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It can be useful to differentiate between language and states. The term "contemplation" can refer to "being in the state of nondual-contemplation", a state where attachment to concepts of self and other is cut through. The compulsion or need to conceptually define consciousness is cut through. The presence or absence of the concepts themselves is peripheral. The utility lies in knowing that you don't have to do anything you don't want to.

If consciousness exists before thought and things then consciousness exists regardless of the presence or absence of thought and things. If consciousness is the ground of thought and things, then consciousness is also "the conceptual mode of defining self and other" since distinguishing the difference between "consciousness" and "the conceptual mode of defining self and other", is itself another conceptual mode of defining self and other.

...the conceptual mode of defining self and other, isn't necessarily the ultimate definition of consciousness, and therefore there isn't necessarily an ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things...since that difference is asserted by thought & things and not by consciousness.

On the other hand, if thought & things assert self and other, and if there is no ultimate difference between consciousness and thought & things, yet one is asserting self and other and the other does not, then how can there be any ultimate assertion of the existence or non-existence of subject and object?

I know this is convoluted, but thats sort of the point. Intellectual thought or even duality isn't necessarily antithetical to the "non-dual state"...can in fact be its primary vehicle. This is signified by the concept of Achintya-Bhedha-Abheda in Vedic thought, the inconceivable power of the non-dual Absolute to "be" dual as well.

In fact the Absolute is neither dual nor non-dual. Non-duality depends upon duality, being its polar opposite. It is also a concept, and one that is relinquished in the state of non-dual contemplation. Then the question of permanent duality, impermanent duality, permanent non-duality or impermanent non-duality cease to have any meaning.

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Future and past are relative phenomena -- it doesn't help to talk about them like they are absolutes.

Time itself appears to the time-interference time-scales of all living beings in a given history-line as highly flexible, even stretch-able, entropy and symmetry support platform of the local space/time. Time becomes time to the living being, as its mass in spacetime interferes the subquantum wavefront of aether (i.e. space/time), by performing orchestrated objective reductions in all space and time scales of its cellular, molecular and submolecular levels.

In other words, experience of time is an effect on the whole of the living entity in question who experiences a "NOW" that is relative to their observing presence. Past is at best the function of memory -- not just the living being's, but also the aether whose wavefront fuels/creates/is spacetime. Future is at best the function of imagination.

History-lines exist in an infinitude, already done and complete, from infinite negative start to infinite positive end.

YB

That sounds exciting. Care to elaborate?

Sorry for the extremely late reply.

A while ago I took up a sadhana that pretty much boiled down to vocalizing (humming like a Tuva singer) combinations of specific solfeggio notes in specific breathing tempo schemes, a la mantra repetition + pranayama. After a few months of daily practice I began experiencing the classical symptoms of kundalini awakening while doing it. This actually renewed my interest in the metaphysics of kundalini (not just the physics / biophysics) and is what prompted my return to this board and avatar selection.

For anyone further interested: sequence was 528 hz, 417 hz, 528 hz, 396 hz, hummed in key of D, each note held for 3 seconds before blending into the next one without interruption (total sequence 12 seconds in length before taking another breath). One thing this is really good at doing is inducing respiratory apnea and this generally also is accompanied by the "bliss" of a kundalini energization (after all the orgasmic sensations, autonomic coccygeal innervation, kriyas, etc). Interesting to note that the apnea is not the same as just holding the breath... no turning "blue" and once breathing is required again it resumes normally (no huge gaspings for air). I go 3 minutes in theta state without breathing, totally "zoned out" in pleasure, after 20-30 minutes of humming this sequence... but I had to work up to that. Can't guarantee it will work for anyone else, but it has for at least one other person I am aware of - he hums in key of C, without the overtone generation of throat singing.

