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#1
Welcome to Metaphysics! / precognitive dreams
June 02, 2002, 02:06:55
I never really thought much about clairvoyance being a real phenomenon until it happened to me in a way that I cannot write off to statistical or logical probability.  My past negative view of clairvoyance stems from the fact that a great deal of predictive stuff you read about is so vague and requires significant  interpretive genius which seems to only be useful after the fact.  This view ended the day I "had a dream" that came true in every way.

I had taken a nap in the afternoon, and woke up from that nap suddenly because the dream I was having was disturbing.  In my dream I was lying on the same bed I was napping on, except that it was in the middle of the night instead of the afternoon.  There was an exceptionally loud sound that was coming from outside sounding something like 1,000 lawnmowers and a bright light shining through the blinds which were closed.  I was frightened in the dream and ran to the window to open the blinds to see what was there. And hovering about 25feet above th pool in my backyard was a helicoptor that was rotating slowly shining a powerful search light against the house.  The pool lights were on as usual and the effect of the helicoptor on the water's surface was quite a sight producing geometric wave patterns on the water's surface.  After about a minute, the helicopter flew  away.  

I would have probably forgotton completely about this dream except that 3am the next morning,  I was awakened by a helicopter in my backyard fitting the above description in every respect, except that this time I was not afraid because I knew what it was.

Now I have to say that after living in my current home for the last seven years, which is located in a quiet suburban setting, there has never been a helicopter anywhere near my neighborhood.  I could not possibly have guessed such a thing.  And it wasn't a "seems like", "sort of like" dream.  It was "exactly" like the dream in every detail.

Though this dream did not predict anything significant,  it did have a profound impact on my concept of time.  I can't help but conclude that time must be a traversable dimension, and that common human notions about time are, at best, of practical significance, and at worst, delusional.

I wonder why I had this dream and speculate that it may have been the fear factor coupled with waking up suddenly.  It's hard to describe how loud a helicopter sounds when you are less than 50 feet from one.  Take whatever make believe helicopter sounds you've heard in a movie theatre and multiply the volume times 5.  My entire house was shaking in almost an earthquake way. And as you would imagine, extreme fear would be the natural reaction at 3am.  For all I know, we all have precognitive dreams constantly, but fail to remember them because the emotional impact is not great enough to enable storage where waking mind can retrieve them.

Just thought I'd share.


#2
Welcome to the world of precognition. It's a strange gift or curse depending how you look at it.  I have come to the provisional  conclusion that time must be a dimension as described in superstring theory rather than a vector as newtonian physics describes it.  Time can be traversed much like any other dimension by those than can by will or accident do so.  My precognitions are much like yours; I don't know they are precognitions until the event happens in my normal waking state.  This makes us lousy predictors of future events since we have no way of telling which dreams are precognitions until after the fact. My thinking is that Deja-vous is just a dream remembered that is caused by a waking state trigger.  For most people, this "remembering" is vague and can't be contextulized as to when/where the memory comes from.  For people like me and you, the waking state trigger brings back the whole dream in technicolor with no loss of detail.  We know we dreamt it and we know when we had the dream.  For me the dream is always one that I had recently - usually within a few days or hours of the actual event.  Older dreams tend to kick back less detail for me and tend to be more like the Deja-vous effect.

This phenomenon definitely gets you thinking about the nature of time.  Modern theoretical physics seems to be on the right track with superstring theory positing that there are actualy 10 or more dimensions rather than 3 dimensions.  However, reading on this subject is quite inaccessible to the physics layman.  There are competing theories within the theoretical physics community concerning the string concept as well.

If you are looking for ways to develop this as a skill to be used for prediction, good luck.  Books that I have seen on this topic have not done anything for me, so I can't and won't recommend any.

Hope this was helpful.
#3
It would be interesting to see how people would have responded to the original post in this topic, if the substance in question had been aspirin and the issue would have been whether it is better to deal with a headache by using "natural" means (read toughing it out) rather than "cheating" by using aspirin.  After all, you would then be dependent on aspirin.  For whatever reason, (social programming is a good candidate), marijuana gets a bad rap.  I think that any substance we ingest, if done so in excess, could result in unintended, and possibly dire side effects.  In fact, if you were to drink over 3 litres of water in a very compressed timeframe, you would probably die of hyponatremia.   In other words, too much of a good thing is a bad thing.  

