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It may be an individual thing then.

I havent had a lucid dream yet that i could fully control. The parameters for me, have already been  locked in and although i may have some control, trying to change the entire scene into something i would like to see or experience just brings me back waking conscious.

Maybe with enough practice it is possible. I must try that next time I have a lucid dream?

I find becoming aware before the exit gives me much more control. I can control my location, destination and how i interact within the experience much better from this starting point. However I am always open to new possibilites and have been having some quite lucid experiences lately without trying to achieve astral awareness. I will give it a go and let you know how i get on. Cheers

Definitely an OBE. Congratulations. I had an almost identical experience my first time however, I was trying and it sounds as though you were not. Interesting.

The voices you heard were your helpers or guides. For some reason they must have thought it a good idea to help you exit. I met mine on my very first outing and they were very helpful. They were concerned about my reaction to the whole experience. When I said that I felt great, they disappeared and true reality appeared.

Now sight in the astral is an unusual sensation. Right now i am looking through my eyes and i see my hands typing and the side of my nose just to the right of my left eye and vice versa through my left eye. But in the astral i saw none of this lol. No nose, hands nothing. Later when i got better i was able to study my hands and body and only then did i notice that they are there but on a different frequency...they look like they are surrounded by a bluish grayish haze.

I have noticed aura's of people and objects are easier to see in the astral. Colors are quite vivid as well if you are prepared to take the time out to study things like flowers and tree's etc. I have seen some amazing color combinations in the astral especially with flowers.

I cannot comment on how anyone else perceives the astral realm but i would imagine that it would be similar.

Yes there are different kinds of OBE's.

These are some of the ones i know of:

Conscious - Actively initiated and directed.

Forced - Pulled out without your initiation or permission. Can be good and bad. Good one are when your guides have an important message for you. Bad ones are when someone or something is trying to invade your body.

Future - Travels to future time

Past - Travels to the past

Local - Conscious travels in your bedroom or around your house

Green filter - These are usually not fun. They are unique because of the green hue to the light and as yet i havent had a good experience with them. Just back out if you have one of these.

Astral Attack - I have been attacked in the astral and it spilled out into the physical. I have not as yet read anything in this forum about astral attacks but it has happened to me. It began as a forced exit - then it turned ugly. So much so that I had trouble getting myself to wakeup. Each time I thought i was awake, I was not. Very scary and frustrating. The details of which I will not disclose here but if anyone has an experience similar to this and they want advice, ask me then.

When moving through walls be aware that you may not always arrive where you expect. Going through the roof in my house has landed me 5 years in the future in a house i did not know but would eventually move into. All details to the letter. So, be sure about you destination. If you end up somewhere else then your helpers must need you to pay attention something in this place and time. It may be more important than what you planned to do.

Good luck

Here is another method.

Most people travel anyway, they just don't remember. So, try to wake up just before astral awareness happens.

Relax and gently tell your mind that when the vibrations begin, to then wake you up. Now if that works don't open your eyes, just remain still and continue to relax. Allow the vibrations to move through your body. Do not panic or become afraid. Allow them to move and relax.

I know i am making it sound simple but believe me it is not. It took me 4 years to achieve and it happened just as i was about to give up permanently.

Good luck

As far as I know buddy you cannot cross from a lucid dream to a conscious OBE. The reason for this is because you are a passive observer during a lucid dream. You may have limited control but as you said, you keep losing control. Thats because you are not fully IN control.

Here is why. Every night most people astral travel unfortunately most do not remember. When you become aware in a lucid dream, you are basically hitching a ride on an astral travel. The one in control is your subconscious. This is its world. It is comfortable in it.

Ever notice that when you become lucid in a dream that you seem to have a familiarity with your surroundings? You may even have memories that you can recall in your lucid state but then when you wake up you realise that you have no idea where you were or where the memories came from. This is because you are not in control but you share the same mind with the part that is in control.

