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Hi everybody! []
Finally I've found the time (and also the will...what a lazy guy am I []) to post in this beautiful message board!
As the topic says, I'm here seeking for your experiences using Bwgen...but let's start from the beginning!
For about one month I've tried this very peculiar software with, unfortunatly, no remarkable effects...I've tried many presets but nothing seemed to happen...
Now I'm back, desiring to know if you've attained some kind of results or if you're in my same situation. [?]
For those who had tried with success: have you used some particular combination of different presets or you've just listened to a particular one for a long time?
Please answer me if you can!
Of course this become a "bwgen diary" were everyone is invited to put his/her own experiences! []
Regards,

Havok

Hi buddies!
I've recently searched in this forum for old topics about the subconscious but, even if I've found something about this subject, I preferred to open another, more recent, discussion that could work as a FAQ about the processes that brings us to talk with our "inner voice".
Of course I'm asking for contribution because I still cannot "hear" my subconscious talking to me by concrete toughts (and not just by feelings or emotion).
Of course the articles on Robert Peterson homepage and PsiPog were extremely helpfull but I just can't manage to build up a more "confidential" connection with my subconscious...
Would you share your "techniques & personal experiences" about this very interesting subject?
Thanks in advance! []

Havok

Sorry for the stupid title but I didn't find another way to introduce my topic! []
As maybe everyone in here, I always desired to know a little more about my mind processes and all the "hidden" features masked in the great percentage of brain we didn't use.
ESP powers like "something-kinesis", "telepathy", "clairvoyance" etc. have always intrested the "mystical" part of my mind so...let's go right to my questions:

1)(the classical one) Are all these powers REAL?I don't mean make thing flying away or read the future...just a little (but not faked) manifestation.
2)(another classic) Is that a way to know if a person has an attitude for a particular power?
3)(third classic) Does exist some kind of exercises to manifestate/develop these powers?

I have to tell you: I'm reeeeally skeptical about this kind of things (but I wish I could verify that they really exist) because demonstrations can easily be faked.
So...tell me what you can...maybe giving me some examples about "your" powers!
Bye

Havok

One of the aspects of the Obe that pushed me to try projections was the possibility to fly through the entire Universe and see planets I never saw.
Tell me...it's just a dream that will never become true or it is possible to project himself out of the Earth?
Have you ever tried?And the astral vision of the planets is exact (for what you now about astronomy) or it's just a virtual reality projection?
Please answer me because I think that on this depends all my futures attempts.
Oh and don't bother with edulcorate words...be rude but be honest! []

Havok

Hi, I'm an italian guy who decided, after a little time as a "lurker", to join this huge forum hoping for informations and hints from "the older ones".
First I have to apologize for my "unstable" english but it's not so easy to write in another language...so...just try to understand me! []
My interest about "metaphisical" stuff like LD, Oobes and other things like that started about two years ago, when I talked for the first time with a friend about dreams and the potential they holds.
Suddenly I started to search sites talking about LD and I found that existed another state of "mental projection" trascending the simple dream: the Oobe!
I tried to pick up more infos from the net and, for about one year, I tried (maybe one night per month..and even less) to project myself using all kind of techniques.
I don't have to tell you how much I got frustrated when nothing happened...so I just left the whole thing and returned to my normal life.
This summer, having all the day free for myself, I returned on the argument and I found out that the italian documentation about Oobes was not enough to help me getting into the astral plane.
So I made a few searches about oobes in some english searching engines and I found out maybe the best site ever made about this kind of argument (Am I supposed to tell you what site I'm talking about? [] ).
But enough with personal bios...I have to post another message because this is getting to much longer for your poor eyes! []
So..read what's next...

Havok

Ach, beato te che hai solo questo problema! []
Io ancora non riesco ad "alleggerirmi" abbastanza da tentare il distacco! []
Ciauz

Havok

p.s. sorry for the italian...just some complains about my poor meditation skills! []

Ahahah...
Well a short-yet-exhaustive topic my friend! []
I'll try this way...searching for troubles that maybe are "locking" my subconscious...

Havok

C'mon my friends!
I'm waiting for your experiences and advices! []

Havok

I'm from the north-west of Italy...sorry but I've never heard about Damanhur...[:I]
BTW could you tell me if in the book you scanned there are more explainations of this technique?
Bye

Havok

I wanted to ask you if, when you "imagine" your etheric-double, you see him from your point of view or if you visualise it from different angles (like a camera floating around the etheric body you're creating)...
And when you visualise your etheric body can you actually menage to SEE him like a mental-eye vision or you just keep "imagining" it?
Last question (critical one): DOES IT WORK?
I would like to hear some of your impressions about this technique.
Bye

Havok

First of all thanks for the scans! []
Then I would ask you a really simple question (treated 'till death on this forum! []) about the visualisation: are you capable to keep a first person perspective of your astral double, or your mind (like mine does) keep changing from a 1° point to a 3rh point of view causing loss of concentration and focusing?

Havok

Thank you all for the priceless informations! []
Now I know that all my dreams can come true with the Oobe!
It's possible that our personal thoughs can effect the real sight of what we are looking at in the oobe?
I mean...I know about the "Alice" effect of "distortion" so, it is possible that maybe you had your personal vision of the Universe?