It's better than MDMA  

no stress friend.  my comment wasn't directed specifically at you, it was more of a general statement.  it has been a while (at least 2 years i guess) since I read about this "special frequency" and at the time i didn't recall seeing anything that said this was used to repair DNA or that it was tested in controlled experiments.  what i read about was specifically in reference to water and "healing" water.  they didn't say it would clean up pollution or anything drastic like that.  the implication that i gathered was that pollution puts "negative" energy in the water and this frequency could cleanse the energy, like sage smudging or something.  so we're really coming from two vastly different perspectives here, which is why my comment wasn't really directed at you.  sorry for any misunderstanding. 

Thanks for clarifying 

My experience with the solfeggio scale has actually been quite remarkable in other ways not related to DNA repair.

i have never seen anything that says "this has been empirically tested and is shown to be scientific fact" anywhere about this.

you people get into such a tizzy over silliness and definition.  when will you get that we're not right just by virtue of being in the present.  (ie, our current understanding doesn't negate everything that we don't understand)

meh, whatever.  i'm sure you all are right.  why not.

Are you missing the point on purpose or what?

Don't read anymore into what I'm saying than what I said. I'm not here to decry metaphysics, esotericism, or even the sacred solfeggio scale. Nearly every article on the net about the solfeggio frequencies claims that "528 hz is the exact frequency used by biochemists to repair broken DNA." This is the same as saying, "It has been empirically tested and shown to be scientific fact by biochemists that a 528 hz frequency sonic pulse will repair broken DNA." Is it not? And if it is, then where is this empirical evidence being reported at? That is the only thing I want to know, and am pointing out -- that I have not found such evidence reported anywhere in the literature. If anything, my remark was a request for assistance in this endeavor. Now, unless you've got the paper on your desk or desktop right in front of you, I don't see why you are even attending to my comment.

well i didn't wanna say to good to be true.  maybe promising was too intense of a word.  but still. 

promising to do anything.  not just this scenario.

but when i learned about  528 it was in relation to water and a global day of playing this tone at bodies of water with a variety of instruments and devices.  the purpose being to cleanse and "heal" the water.  don't know what i think of it now, but i think it's worth consideration.  just because it hasn't been "confirmed" doesn't mean there isn't promise of all kinds of applications of sound therapy.

I'm just pointing out that everywhere on the net is basically the same assertion without citation to its origin. CFT basically summed up my thoughts on the matter. There's a difference between soft technology and hard technology -- the former relies on the dynamic empowerment that the human body/mind/spirit (or some other such creative agency) can have (either individually or collectively) upon a believable and systemized assortment of logic and knowledge; the latter relies upon the general hard sciences formulated by our materialist, reductionist scientists.

With soft technology it is possible that the human can put to use the frequency 528 hz to do wonders, at least theoretically... but for that matter it can do the same for any sound or stimuli. But what people have been doing with the sacred solfeggio scale, or at least this particular sonic frequency, is base its validity on hard science, which is not even necessary... yet if that is going to be done, there needs to be some verification.

YB

Supposedly it's the healing frequency

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQK_uZEPRaM&feature=related

Binaural beat

Yeah, "supposedly" is a good qualifier here. I've yet to find any actual published report by any biochemists that support this claim (i.e. that an applied 528 hz sonic pulse inexplicably repairs "broken" DNA), and unfortunately everyone who makes the claim never backs it up with a referral to or citation of the biochemists who supposedly discovered this phenomenon.

(from what I have managed to gather, this rumor is anecdotal and appears to have been mentioned by Horowitz somewhere in his publications... or maybe it was Tenen)

No but I've come up with a basic, meditational interface practice that is basically the same thing. I view it as a tapping into of what David Bohm called the quantum potential or implicate order wherein all possibilities exist as an infinity of timelines. Or something like that.

Anyone heard of Quantum Jumping, by a guy called Burt Goldman?

He's a guy in his 70's who's apparently learned to do all manner of things to an amazing level, piano, photography, painting - I've watched a couple of Youtube vids about him, he certainly can do these things - of course it doesn't prove the way he says he learned, but interesting nevertheless.