I would be lying to you if I said that marijuana is incapable of serving a therapeutic purpose with regard to energy cultivation and utilization.  I have WITH GREAT EASE literally performed/witnessed what could only be called miracles while under its influence.  I have, WITH AND WITHOUT GREAT EFFORT, performed/witnessed such things while not under the influence as well.

In my own existence, I use it as a catalyst when I go through cycles where it is quite difficult to raise energy, or in a perceived emergency situation where results are instantly required.  The history of our species cites many examples of using what we today call controlled substances to enhance spiritual pursuits.  Again, I would recommend moderation if this becomes your choice.  However, I don't know who is really qualified to give an answer to this question that would apply to everybody.  After all, not everyone reacts the same way to things.  

- observer

#4
Why does the concept of creation necessarily negate evolutionary theory?  If you want to accomodate both ideas, you just have to give the Creator credit for creating the rule base by which matter operates.  Evolution is just an execution of the rules.  

However, I could see cainam_nazier saying that the argument then transmutes to the question of the source of the rules.  He would say, prove that the rules are not an accident.   Now he may think I've made a straw man argument here that I've attributed to him, and if so, I apologize.  On the offhand chance that this would be his response, I would say that the question is the problem.  Why assume that the defendable position is to prove that the world is not an accident?   It would seem that it is more likely, from a probability standpoint,  that the rules were created rather than accidental.

- observer

#5
Sylvain, like you, I did not know about chakras, or about any mystical paradigm for that matter.  What I find interesting about your experience and the other experiences posted here, is that it appears to be a response to prayer.  This was the same in my case, sort of.  Though I knew nothing of meditation,  there was this "relaxation exercise" called the sponge in a hatha yoga class I took.  You might say that I perfected the sponge by going into a very relaxed state which by Astral Dynamics parlance would be called a trance, though I did not know that at the time.  On one occasion during this trance state, I let the following thought enter my mind:  "I want to meet God".  Withing seconds of making that supplication, I felt a ruch of energy that started in my feet but instantly shot up through the rest of my body and my head.  My conscience was instantly disembodied and I was floating within what I could only call an energy bath that was getting progressively more intense.  To put it mildly, this was the most frightening experience of my life because of the intensity and the fact that I had no idea that such experiences were even possible.  I thought that I was literally dying.  The best way I can describe this experience is that it was like being electrocuted by very high voltage.  I tried with all my strength of will to get back to my body, and finally managed to after about what felt like 1 minute of this state.  

No downloads for me, just energy.  I stopped doing hatha yoga then since I decided I was tinkering without a license and was likely to get hurt if I continued.   However,  I did "get" some lasting effect from the experience.  I became telekentic for about 6 weeks.  It was bizarre and I was scaring the crap out of people when I demonstated it.  I decided within the first few days to stop showing people.  Needless to say, this experience started me down the path which has me visiting forums like this today.  

Was your experience Kundalini? Was mine?  I don't know. Based on books I've read,  I would say no.  The best analogy I can come up with is that I experienced an infomercial for higher conscienceness.  It was a freebie as a result of prayer in the right mental state.  In books on the subject, Kundalini is described as a snake like energy that starts in the root chakra and makes its way up the spine through the various major energy centers along the way eventually reaching the last energy center, the crown chakra.  However, you describe passing go without collecting 200$ first.  I guess you're the kind of person who goes straight for the payday, or like me you got a free show.   In the end, I guess I would ask why it is important to you to know whether the experience was Kundalini energy or not.   Would knowing that somehow change the significance of the experience for you?

- observer

#6
My own experience bears out your thesis Chris.  The difficulty for me is raising enough energy on demand to get the job done.  Then once energy starts flowing, I only get results if I can maintain unwavering focus on the area of the body to heal. Then it becomes a visualization/intent meditation where the mantra/mental concept is "healing".  I know this probably sounds kind of lame, but I have acheived unbelievable results with it.