Talking about complexity from cells to galaxies: who could tell that we are really the greatest and most complex biological form in the Universe?
Like that sci-fi film, M.I.B., we could discover that our galaxy is nothing more than a little ball in the hands of a greater alien!

Havok

quote:Originally posted by Sinestro

Ok Zarklon, I try to have an OBE last night and I did the counting my breath technique and it didn't work, I will try again tonight. I don't understand, how are you suppose to be able to push our of your body? When will you know that you are in the astral world? When you are in the astral world do you feel like you are when you are conscious, or awake? Look I don't think that OBE's are REAl, I think that they are all just a dream, or all in your mind, because I haven't been able to have one. Until I am able to  have an OBE, or someone is able to prove to me that they are real then, YES I will beleive in them.

My friend,
Even if I still cannot project myself I can tell you that I believe in Oobes.
Just the fact that alot of users managed to project is a clue that oobes are real (well...metaphorically "real"[]).
If you continue with skepticism you'll never attempt to have an oobe and you will blame yourself forever for this failure.
Just open your mind and let all kind of skepticism fly away...it's real if you really believe it! []

Havok

I'm just UPPING the topic so that someone can answer to our questions. []

quote:Originally posted by Frère

Thus we are two to expect these answers that don't come
let's celebrate!
I can't speak italian, sorry, if my brother was there he could do it for me...
My father is italian of blood.
greetings!

Well someone will surely answer to our "newbies' questions"...
For the language...I've studied both French and English so I don't have too much problems about them...
Surely I don't pretend to see you all speaking italian just because of me! []

Havok

quote:Originally posted by Frère

Nobody answerd to Havok question that says "How much time one has to practice to get a real OBE?"
And I have another question:
Is it possible to have an OBE without going thru a state in which we are paralised?
and another:
Is it important to not move at all (not even swalowing your saliva)
Do you think the cracking that destroys numbness is a sign that a certain point was reached?

Well...telepathy does exist! []
You made all the questions I decided to avoid because i was afraid I was asking too much! []
So...these "involuntary movements" are a diffused problem for beginners like us!
Merci mon ami...tu as demandé des choses trés utiles aussi pou moi! []

Ahem...just another liiittle and stupid question: it is possible to have hours-long Oobes?
Maybe it sounds stupid but I'm a little curious about the duration...

Havok

Thank you Nick...it's really great to receive help form those who already had their experiences...especially in this case, where skepticism and loss of willpower play a big role!
Now I will look for these energy rising exercises and try again this night.
Do you suggest to wake up during the night and try projection?
I'm to lazy so I fall asleep almost immediatly!
Well I'll try to stay awake and see if it's simplier to get in trance state.
Byez

Havok

Well floating in the space would be my biggest OBE achievement!
Unfortunatly I'm at the beginning so these kind of desires have to wait! []
But tell me about your travels out the atmosphere..I'm very curious about them! []

Havok

No problem guys...even if it is a little bit difficult to write in english I think it's a beautiful language!
I will keep trying all this summer and report any little achievement! []
It's so important to make energy rising exercices?And if I try them and I don't feel nothing...that means that the energy has problems to rise? [?]

Havok

First of all I would thank you guys (or girls) for the great welcome I got!
In fact I've already downloaded all the downloadable so actually I'm full of advices of all kind.
Maybe in a cryptic part of my mind there's still a little flame of skeptisism burning all my trials at their beginning.
Right now I keep trying...just let me ask you another little question:

Luck is maybe involved in this kind of process...but can a beginner just project himself without expecting the whole thing to work just because lady fortune decided it?
How long did you take to project yourself in a complete self-controlled way?

Havok

p.s. sometimes, when I lay on my side, I get litteraly "hitten" by a "brain electrical discharge"...just like a spark of electricity (with its classical buzzing sound) before my closed eyes.
I feel also that when I'm in a deeper concentration all the noises (if they are loud enough to make me lose my calmness) seems to make a strange little flashing before my eyes...like they were transformed form sound into light.

Hi it's me again...
Sorry for the double post but I thought I was gettin' too annoying and I preferred to split the entire mex into two different posts.
Right now I feel two different flows of consciousness hitting my brain: the first is telling me to forget about all these stupids things about astral projection and ESP manifestations...the other tells me to BELIEVE!
I must confess: I'm a little skeptic for all these messages telling about attempted Oobes and ESP powers...but also I feel that something is real and maybe I should just attempt an exit by myself to confirm the whole thing.
And that's the point: I think that my desire for a fast achievement of a projection is stopping me by going further.
How can I made the two things going well together?
I know that speed and quality often collides but when I lay in my bed and for about an hour I continue to feel my hands pressing against the bed and also with all kind of breathing nothing happens I start to think that maybe it's all a big joke made up to make fun of my hopes.
I feel that just lying with my stomach down against the bed let me into a state of complete relaxation...it is possible to have a successful projection or this position make the things worst?
My mind is full of questions but now I have to leave...I'll try again this night...givin' it all the care I have.
Good night,

Havok