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RTCovenant, please don't confuse the following concepts:

1) Spiritual development - degree to which one is connected to their respective higher/self (definitions may vary)

2) Energy body develompent - correlated with (1), but not an absolute prerequisite.

3) Responsiveness to binaural signals - brain's ability to follow the induced frequency carrier into target brainstate. Absolutely not correlated with either (1) or (2).

If you (like myself) do not respond to binaurals - do not worry. Keep excercising your physical and energy bodies, meditate and train your mind, and, most importantly, do what is right - you will be doomed to increase your (1).

Suppose person A and B meet in API, and then later try to share their experiences. Person A says "I saw this and and that, and you did such and such things and said blah blah blah...", and B replies "yeah, thats exactly what happened". Now person A may think of it as "evidence", but in fact, B may subconsciously adjust his memory of experience to fit the scheme, without realizing it, or B may be simply lying!

So what's a good way for a group of people to share such info, without possibility of any party falsifying, intentionally or otherwise, their description?

One way to do it is for each party to write most accurate description of the experience, stressing the details and things that were out of the ordinary, maybe even include drawings, etc. Then, each party distributes the description in encrypted format (a .zip or .rar archive with password) among all other parties, after which the passwords are distributed in similar fasion. In this way, there is no chance of anyone making adjustments to their accounts, since nobody has apriori access to the information.

This may seem troublesome, but unfortunately our human nature often tricks us in fooling ourselves, because we WANT some things to be true, either consciously or subconsciously. There are LOTS of people that genuienly believe they have some psychic abilities, while a well-designed scientific experiment shows that it is nothing but a wishful thinking.

Ladies and Gentelmen, due to popular demand, as they say, the free binaural trance-inducing track is now available for download from Astral Pulse server (thanks to Adrian).

http://www.astralpulse.com/membersfiles/binauralabyss.zip
Note: it is 82Mb / 60m / 192kbps .mp3

Those of you who have Hemi-Sync materials will find the sound very similar. The binaural profile is similar to Holosync®, so those of you who have it may want to try to compare; those of you who don't - may just want to try.


I'd like to say a couple of words regarding the trance state. I think that the term "mind awake / body asleep" is a bit misleading. A more proper term, in my opinion, would be "awareness awake / everything else asleep". This distinction is subtle but important. A thought running through your head is characterized by high-frequency signals in your brain. Trance state, however, requires the brain frequency to be sufficiently low. That is why it is important to prevent yourself from thinking about various crap after you've done your muscular relaxation routine. However, since it is difficult not to think at all, most people concentrate either on breathing, chakras, incrementing numbers, switching colors representing "mind awake" and "body asleep", etc. I want to stress that it is important to keep your concentration and prevent yourself from snapping back into high-frequency thinking activity.

With this track, you may want to try to concentrate on the low-frequency binaural wobbling in the lower end of the frequency spectrum, which slows down as you go along.

To summarize the important points:
- Completely relax your body.
- Relaxation of the body is necessary, but not sufficient. You must free your mind from any sort of thoughts.
- Concentrate on one thing, on which you can hold your concentration easily. If you catch yourself thinking about something else - simply get back on track.
- Stay aware.

Last night I was lying on my back listening to the track concentrating on the wobble. At some point I felt the vibes approaching. I start thinking very fast "I shouldn't lose it. Must stay relaxed. Mouth salivating... should I swallow now? Will it break off the concentration? Left leg itching - what a bad timing. And the eyelids do not appear to be properly relaxed - twitch a little. Gotta relax them ASAP!!!" By that time I found myself completely alert (although still relaxed), while the vibes, of course, went bye-bye. Now you know what NOT to do.

Good luck.

First of all, big thanks to Mohamed who gave me a pep-talk yesterday about how I need more faith. So I've spent the day pondering on the idea that I WILL, somehow, achieve separation. I planned to get up early morning and do trancework from sleep-deprived state.

