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i'm just wondering if the whole New Energy Ways section in astral dynamics is really necessary for acheiving OBE's... i know many people, from other forums, who can project quite easily without any energy work whatsoever. so i'm just wondering if, it's possible to kind of skip over that section, and get right down to the projection part?

thanks!

Hey so i have just started doing NEW and i feel like i'm not doing it quite right. I am at the point where i'm doing full-body circuit stuff. It talks in Astral Dynamics about the strong energy-movement sensations you're supposed to feel, but i can hardly feel anything. I can feel a slight tingling but that's it. For the whole-body circuit thing you're supposed to be using the "sponge" method of tactile-imaging, right? What exactly are you supposed to be visualizing and feeling? And i can never seem to get into a good rhythm when i do it. how long is one circuit supposed to take?
And also, honestly, is it really that import for OBE's? I mean Robert Bruce is the only person i've ever heard of that thinks energy work is a prerequisite for OBE.
thanks for your time everyone!
-Ben

The gnostic teachings don't insist that they are right. What they do is provide you with a set of  tools to find  out  what is right.
    You're right that it is very easy to fail. But it isn't that hard to know where to begin, as I said, go to www.mysticweb.org and click on online courses if you're interested in learning more about this stuff (its free    ).
     Yes,  I am  trying to stay on  the path. I do not think that robert bruce  is talking about the same path as  the one  I am  mentioning however.
     And yes tombo,  that would be an excellent way of  describing enlightenment, it is basically what were talking  about.

Yes, I am familiar with the gnostic teachings. However, the whole point of gnosticism is to find out for yourself. It arms you with all the tools you need to truly find the answers. So, while for me this information is pretty accurate, please don't take my word for it, and go find out for yourself. What I will say is this: as someone who has studied these things and tried to walk "the path", it has been simultaneously the most challenging and the most rewarding thing I have ever tried to do in my life. If you are looking for an 'easy' path to enlightenment, then this is NOT for you. This is the most direct way as far as I can tell. If you truly want to revolutionize your conscienceness and your whole psyche, then this is for you. Once again don't take my word for it, but something most people don't realize is that the 'average' human being only consists of 3% consciousness, the other 97% of their psyche is the unconscience. So, while this may sound ludicrous, it is something that can (relatively) easily be verified yourself with rigorous self-observation/awareness, and the 'death of the egos technique'.
But I don't want to preach to you, so if you really want to learn more about spiritual ascencion, esotericism etc. then go to one of the websites. I would personnally recommend www.mysticweb.org, as it explains things the most clearly in my opinion.
-Ben

hey everyone,
me and this guy i know both bought the book astral dynamics and are reading it. but there is a very confusing part that we dissagree about.
he says that you are supposed to visualize (or imagine) your point of awareness when doing mobile body awareness tactile imaging, its what he's been doing.
however i have read and re-read the stuff on tactile imaging and mobile body awareness, and i am positive that you're NOT supposed to visualize anything. robert says to FEEL your point of awareness and ignore everything else. he also says to do it with your eyes closed and not rely on your sight to highlight things. logically this would also mean not to visualize anything while doing MBA T.I.
but as i have discovered, it is near impossible to feel your mobile point of body awareness without visualizing at least something. only when i'm really "in the zone", can i do it without visualizing anything. but it takes 110% of my concentration to do, and is really hard.
i am on the part where you first start tactile imaging on your thumb joint, and i just recently did it for about 45 minute, but i cant feel the slightest energy related feeling in the joint! i feel nothing in the joint! what am i doing wrong?
i can do the MBA where you move the point of awareness around your body just fine, i think it's because my point of awareness is pretty big, at least the size of my palm. but when i have to make it a tiny point on my thumb and go in a circle, this is nearly impossible for me.
please answer these questions i'd really appriciate it
thanks in advance,
Ben

there's a whole book that deals with this, its called
"Dancing With Dragons: Invoke Their Ageless Wisdom & Power" by D.J. Conway. i havent read it but it looks interesting

i heard that that movie really sucks lol. but anyways, i'm reading the book right now, its really good! however, the scifi channel's version of dune which was made a couple years ago is really good, u guys should watch that

when i was younger i used to always watch the show "sightings" on the scifi channel at 7 in the morning. that was really good show...
but anyways i didnt learn about astral travel until about a year ago from this one metaphysics board