So, you must learn to become conscious just before your mind/astral body, call it what you like, enters astral awareness. By catching the exit, your conscious mind will then be in control. This is a very unsettling experience at first. You may experience some fear and maybe even hysteria but as long as you are aware that you cannot be harmed in the astral and are prepared to trust your self and your helpers, then you will be ok.

May I ask why you want to do this? Motives are important.

Yep thats the real thing.

The councillor was your helper. The first few times you do this they will be around and you may even talk to them as you did. They are trying to ascertain your overall feelings about the whole thing because to them, this is a monumental occasion.

Good luck with that and a little tip, if they give you some advice...PLEASE TAKE IT!

You will not regret it. Call them up occasionally and ask for guidance and protection.

Peace

Yep here is some advice buddy. Dont take drugs to try and get there.

Besides by-passing the normal barriers that are there to protect you from insanity or worse, the drugs may even influence what it is that you see and that my friend decreases the value of what you can bring back.

Yes it is possible to control the whole thing but it is a gradual process. There is no hurry, you have the rest of your life to master it if that is your destiny.

You have seen something and experienced the vibrations. Know at least that there is something going on and now try to achieve it without drugs.

Look through more postings within this site. There are lots of practical tips.

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1 - Have you ever encountered more evolved beings?
a: Yes

1.1 - If so, describe the place:
There have been quite a few but I suppose the most interesting ones i met in an underwater cave in a stream that runs past my house


      what were they like:
There were 4 males and they shared similar features. Their hair was long and shiny copper coloured with streaks of gold. They wore what looked like white robes. One spoke to me and when i asked questions they would discuss the answer between themselves before answering me but only the first one would actually address me.


      what have you learned from them:

When I asked where I was they answered: You are not exactly where you think you are, but you are in a world that lies between our world and yours.

They made comments about relatives that had passed on. When i asked how they knew these people, after discussions between themselves, the one speaking said, "In our world we have a record. This record contains all knowledge from your world and ours. It is called the 'Niko Kora'

I have never heard this word before or read it anywhere. An interesting side note is the last of the four entities had a real suspicious look on his face throughout the entire process as if he was unsure what or how much to tell me. A couple of times i saw him outright disagree with what the others had decided to share with me...very curious situation.

The speaker then told me he was going to share quite a bit with me and then proceeded to talk. However, at this point i could not actually hear what he was saying. His lips moved but nothing came out. Many years later i met another traveller much more experienced than me who said that this is how astral entities share important information. The information is loaded into your 'hard drive' or subconscious memory and will filter through to your normal consciousness while you are doing somethin totally unrelated. He was right. Sometime after i was weeding my garden, fully conscious, then i stopped and stared at the ground for a second or 2 while a voice began talking to me about some quite bizarre things. To much to relate here.



2 - What have you found out about life on other planets?
a: Not sure about this one, as there are only two locations i know of, places i have been to and places i haven't. The places I don't know could be on other planets but there is no way to tell.

I did however find myself working on a dam beside a pyramid once. I had a strong feeling that this was not earth. It was mars. I know it sounds strange but hey that's what I saw. While travelling to work one day, on mars, we were being struck by what looked like small meteors coming from the sky. The sky was red and stormy. There were many pyramids around us and all looked like they had been damaged in either a war or some kind of natural cataclysm. I think this was a clip of a past life.

3 - What was the most interesting conversation you had? What did you ask/say and hear?
a:
There have been many. The one outlined in the beginning ranks in the top 3 but there have been others. Another one was a conversation that i was having with a entity that introduced himself as my teacher. He kept saying this strange set of words and showing me images of nature. For instance i was shown a country side with rolling hills and trees, then it would change to a sort of 3D wireframe landscape of the entire scene and then it would zoom into the lines that ran through the image crisscrossing each other. I was told that this was a matrice. Then the strange set of words he said were "? ? Energy Matrix". He repeated them over and over again. Then he would say "remember this" I replied "yes Ive got it" he replied " No you haven't!" I replied "Yes I HAVE!" Well when i woke up, i forgot the first two words. lol Later while reading a certain site on the net i recognised the two missing words. "Light Encoded Energy Matrix" If your interested to know what this is, goggle it. You will be delightfully surprised...I was.