I haven't bought it - but I've done some research, and it's kind of a guided meditation in which you're taken to alpha level, you walk down a set of stairs, imagine a door - and you think about whatever it is you want to do, and you're told that there is a version of you in an alternate reality, a doppleganger, who has the abilities you need and that when you open the door & step in, you will meet the doppleganger, merge your energies, and then you'll also take on their abilities. Then you come back.

I know it sounds far fetched - but he's very convincing, and he seems to have been doing this for a long time.

Any thoughts? Anyone have any experience with anything like this?

Thanks

Kev

Hologram-like, definitely.

But are we actual interference patterns in a lab on a plate illumined by laser guns? I sure hope not. That would be lame.

I think this process is part of spiritual evolution.

I belive its the next step after physical immortality.

I agree. I think we've got one more step before physical immortality (or extreme longevity, at least), and it is one that we humans are currently struggling to make.

How much did you like it?

Quite a bit, though it seems to have skipped the editorial process -- or whoever did it did a poor job. James covers quite a bit of material on some advanced physics and biophysics concepts and correlates it with the long-term effects of spiritual consciousness and mystical practices. The book revolves around the Turin Shroud, the image of which James proposes was holographically imprinted at the moment of Christ's (or whoever's) "ascension" -- the attainment of the Body of Light, the Golden Body, the Rainbow Body, whatever you want to call it.

There are no step by step instructions for this siddhi, at least not presented in this book and I doubt anywhere for that matter. It appears to be a byproduct of the attainment of a very specific consciousness integrated with native energy (all types available to the individual) management practices. Native, that is, to the individual. In this, you must do-it-yourself because due-is-your-Self.

YB

I'd suggest you check out the book The Silent Gospel by James Andrew Barrett.

http://www.silentgospel.com/

Hey vipassana. I came to a similar conclusion a few days ago, but I wasn't sure if it was due to my sensitivity to people around me who are going through some stressful (in the Death tarot sense of transformation) times. To me it seems this sort of tension in the ether comes and goes. I've thought several times in the past that "this is it," the crossroads have been reached and it would soon be the point of no return. I'm still waiting in anticipation.

YB

Hi everyone,

Yeah, I couldn't really take a break. I can't drag myself away from this stuff no matter how hard I try.
No new amazing APs or anything like that, but one thing I am completely aware of is the energy of consciousness. It's overwhelming. There is so much tension in the air right now and it's having a weird effect on people. I think we are finally getting close to the crossroads. We either going to collectively choose to continue down the road we are on, or we are going to stop for a minute and think to ourselves "what in the heck are we doing here?" The crop circle phenomenon has completely captured my attention. There is so much happening right now and the messages are becoming more clear. If we want to see the source behind these circles and who or what is making them, we simply just need to ask. I've had some crazy dreams about this lately. I just can't remember them very well after waking. I've got to work on dream recall. Anyway, I encourage people when they attempt to AP to ask who these circle makers are and to manifest themselves into physical 3D reality. This is a great site if your are interested.
http://www.cropcirclewisdom.com/2010/2010.html   

If you can hear the hum, you should also pay attention to the moon.

I don't know why, so don't ask.

Kurt, I'd rather know what you have discovered about the Reticulan grays (note: not all Zetans are grays), not what other "light beings" have. Wouldn't you, too?

Do it yourself, because due IS your Self.

YB

While in meditation I have been spending more time in the light realms. The level of the crown chakra is related to wisdom, knowledge, spiritual connection, consciousness. The Light can apear in any form you choose (even Jesus). However I recommend just a ball of light, as consciousness does not need form to convey information. Form will often skew the meaning or bias the observer. Still the wisdom is present in the Light, and the knowing. If you want to meet your higher Angels or Guides you can also move in that direction. The beings you communicate with on this level radiate truth and knowledge. They share it openly and freely.

The following is what I have learned about the 'grays' from the light beings.