#7
There's a saying "be careful what you ask for, you may just get it."

This is not an energy that you can dabble with.  It requires respect in the extreme and you can expect to become mentally and possibly physically transformed by it.

I recommend reading the following before you start lighting that match in a room full of gas.

http://aloha.net/~bpeay/kundalini/kundalini-faq.html

good luck.

#8
He was most likely refering to Kundalini.  

More info here:

http://hmt.com/kundalini/kundalini-faq.html


#9
I wonder why it is that so many who admit no personal knowledge of this issue feel compelled to take a stand on it.  Very puzzling.  This was one  of the central points of Robert's book - not to judge or assume anything without personal experience.  I can understand the reluctance to try a drug because it obviously represents the unknown to you no matter how much you've read about it.  But that doesn't automatically translate to a requirement to have a negative opinion on the subject.

#11
quote:

Also observer ......
You said if you eat it, it takes some time to 'come down'.
You mean the effect lasts long ?

I wouldn't like to be interrupted, I want to use this to get into a very deep trance
and so I can just unblock areas and gather lots of energy through quite some time
not 15 minutes ...

Thanks,





Being a controlled substance where quality is an unknown, there is no way that you will be able to be certain of dosage no matter what the method of delivery.  This means that you will not know how much to smoke or how much to eat.  In short, trying pot once will be a crapshoot.  You may not even get high if the pot is weak.  I cannot and will not guarantee that you will be able to do anything energywise even if you do get high.  I have significant energy management abilities WITHOUT pot and am speculating that pot only enhances that ability.  

If you do get high, you will find that energy management capabilities will not be the only thing that is enhanced.  You will probably fall prey to the kid in the candystore syndrome;  Your analytical capabilities will have you following an avalanche of new realizations at breakneck speed.  Your awareness of your body is so intense that you may find it uncomfortable, or profoundly sensual. You may find that you'll be doing everything but energy development.
#12
As a person that has used pot, I can tell you that it is possible to do what puddl wants to do and I have done so.  For me, pot makes it almost effortless to work with NEW on both secondary and primary energy centers.  And it leaves lasting effects that make it quite easy to continue energy work more easily without the use of the drug.  

Unlike Inguma, I recommend smoking it rather than ingesting it for several reasons.  Firstly, smoking it produces the intended effect almost immediately;  In less than 10 minutes, you will be under peak influence.  Secondly, the peak does not last long - usually less than 15 minutes on the best stuff.  Conversely, when you ingest it, depending on what you eat it with, and how busy your digestion system is, it takes between 30 minutes and 2 hours to begin its influence.  And it takes quite a while to "come down" - sometimes hours.  Lastly, if you cook the pot into some foodstuff like a brownie, the dosage is not necessarily known because it does not distribute evenly and you may get a lot higher than you bargained for.  In short, the delivery mechanism is a control issue.  And given that you are working with life energy, taking the path that produces greater control is advised.  

I think that the main reason to discourage the use of drugs is that even if the drug is not physically addicting, psychological addiction is always a possibility.  There will be those without willpower who will continue to use drugs as their only method of spiritual discovery because they are too impatient for results.  And like any other drug, frequent use of pot will require raising the dosage to get results which could lead to personal harm (like lung cancer if you smoke it).   And there is also the possibility that you are not ready for the experience that the drug can provide - like putting a Cessna pilot in an F16.  Finally, it is a drug, and as such has impact on your physical body.  For starters, it raises your heart rate and blood pressure while under its influence.  If you are older, and/or you or your family have history of heart disease, it is probably not a good idea to use this drug.  I have not read this, but I suppose it is possible that some people may be allergic to some aspect of pot's chemistry.

However, in spite of all this, I still use it occasionally as a catalyst, and it seems to be a rather harmless thing for ME to do, and in fact it has been quite helpful with the development of many things.  In closing, I feel like the doctors that encourage daily ingestion of red wine in small doses for coronary health benefits.  Their fear is that whenever a respected authority recommends something, there will be those that go a bridge too far taking the advice and corrupt its intent. So since I have done nothing to earn your respect, please do not consider this post drug use advice.  I am just stating the facts of my experience.