4 - Describe 3 things/creatures that you saw there, but never saw here:

I have met a large lizard like creature that walked on two legs. It was dressed in what looked like an ancient priests robe. I became conscious one night during a travel and noticed i was following this being through the corridors of a large stone building. It climbed a couple of steps at the end of the corridor and then turned to me. I think it realised that i was conscious and quickly changed its form to a human with a long beard, it was as if it was surprised that i had become conscious and didn't want to scare me with its previous form. It then began reading from a large book. Again same as before, lips moved but no words. Being was about 14 - 15 feet tall.

5 - If you've been able to read, what did you read about? How many consecutive words do you remember?
a: Yes but not often.

5.1 - Have you read words you haven't seen here before?
Yes. The word Matrice was shown to me one night and i had to look it up the next day to see what it meant (5 years before the movie matrix came out).

For those interested Matrice or the plural Matrix =

(mathematics) a rectangular array of quantities or expressions set out by rows and columns; treated as a single element and manipulated according ...
(geology) amass of ingrained rock in which fossils, crystals, or gems are embedded
an enclosure within which something originates or develops (from the Latin for womb)
the body substance in which tissue cells are embedded
the formative tissue at the base of a nail



6 - Ever learned special tricks to be used there?
a:
Not sure what you mean here

7 - Ever received a solution to a problem?
a:
Yes. To many to list here.

8 - Describe the most amazing thing you saw:

Again too many to mention. Hm mm I did see an experiment in astral projection done by an American agency once. While travelling in a certain location I noticed voices communicating much like a group of people on the moon talking to ground control about what they were seeing.

I assumed they were American because of the accent. As I flew over a very beautiful landscape scene I could hear the voices saying stuff like:

Traveller: Can you see the glow around the trees?

Groundcontrol: Yes, what do you think it is?

Traveller: I'm not sure, could it be a trick of the light?

Groundcontrol: Maybe, keep looking

At this point, I remember thinking to myself, "Its the aura you silly people, while having having a little chuckle to myself"

Immediately after thinking that I heard a voice say:

"Who was that? Is there someone else in there with you guys? Hes not with us sir. Hold all communications until futher notice...Will do."

I realised i had been heard and quickly left that location.

My conclusion is that I must have interrupted an experiment of some kind. It may have been a CIA remote viewing experiment in which case forget i said anything and it was probably just a dream anyway...that's my story and I'm sticking to it lol.

9 - Describe the most amazing thing you did:

I have battled entities for my right to travel certain locations. Not physically of course but more a battle of wills. This I believe was my initiation and once passed, I was given access to higher realms. Te lower entities do not bother me anymore.

The details of this incident are still quite traumatic for me so I would rather not share them here. Maybe later but what i can say is this, the two worlds did merge and the astral became literally entwined in the astral. In other words astral beings and awareness were manifesting in physical reality. The two worlds were touching.

This was the most amazing and the hardest thing i have had to do in here.



10 - Describe your most amazing validation:
please read some of my other posts on experiences. In my opinion they are all self validating.

11 - Ever had your astral body malformed or defective? What was it like?

I once became conscious before an exit while sleeping on my side and found my astral body half in and half out.

I noticed when i opened my physical eyes that my vision was on a 45 degree slant. I couldn't figure it out. It took a little while for me to realise my head was still stuck in my body but my feet were floating in the air placing by astral body on a 45 degree angle. I metally commanded my astral to realign with my physical and it did.

