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If your Astral Body had been destroyed somehow, you would not be posting to talk about it.

- Shimewaza.

Allanon, I read the posts here often. Just because someone does not agree with your religion does not mean they have 'turned their hearts from the light' as you put it.

There is much evidence to support the theory that Jesus never died on the cross. That the entire resurrection did not happen, and Jesus married and went on to have children. This underminds the entire philosophy of the Christian religion.

Allanon, have you ever read the Dead sea scrolls? The old testament? The Koran? (apologies for misspellings). Christian beliefs have changed quite a lot in the past 2000 years (as far as I know). Which are the correct beliefs..those held in the past, or those held now..?

What a previous poster was trying to say is that your view of your religion is that it has to be right no matter what, for whatever reason..you are basing this on a book which has been so heavily mistranslated and modified over the years? Many different religions have fanatics who refuse to see any other way as being right except their own. Look at all the suicide bombings in the name of Allah.

What I am trying to say is the world would be a lot better off if people would realise there are thousands of different ways. Do they all lead to the same place? I don't know. Which way is right? I don't know. Which way is better? I don't know. But I do believe that certain religous teachings belong to the past. We must all find our own path at one time or another in our lives, and if you want to believe in Jesus that is your right. But rememeber...it is the right of everyone else not to believe.

- Shimewaza.

Exactly what 'dark ones' are you talking about Allannon...sorry to burst your bubble but when people talk about summoning things, they do not automatically mean the fabled Christian demons and devils. Of course the original poster could have meant this...

However you are right in saying 'Don't go looking for trouble especially when you do not understand the consequences.'

There is no 'quick spell' to evocation unless you are very highly skilled. If you are not highly skilled chances are what you summon will be a product of your own mind (for example, the entire branch of Enochian magic).

- Shimewaza.

Got the information from the works of Franz Bardon, take it as you will Some posts discussing the 2 methods:

http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Wandering2.html
http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Warning.html


- Shimewaza.

The reason noone has done this before is quite simply, there is no need. There is no ravening horde of negs and demons terrorising humanity and causing all our ills.

People these days are exploring their inner natures and powers before purifying their own psyches (taken almost word for word from Rawn Clarks webpage). When they do this they open themselves up to their own inner-demons. Most people cannot tell the difference between a purely self-generated 'neg' or demon and an external force.


- Shimewaza

I saw this post and thought I'd post some levels of my own I quickly compiled. One thing people don't seem to know about - the so-called OOBE method of Robert Bruce and most everyone else today is an artificial body creation. You are *not* using your natural astral body to project with.

With the RB method of projecting the danger comes from not having your nonphysical senses developed - most of what you perceive and experience will be in your own mind or a product of such. Such a method of self-exploration can be good but not when you think it is 'real'.

I am not saying that RBs method is wrong - just misunderstood. There is nothing inherently wrong with it so long as you understand what it is and properly prepare yourself beforehand.

Normal level
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Your average joe on the street, is not aware and doesn't care at all.


Beginner
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You have heard of astral projection, you have read up on all the techniques and

different ways of doing things but have not practised anything.


Serious Beginner
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You have projected using the Robert Bruce/etc method of artificial astral body

creation, either by accident or at will. This artificial method can be detrimental

to your physical and astral health.


Intermediate
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You have managed a mental projection and have started to develop your mental senses.


Advanced
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Your mental senses are well developed - you know what is a product of your own mind

and what is not.


Master
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You have managed a true astral projection and have started to develop your astral

senses. You recognise and have handled all the dangers this involves.


Advanced Master
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Your astral senses are perfect - your recognise and can fully handle the astral

environment and have no problems in this area.


Grandmaster
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You are the absolute master of your feelings and emotions. You can travel anywhere

by will alone astrally. You have mastered the use of the elements on the astral. You

can affect the physical world from the astral.



- Shimewaza.

I started out writing a reply to this and ended up confusing myself and having to think about it a bit more. So, I'll just give this link for others interested in this suject to look at:

http://www.abardoncompanion.com/Demons.html

- Shimewaza.

As far as I can remember about these teleportation experiments, it was using quantum entanglement, where one particle knows the state (?) of another no matter how far apart they are.

This wouldn't be actual teleportation no matter how much they want it to be, it would be replication. Teleportation would involve disassembly and reassembly of particles to be accurate, which noone has figured out how to do yet.

I remember reading an old sci fi book, where their teleportation devices made an exact duplicate of someone and then destroyed the original..leaving the copy to wander around as if they were the only one. Interesting to see if this would be possible, and how the mind does interact with the body and vice versa.

- Shimewaza.

For meeting other projectors in the Astral, have a look at this article Rawn Clark did a while back:

http://www.abardoncompanion.com/BeneathAnAstralMoon.html


- Shimewaza.

Winged_Wolf said:

>If these things are not evil, why not? Because it is the nature of >the beast. Why are these things then evil when humans do them? >Because we are not beasts? Hah! Of COURSE we are beasts! We do those >things because it is the nature of the beast.

I had not considered it like this. Thanks for saying so Winged_Wolf.

- Shimewaza.

Hi all, I haven't posted here much so far but thought I'd add something here anyways.

I go by the handle Shimewaza here, and am 26 years old. I'm in Adelaide, South Australia. I have been training in Ninjutsu for the past few months, and am considering starting Wing Chun as well (looking at Felix Leong) in the city.

Steve, could you tell me how you have found Wing Chun so far..? I have asked around and friends of mine who practise Mantis style Kung Fu say Wing Chun isn't so good. Yet other people I have talked to have recommended it.

I am currently practising the Hermetic Initiation steps as detailed in Franz Bardons IIH and I will be integrating what I have learnt into whatever martial arts I practise. As I get more advanced, both in my Hermetic studies and Ninjutsu.

- Shimewaza.

Adrian said:

"Regarding good and evil specifically - how do your regard Angels vis a vis Demons, for example?"

I haven't had too much experience with so called 'angels' and 'demons' myself so can only theorise on this at the moment...

I regard both as not existing how Robert Bruce sees it..I don't think there is any hierachy to it, or order or things, with different grades of angel or demon...when I say this I mean no natural order, if there is an order to it it has come about due to the human belief systems and nothing else.

I think there are beings you perceive as demons and angels, but again I think it is more to do with your belief systems than anything else...ie. a religious person out of body might see an angel, another projecter nearby might see something else entirely.

It could also be the case the entity chooses to manifest as either an angel or a demon to conform more to someones belief system and so interact with that person in a better way.

What could be a better way to control religious people out of body than to appear as an angel and start telling them things they want to hear..?

Whichever way is the true way, I would warn it is best to always take things with a grain of salt as it were. Never assume anything. I'll be able to talk more about this subject as I get more information myself.


To blue light mystic: You are posting an enourmous amount of information replying to everyone, and I just get too tired reading though it all, sorry... Reading through all your posts just puts me off and I skip over most parts of them.

- Shimewaza.

Thankyou for making that point Winged Wolf.

To all the people who have posted here having a nice little chat about 'good' and 'evil' - what you call good and evil is not automatically light and dark. You are fooling yourselves if you think that.

Why do you associate good with light and evil with dark? There is really no 'good' and no 'evil'...just what our own belief systems impose on our realities.

Back in the dark ages when all the religious crusades were marching around the place murdering at whim, they called themselves good and represented the 'light'...yet they were 'evil'? Or you could say the darkness is good, it helps the innocent hide from those that would do them harm...?

Just 2 basic examples off the top of my head...feel free to comment.

- Shimewaza.