I was dreaming that I was in some motel with ROBERT BRUCE and ROBERT MONROE! Are you laughing yet? We were discussing something AP-related (basically, they were arguing whether using binaural aid is good or bad), and then they started arguing who's gonna use the shower first. I went outside to have a smoke. It was night, and I saw UFO/moving lights in the sky (I see those in my dreams on regular basis). When I was finishing my cigarette, I realized that I quit smoking years ago, became lucid, and snapped out from the dream back into trance.

I'm lying there thinking "this is some top-notch trance - I'll be damned if I don't get vibrations". I tuned a little bit, and a strong stable vibes came in. I'm lying there thinking "these are some top-notch vibes - I'll be damned if I don't get out". At this point, my knowledge of 1001 separation techniques evaporated, and the only one I could remember is "how nice it would be to float" mantra, which, in my execution, sounded like "how f@#$ing nice it would be to float... I'll be damned!!!" I felt the separation very clearly, and felt slowly rising like a soap baloon. My mantra transformed into "floating... is nice, but so f@#$ing scary!". Then I felt falling down and to the left (like rolling down the hill) until I touched the wall. So I'm floating there like a medusa, and then I moved to the next problem - I couldn't see darn thing. I tried wishing/turning on/enabling the astral sight, but remained blind as a kitten. I felt uncomfortable not being able to see anything given the unfamiliar environment, so I snapped back.

What could be the cause of the blindness? What should I try if I remain sightless the next time?

I have the following question regarding the reincarnation theory.
According to the theory, self (soul) exists before, during, and after physical life; I.E. body of a newborn child is occupied by already existing spirit. This implies existence of available soul for each newborn, which is a bold assumption - you need a system that tracks every birth (insect, animal, human, alien, etc), maintains the supply of spirits, and guarantees assignment of exactly one (not zero or two) spirit to each and every newborn - and you need that system not simply to handle Earth, but the whole physical Universe! The matches need to be temporally synchronized; then you need to account for the fact that less advanced spirits need animal bodies, while more advanced need human/humanoid/alien bodies (if we do not restrict ourselves to Earth). That is WAY too complicated to be a workable theory.

What would happen if there is a newborn organism in the physical world (not necessarily human), capable of supporting a spirit, but there is shortage of those? Why do we never see it happen? Even the cloned Dolly sheep appeared as "spiritual" as its original counterpart. It is extremely likely that a cloned human would be "normal" in that regard as well, even if there was no conception.

Straightforward explanation would be that a new sentinel spirit is created to occupy the body, if none available. But then if something is creatable, then, by symmetry, it is also perishable, and the whole immortality business goes down the drain.

What do you think?

Quote from the nearby post:
"Last night I came clostest as I have ever been to a projection and it was without the use of any audio files, it was out of pure concentration and will power, which is the best way to project."

In some posts I sometimes see people having an implicit opinion that using external tools in achieving OBE is "for suckers", and the true hardcore OBEers do it by hard work and pure willpower.

However, I would like to emphacize that even though these factors are detrimental for any task, sometimes it may not be enough.

1. Some people have very thin hypnagogic band, so it is more difficult for them to balance on it without falling asleep, while others have no problem in remaining in that state.

2. Various people may have various "vibrational thresholds", meaning one person may have to go deeper than another to reach the vibrational state.

3. Various people have different degrees of muscle tonus; so if both of them "relax", their absolute degrees of relaxation may differ drastically. Thus, one person may have to spend more time learning techniques to counteract the tonus and increase the physical relaxation to acceptable level.

4. Various people may have different degrees of conscious control over their brain frequencies,  so if one can quickly achieve trance without using any tools, another may need some external help for that.

5. Various people may have different conditions of their energy bodies. One may have a naturally tuned EB with chakras working like Swiss watches, while the other may have undeveloped chakras and clogged up energy pathways, which would require extra work with energy raising to take care of that.

6. etc.