I then thought that if I could roll my physical onto its back, I could then leave as usual and all will be good, however when i rolled over i noticed this large bump on my chest. I got a little anxious and thought "What the $%^&" And then i realised what it was. It was my physical shoulder. I have rolled my astral body and my physical was still on its side. I should point out that I am fully conscious throughout this whole thing. I did manage to turn my physical while still in astral awareness and fully conscious. I experimented with moving my limbs for about half an hour. It really was quite fun. I could see my physical arms resting my chest, while I could feel my astral arms waving around. I could also see them. There was a grayish blueish hazy light around my astral arms. It was around this time that i decided that this was real and not a dream.
a:

13 - Describe the 3 strangest sentences you heard:

none spring to mind

14 - Describe 3 things that you still want to try in the astral:

I would like to read the akashic record one day while being fully conscious


12 - What interesting things have you found out about the Universe?

that there are more mysteries contained within than our little minds currently have the ability to comprehend or perceive.
a:

15 - If you believe in a God, what clues have you gotten about it's existence?

None whatsoever. If he or she is there, then they are keeping themselves well disguised or just plain hidden. I have however met Jesus Christ or someone disguised as him to stop me wondering why he had suddenly appreared in my OBE. Oh and this was a forced exit. Forced exits are done without your consent and are initiated by other entities good and bad. Once you are able to exit, forced exits are a possibility. Something I have not mentioned yet but has happened on a few occasions usually when someone has an important message for me. 

16 - Ever been lectured on the process of Creation?

Yes but we would be here for a while talking about that one...lol If you are interested send me a PM and I will share it with you. [/]

Hi

May I ask whay you want to do this so badly? Is there a specific reason?

I am asking this to try and understand your urgency. There are good reasons and dangerous ones. If your reasons are good then be patient, you will get there. If not, re-examine your motivations because you may actually get there...but may not get the results you hoped for.

Isn't this just another make up of your subconscious. I'm mean the entire focus 2 is your subconscious, so the guardians should also be? unless you are in focus 3 perhaps?

Please excuse me for not knowing what focus 2 or 3 are. From what I have read so far it sounds like they are creations of the subconscious mind and subjective to the observer.

Helpers are not creations of the subconscious mind. They were there before you began to AP and as far as i know, the quickening of your personal frequency by process of AP is the only way to meet them. Now whether you believe that or not is inconsequential. The further you go into the Astral, the closer you will come to the initiation. Once you have arrived there, your helpers advice, subconscious or not, will be invaluable.

Good luck and thanks for the question.

Yes I agree with everyone on this point. As yet I have felt no pain however i am curious to know if anyone has felt anything physical, ever while in the astral.

There is only one object I actually felt while in the astral and it was copper. Heres what happened.

The very first time I separated, I floated above my bed for a few seconds. I decided to check to see what was in the next room by putting my arm through the wall. I expected to find the wall to my lounge on the other side of my bedroom and if it was all good, (no monsters waiting to bite my hand off etc) I intended to go straight through the wall. My hand went straight through the wall, quite an unsettling experience at first, then I proceeded to wave them around ( searching for monsters) I was surprised to feel two perpedicular objects standing in what I thought was my lounge. My hand went through them as usual but there was resistance at these points. When I became conscious again I went around the corner to see what was on the other side.

Imagine my surprise when I found it was not my lounge on the other side of the wall but the hotwater cylinder and the two objects I was feeling were the copper pipes that run from the cylinder in to the ceiling. So as far as I know you are not able to feel anything physical except is seems...copper. Very curious. Maybe it has something to do with its conductive properties and the astral bodies natural electrical field.

Any ideas?

Hi There

I agree. It sounds like an authentic travel however I think the hand that grabbed you and the voice that you heard actually came from your helper or helpers.

No-one enters the astral without their knowledge and eveyone has helpers. They can change from time to time depending on different circumstances but as a rule you have at least one helper for your entire life. It is their job to help you in times of stress, trauma or emotionally taxing situations...and spritiual, astral development.

As I have stated elsewhere on this forum, they are responsible for your spiritual wellbeing while in the astral as it is more theri home than yours. You are able to see them, speak to them, and in times of danger within the astral, advise you.

