is the one that yanks you back into the physical body when you enter into a dangerous area.  Without it, your Higher Self, there could be a swarm of non-physical beings popping into your physical.

Peace,
Paul

I read until *karma*...it only exists if you beLIEve it exists, I couldn't read all that! it looks like the schematics for a diesel locomotive!

So in other words you believe that you are the only consciousness in all existence.  How could you expect to coexist with others when anyone can trap and inflict unimaginable amount of pain for 1000's of years and not pay the price?  The group consciousness was not dumb when the decided to split and create the worlds.  They created karma for a good reason.  Hiding one's head in the hole like the ostridge doesn't make it go away.  I know that's not what you wanted hear.  That you want everything to your control, but it would be a pretty lonely universe if you were the only consciousness.  Truth is, you are responsible for your actions.  Think about it.  Karma is not the only group consciousness law.

Peace,
Paul

These teachings have been passed on down for countless years.  When a person reaches a level where they can project at will and where they have proven that their out of body experiences are real and not a self created illusion then they begin the trek of verify the ancient teachings.  Max Heindel made it clear that he verified all the teachings during his out of body travels.

First I would recommend that one needs to verify that they are not creating their own self world when projecting.  I posted many times how to do such a test.  I have my own personal proof and can only encourage others to achieve theirs.  When you can project to a distant place while out of body and verify it while in the physical body and do that nearly 100% of the time then you are ready to verify such information.

Don't give up or get frustrated.  Think positively, keep a high state of vibration, and seek the truth.  This is about seeking truth by non-physical means after you have proven to yourself the ability.  Has nothing to do with repetitious ceremonies or religion.  Ignoring the work of very gifted people is not very smart.  Your personal experiences are important but if you are going to learn and grow in a group conscious world then you need to learn to consider what others who are obviously beyond you are saying and try to test their information when you have to ability to do so.  You are not the only consciousness in existence.  There are laws within each group consciousness.  If someone says there's no such thing as a galaxy then it doesn't mean that persons beliefs will suddenly make all galaxies not exist.  During my very early years, I spent years and years searching for supernatural proof.  The effort paid off one day when I encountered someone who could vanish before your eyes, levitate, read your thoughts, and all that stuff.  So why in the world would I ignore what this person had to say?  I listened and tested.  So I have my personal proof.  Hope everyone gets there's soon one day.

Peace,
Paul