Considering the factors above, one person may OBE after several half-assed attempts, while the other may have little results despite a year of daily excercizes. Thats why I think that any tools or methods that may help are acceptable. As they often say in shooting sports - "use whatever works for YOU". Our case is similar. If you are able to achieve altered states of consciousness with no problems - good for you; but don't look down on those who have no natural ability, and have to stick with "whatever works".

Green hopping guy in a turban? Sounds like Castaneda's Mescalito (as per his second encounter in the first book)

Been eating peyote recently by any chance? []

[singularity referred not to Astral Dynamics, or PPSD, but to some other obscure book that has no connection whatsoever to astral projection, Robert Bruce, Astral Pulse website, or this forum, managing to confuse himself, and all of you [][B)]]

People, people!

singularity referred not to Astral Dynamics, or PPSD, but to some other obscure book that has no connection whatsoever to astral projection, Robert Bruce, Astral Pulse website, or this forum, managing to confuse himself, and all of you [][B)]

Err... Pardon my ignorance, but how is that book related to the AP site? What "book come-ons" are you talking about?

There ARE two books that are directly related to this site, but they are GG [].

As a local binaural hacker ([]) I should point out that these samples are fundamentally different from the other binaural stuff out there, in a sence that they do not employ a fixed frequency carrier, and instead utilize pitch shift of the whole spectrum to produce the frequency differential.

Definitely worth checking out.

Also make sure to brush your teeth AND TONGUE thoroughly, all the way to the back before you attemt a projection - that will initially increase salivation, but later it will be significantly reduced.

If you keep the head elevated, the swallowing reflex is much easier and smoother, as opposed to head being aligned with the spine.

Let me chime in, as my experiences are very similar to yours.

Regarding not-overly-impressive reaction. Before I've had my first full-blown OBE I've experienced vibes a couple of times, and have had several weak OBEs, and, most importantly, I've read many books on the subject, as you did. So in our case, we've developed step-by-step, while being armed with all essential knowledge about what to expect. My impressions were not "OMFG WOW!!!", but more like "ookay... proceeding according to operational parameters".

I bet those who have had powerful spontaneous OBEs without having any apriori knowledge on the subject were much more impressed.

Astral sight problems are VERY common, and I suffered from it too. Most effective things to try are the following: move away from your body; try looking at your hands and seeing them; try "switching on" the sight by an affirmation such as "sight NOW!" or "main screen turn ON!".

Blurry sight, distortions, and weakness are signs of lack of energy. Keep practicing and doing energy work, and the picture quality will eventually increase.

To distinguish the OBE memories from the dreams, as they are somewhat similar in certain respects, I usually say to myself during an OBE: "Captain's log: Tonight is November 20th, and I'm fully conscious and having an OBE. Proceeding according to the mission objectives..." or something like that.

PrimaSounds does not appear to use binaural techonology. It is simply music composed on another scale, which they claim to have some impact on the chakras, which I'm highly skeptical about. Nevertheless, sounds (ooh, a pun!) intereseting.

There are two signals:
(format: carrier_freq/binaural_freq@time interval)

120/20@0 -> 100/7@10-20

The other one is

75/3.5@8-20 with increasing volume from 0 to 100% over the time interval.

Background: Faint pink noise
Sound quality: poor

Not too different from any of the other stuff out there; may work for some and may not work for others, as usual.

Definitely not worth any money.

Looking at your name, ending with NY I thought you might be from NYC area, so I was thinking we could meet up and have a chat (hmm... a certain ongoing thread in this forum comes to mind... anyway).

If you feel scared, your only choice is to get some books on the subject, as fear is effectively eliminated by knowledge. Look up the following authors on Amazon: R. Monroe, R. Bruce, W. Buhlmann.

You are saying you are not wanting to project. Well, you're in a wrong place then, because most people here want exactly the opposite [B)][].

Remember: happy thoughts no matter what! []

Beavis, if you care, Artificial Intelligence, Neural Nets, and Machine Learning are my areas of specialization in my MS degree. The most important thing I learned is that even though these things may learn various hypotheses quite well, they are as dumb as old shoe consciousness-wise, even the most complex ones. They learn, but they do not think. They may simulate some applied "intelligence", but I do not believe any neural network can posess self-realization.