Good on you. Keep it up. Initiation will be next. Stay strong.

Interesting Comments from everyone.

I do not claim to be an expert in any of these topics but I can say, 100% that I have astral projected. I have done it through sleep paralysis but that was more as an accident rather than on purpose.

I woke up in the middle of the night once to find my self paralysed. I remember a fear gripping me because i could not move. Then I remembered that fear is the obstable so I relaxed all my muscles and just let go. 3 seconds later I was out of my body. Not my preferred method but hey each to their own.

Meditation, is my opinion is sleep without losing consciousness. Mind rest while awake. This allows your mind to send freed up resources usually spent on sight, speech, movement etc to revitalise, heal and refresh your body and mind. When done properly intuition is improved along with emotional balance, problem solving and in the case of creative meditation, normal reality can be influenced. It can also help you hear the quiet voice of ... the universe, for want of a better word.

Now my preferred method for exit is to declare my intention to myself 3 times before I go to sleep. Then I relax and drift off. Now most people separate anyway almost everynight, but not everyone remembers. Thats the trick.

So, just before my vibration begins to quicken, I wake up, not totally awake just semi aware...then POW! Im out and in full control as well. Im not sure how I programmed myself to become aware at that precise moment but the more I practiced, the more my astral body/soul or whatever, learned to understand my intentions and I suppose facilitate the process...if that makes sense lol.

In 1997 I saw myself at a house that I had never been to before. The layout was distinctive with a dinig area opening up to the lounge. The clarity was amazing. The color of the house from the outside was grey and the number on the wall was 6. There were 2 other people in a the house at the time, a relative and a close friend I had not seen for over 10 years as he lived about 1000kms from where I was at that time.

In 2000, the friend I had not seen in 13 years (3 years after the inital AP) called me to ask if I had a spare room for him as he had just landed a job in my area. I said yes and a week later he was renting a room at my house. 2 weeks after that my cousin, the other person that I had seen in the AP also called me asking if I had another room to rent. I said yes and he planned to move in a week later however the following week he told me he had just bought a new home and asked if I wanted to move in with him along with my friend who was also a friend of my cousins.

The friend moved 2 weeks later from my place to the new place while I sorted out the rental property we were in. At this stage I had totally forgotten about the AP 3 years earlier. It wasnt until I arrived at the new house that I realised this was the house. It was grey with the number 6 on the wall. I walked inside and the layout was exactly as I had seen it, and...the two people I had seen in the house 3 years prior, were also there.

Explain that one! lol....Absolutely True and one of many amazing experiences.

I also agree with other posters that "proof" is difficult because it relies on someone elses say so, but the real proof is through trying it yourself, however skeptics make the worst AP'ers because belief that it is possible is one of the first things you need.

Good luck with that.

Hi. Good point.

I agree with you however may i also point out that like anything, practice makes perfect.

I am a first time contributor to this forum and i must say, from what i have read so far I am not totally convinced that everyone that has commented here even knows what astral projection is.

In regards to your comments, can i just say, that if you have genuinely achieved astral status (heightened awareness and vibration) then that is the most important thing for now. You will know for sure when you are approached by people, in the form of actual people you trust, asking about how you feel about the whole experience.

These are your guardians and it is their duty to assist you in your transition to extra dimentional realities. If you have not met them, it is doubtful you are there yet. If you have, and the "thats not how you use a teapot" guy may actually have been one of them trying to convey a message to you but initially, while your mind is still trying to make sense of it all, it may sound like gibberish.

Once in the astral, you are in their realm, and everyone has a helper or 3. You cannot get there without their ok because if you are seriously harmed, they are in big trouble for allowing it to happen in the first place.

My advice is: Stay positive, fear nothing, always know where you are (in bed) as a point of reference. Never place yourself there. You are an observer only. There is much to learn and much to see.

Good luck