The Zeta's (gray aliens) prime directive is to be curious. They spark off curiosity, sometimes fuelled by fear but, nevertheless, curiosity. Earth is a physical manifestation of a certain energy consciousness and Zeta Riticuli is another. They are the unknown and it is human nature to fear the unknown.

Through our interaction with the Zeta, we are being asked to move beyond our human nature and evolve into something more. They are assisting us in releasing our fears, and you have already agreed to this on a subconscious level. The entire planet has called for these beings to interact with us in a healing and teaching capacity. Part of the agreement is to learn to deal with the alien thought patterns of the Zeta.

To truly understand them, you have to consider all theories and possibilities, and only then can you say that you know the Zeta. I would like to now introduce you to the Zeta.

We live in two separate realities, ours and theirs. The phenomena we label as abductions are necessary but not arbitrary encounters. Through monitoring our fears, it is plainly obvious that we are not ready for a totally conscious encounter with their kind. We still experience their interaction as 'negative' in nature. They penetrate into the level of consciousness that many refer to the dream realm (astral plane and lower density levels).

Could you imagine that in each chakra of your body there is a story waiting to be told and a reality to express itself? In order to be fully conscious multi-dimensionally, each chakra has to translate the energies of the various dimensions. The translations need to be perceivable to the 'I' consciousness. Access to your multi-dimensional selves occurs in the chakras of the body. Each one is a portal to another reality and allows you to have various perspectives.

Well, a lower brainwave frequency means that less energy is being used to sustain thinking. In other words, more bioelectric current is available to the energy body. It's not just any one thing that enables you -- these are all interconnected and inter-related phenomena. You cannot affect the brain (or any aspect of your total self) without affecting every other part of you and your body in some way. It's all strung together by macroscopic quantum coherence.

But yes, theta or alpha alone won't do it.

YB

You need more than just theta waves to consciously project your consciousness out of your body. The brainwaves your brain emits are just the byproduct of the currenct state of your energy body. The trick is learning how to generate strong enough fields to effect your entire body, not just your brain.

[no_leaf_clover, have you tried the God helmet? Where do you buy it? Or is it available to buy yet? By the way, I found out about this term by searching on "TMS"(transcranial magnetic stimulation).And yes, Yamabushi, Dr. Michael Persinger invented it.Interesting site on God helmet: http://www.unexplainable.net/Technology/The-God-Helmet.shtml]

I don't think it is commercially available. I know people who know Persinger, I will ask.

YB

no_leaf_clover, have you tried the God helmet? Where do you buy it? Or is it available to buy yet? By the way, I found out about this term by searching on "TMS"(transcranial magnetic stimulation).
And yes, Yamabushi, Dr. Michael Persinger invented it.Interesting site on God helmet:
http://www.unexplainable.net/Technology/The-God-Helmet.shtml

Are you talking about the device that Michael Persinger invented?

I like to look at World of Warcraft as planet Earth some tens of thousands of years from now when the planet's creatures have been mutated by post-apocalyptic radiation.  

I suppose that's not too metaphysical. Has anyone played The Witcher? You can learn the ten Sephiroth of the Qabalistic Tree of Life from that game!

YB

EDIT: Half-Life 2 is another good one, with a lot of issues surrounding dark matter, time travel, transPlanckian wormholes, and a mysterious G-Man who reminds me much of some of my own mentors.

Entrainment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I


applies to all oscillating systems (including human beings)

Imagine again sharing all this energy just by being what we are.

One thing not understand by most people is the degree to which being as we be affects any and every thing else (even the chair you or I may be sitting upon right now).

Sure, I guess if you like astral projection but it won't help you with the ladies.  

Only lame ladies who don't like internet surfing astral projectors

Perhaps because detection of any kind implies some sort of contact, collapsing the function?  (You can see by my answer that I don't completely grasp the problem- but humor me)- the question I have is, if it is always a particle whose location can be described by a wave function (which is how I understand what you just said, lol), why does it interfere with itself?  Isn't this a result of multilocation in one given moment?