I second Jeff_Mash in his stance on role-of-brain issue. The consciousness is not a function of the brain.

Ceriel, when I read your posts, I cannot but wonder how you carelessly jungle all these terms and ideas about cosmology, consciousness, chaotic systems, event horizons, void, black holes, entropy, thermodynamics, Big Bang, (I wonder how come you didn't throw String Theory into the pot), etc.

In order to have a fruitful discussion on these topics and how they relate to each other, one must possess strong background (at least doctorate) in traditional modern physics and be able to work with related mathematical apparati (that require a doctorate on their own), be a philosopher, and have thorough knowledge of esoteric concepts and be aware of the planes of existence other than physical. There may be a handful of such people on this planet, and I'm not one of them (are you? If yes, I humbly ask you to direct me to your list of published books/articles). It makes me laugh and cry when I see people start Cosmological speculations having taken college Physics I/II and read some Hawking [)]. As such, I'm not qualified to rebut your statements so I humbly shut up.

P.S. Sorry for the OT.

quote:Chaos is Notingness, null and void, but at the same time it is endless potential.

I hope you were joking when you said that.

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" I'd just rather hear it from Robert Bruce himself, as he has been projecting for over 25 years. "

I would understand your attitude if your questions were way too advanced and complicated, e.g. concerning projections into planes beyond Astral, or something concerning mind split, etc. - the stuff that cannot be answered by casual OBEer. But since most of your questions are "AP101" level, and can be answered by very many people on this board who are more than qualified to answer basic questions, or better yet by simple forum search, I don't quite understand your attitude.

Regarding the metallic stuff: according to Astral Dynamics, it sometimes causes problems for some people, but not for others. From the context of that particular chapter one may conclude that if a problem is related to metallic objects, the subject usually notices it since the problems are localized. In other words, if you have problems with your braces, you will know about it. I've had some successful projections (but I'm still at the newbie level, so you can disregard my awfully uneducated answer unworthy of your attention if you want []) while wearing my heavy steel watch that I never take off; did not notice any problems that can be related to that.

I haven't read the book yet, but regardless of my forthcoming judgement regarding the material, thank you is in order []

I would guess in about 99.9% of projections the launch pads were either bed or armchair.

You need to be REALLY hardcore to be able achieve deep physical relaxation and Focus 10/12 if there are people around doing all sorts of distracting stuff, like being there.

http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/
http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html

See the index of logical fallacies, study them, and know them. Learn to recognize them, and never use them yourself, accidentally or intentionally.

There is also Capeck's "12 moves of polemics or a guide to newspaper discussion", but I can't find it in English.

In most discussions that I see on the internet (especially religious), I see people very often using (unknowingly most of the time) either logical fallacies or "illegal" polemical maneuvres. If a debate is free from those, it qualifies as being philosophical.

In any case, read Plato man []

I was actually more interested in the aspects of staying in deep trance for prolonged period of time, as opposed to preliminary energy-work related issues.

DT is characterized by continuous feel falling/floating, partial/full paralysis, very apparent energy movement sensations (as oppsed to tingling associated with normal trance), and zero-thought.

If I stop thinking, I fall asleep within several minutes or less. If I start thinking, I snap back to light or normal trance. So the main question is: how do you stay there for long time without thinking and not falling asleep?

"I spent several hours in a deep trance state." - man, this is hardcore! How many years have you been practicing meditation to achieve that?

Getting to, and remaining for mere 2 minutes in deep trance without becoming too awake or falling asleep is an extremely difficult task for me. I thought it was normal; to quote R.B., "It is very difficult to get into the deep-trance state, even deliberately. It could not reasonably be expected to happen spontaneously or accidentally to one who has not yet mastered the full-trance state." And I'm by no means a master.

Omni, how about some tips from a pro to a newbie?