Had a feeling you'd be the next reply.

Yes, you're right... it should be recognized that this (absence of the interference pattern in the presence of measurement) must involve interaction with another system that must also be included in the Bohmian mechanical analysis. The key element here is the notion of the conditional wave function of a subsystem of a larger system. In other words, since observation/measurement implies interaction, a system under measurement cannot be a closed system, but rather a subsystem of a larger system that is closed (the entire uni/multiverse?). So yeah, the configuration of the subsystem (electron or particle) also depends upon the configuration of the environment it exists in.

To your latter question: the motion of the electron is a product of the state of the pilot wave that determines it. Like any wave, a pilot wave can interfere with itself via diffraction. When the electron passes through the apparatus, and nothing is there to see which slit it goes through, the pilot wave diffracts and this change is reflected in the electron's motion trajectory.

It still doesn't really answer my question, though. To illustrate what I mean, I'll pose another question: why does measurement cause the collapse of the wavefunction, instead of the other way around? Is there any reason it should or shouldn't do one or the other (there appears to be), and if so, then what is that reason?
YB

Dr. Rodolfo Llinas' work in thalamocortical dysrhythmia (TCD) is a theory that is currently used to explain the positive and negative symptoms induced by neurological disorders as well as neuropsychiatric disorders. In TCD the intricate dynamics between thalamus and cerebral cortex are disrupted by changes in the behavior of neurons in the thalamus. At the base of the theory lies diminished excitatory or increased inhibitory input at the thalamic level. This causes a neuronal calcium ionic efflux, which leads to a switch of the thalamocortical neurons from tonic to burst firing and subsequently entrains thalamic and cortical areas with pathological oscillations at around 5Hz (a theta-band frequency, as you may know).

TCD evidence comes from MEG and EEG recordings on the scalp as well as LFP (local field potential) recordings in the patients' thalamus during surgery. Analyzing the power spectra reveals increased coherence as well as increased bicoherence in the power spectra in the theta band compared to healthy controls. This indicates a close coupling of cortex and thalamus in the generation of the pathological theta rhythmicity.

In other words, it's possible that this sense of being is induced by calcium efflux events which influence thalamocortical neuronal connections.

YB

I think David Bohm had it right with his pilot wave mechanics. Consider: the smallness of the scintillations on the screen suggests we are still dealing with a particle, not a continuous wave. The diffraction and interference patterns suggests that the motion of the particle acts like or is directed by a wave. In Bohmian mechanics a system of particles is described in part by its Schroedinger wave function - but the wave function provides only a partial description of the system. It is completed by the specification of the actual positions of the particles - this evolves according to the "guiding equation," which expresses the velocities of the particles in terms of the wave function. In other words, the configuration of a system of particles as it moves through space/time evolves via a deterministic motion choreographed by the pilot wave function. In particular, when a particle is sent into a two-slit apparatus, the slit through which it passes and where it arrives on the photographic plate are completely determined by its initial position and wave function.

Much like Bell, I don't see why this idea is generally so well ignored despite its natural and simple reconciliation of the wave-particle dilemma. Then again, physicists don't like the idea of a hidden variables domain. Granted, this does not clarify the nature of the relationship between the act of observation / measurement and the pilot wave (i.e. why is it less wave-like in the presence of an observing or measuring vector?).

Okay, when I'm relaxed and I close my eyes I see spots of lights flickering. And at the same time if I'm thinking of something I get this different sense. Hard to explain exactly. It's like a different way of seeing life. It's much different then the sence of seeing through your eyes

I've noticed third eye (pineal) stimulation tends to be accompanied by shifts in brainwave activity - alpha or rhythmic theta patterns (unlike the irregular theta of normal drowsiness). It wouldn't surprise me if such a shift in cortical consciousness produces a "different way of seeing life," as you put it. But it also definitely can produce an inner vision that is spatially photographic (2-dimensional) or holographic (3-dimensional), even with your eyes closed.

YB