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I am having trouble attaining a state of trance. What seems to help is visualizing a screen of colors descending from Red to Violet (and then white).  However, I do not feel comfortable using chakra-related techniques. It is a bit complicated and scary to tell the truth. I do not think I have the patience to pay attention to each one specifically and open/close them, etc.. etc...

But so far, chakra-related techniques have seemed more successful than anything else. So are there any similar techniques to acquire a deep trance without using chakras.

Something about the countdown from 'color to color' and 'body area' to 'body area' (chakra to chakra) seems to be the key, I'm guessing. But I'm just not comfortable using these specific techniques. Any input?

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Just tossing this out. The original poster sounded like he had a dissociative episode, derealization.

Yes that's it.

Whenever I seek this feeling I seem to imagine EVERYTHING (the earth, the room I'm in, My body, etc..) does NOT exist. As if everything God created is only in my head. If I had to give it a name I'd name it "Twilight Zone Effect" or something similar.

As for WHERE I go, I'm not really sure. I just know it's not physical or has any relation to the physical. Still stumped.

Hello Astral Pulse,

I just wanted to quickly share a personal technique of mine I've been using for years to obtain a state of dreaming or fantasy. Only now that I'm a rookie APer, I use it to obtain a state of exploring my different levels of consciousness. I've always preferred to live in a dream world than the physical and this experience can be beneficial for others out there.

I use the term 'experience' rather than 'technique' because it's different for everyone.

It's quite simple actually.

First, you lay down and get comfortable as if you were falling asleep or just relaxing. I don't meditate or anything, just lay there perfectly aware of everything around me. Then close your eyes and focus on a spot to your left. SHIFT your imaginary consciousness to this spot. Pretend to be in this spot. Then shift your imaginary consciousness to your regular laying position. Repeat the process for the spots to your right, foot, head, above and below. I say imaginary only to get the feel of your consciousness. After a while, it WILL become your consciousness, if not, it's pretty close.

Next, I focus on a faraway location, it's mostly always imagined. Personally, I am obsessed with the show Charmed,and pretend I have the power to orb (magical transportation). So I would pretend that I orb my astral body to this magical location. Once here, I pick a sturdy object such as a fence, tree, or table and focus on it. Touch it, hold it, feel it, grab it and never let go. This sort of holds me to this location and I slowly feel my physical body fade away.

Then, once I feel I'm sturdy enough in my mind to walk around, and imagine different scenarios, I usually orb off to another location, and talk to people I imagine up or perform different magical feats. I say magical because it helps separate the idea of reality, which is a big obstacle in most OBE.

Gradually, the more time I spend imagining these places and scenarios, the less I have to use my imagination, it's like I'm breathing life into my own mind. And it gradually become it's own.

I found this to be the best exercise/technique for myself to obtain a sense of separated consciousness. It may work for most of you, but then again it might not. It works best for me because it simply does. I threw out all of the "techniques" I read about and simply sought an Out-of-body/Astral/Lucid experience and this technique described above NATURALLY happened. Find out what comes NATURALLY to you. Maybe this is it.

Yes, it does kind of feel like you are higher, like you are aware of something that others are not aware of.

But this awareness does not make you feel happier or more fulfilled, it does the exact opposite. When I am in this state, I want to get back, because I don't feel joy of life anymore, even if I am happy while in this state, my body feels this happines, not me...

Once, when I was in this state, and I meditated to peace, I felt this joy, that I have felt only once in my life with the same meditation- even this joy wasn't the same, it kind of was fulfilling as in the first time, but there was something missing... and although I was so happy and in joy and bliss, there still was missing this thing... this thing, like yourself... Yea some may say that it is what this whole thing is about, to connect to the nature and to the energy and become one and stuff like that... but it is supposed to feel good, like nothing is missing, when you do spiritual work, you feel more fullfilled as a being, not just your body...

I guess, the reason why this feels so uncomfortable is because you lose your identity, you are not happy, you become aware that you do everything automatically as a robot and life doesn't give you any joy of simply being here and now... I would say that your awareness shortens not expands although it feels like you are more aware of the situation than others...

And this is exactly how it feels. But I think that me and you see it differently. I guess at the end of the day, it all comes down to who the individual is. I'm still quite unsure of what it is, but I haven't actually done it in a while, but feel I can access that feeling more easily for some reason. I feel like all these years I've been learning of this state of mind to enter it now, whatever that means. Like my mind was getting used to switching to it or something.

Now I'm just confused. I'd like to believe that it is some sort of consciousness. I have to admit it is freaky but then again, what isn't? There are just some things we're not used to right?

Wakey, it makes me feel so much better that I'm not the only person who can do it. I've tried to explain it so many times to people. But do you think it's possible your just not accepting the feeling or somehow causing it to become a terrible experience.

Because as funny as it feels, it doesn't come across as a negative feeling at all..just weird and detached. But at the same time, I feel a sense of some sort as if I'm in a higher place. I'm going to try and enter this state and try to sustain it and see what happens. I'll let you guys know what happens.

I've been trying to astral project for a total of one week now. I'm fairly new to all of it. But the more I read up on the idea of phasing and the other focus areas, I can't help but feel a sense of familiarity. As if I've done it before...consciously. I had this thing I could always do with my mind. I enjoyed the feeling of it and did it quite often, but was always scared and ended the effect rather soon afterward, let me explain.

I could be sitting down, laying down, or standing. I would become still and pick a point of focus, an area of wall most of the time and simply gaze (I was always able to visualize better with my eyes open). Then I would think over and over again the following statement. "What if I wasn't here." Or something similar. As I repeated the thought, I imagine myself slowly receding from the world.

EDIT: I also thought of the idea that the world and everything I know is just a temporary state of mind, like the world has already ended and I'm just a figment of some sort, This helped the disconnect that I sought for.

When I attained the state of mind that "I'm not here." It's like my mind is somewhere else. I get a sense that it's more up yet here at the same time. Everything would look the same, but feels different. I could look at a TV, a mirror, my favorite game, anything and know what it was, but at the same time have no actual concept of it. It's hard to explain. This is when I freak out, and try to bring my mind back. When it comes back, I sort of feel the MEANING to objects again.

When I was younger, I did it to show my brother, hopefully so he could do it too. But then when I entered the state, I couldn't willingly exit it. So I ran around the house freaked out because everything felt different. But as soon as I freaked out, my mind came back.


Does anyone know exactly what this is? Even right now, I'm channeling that same thought/feeling, and sense everything in my sight sort of fading in transparent blots. Was I entering another focus or body, and at the same time staying in my physical?
It would explain a lot, and I've spent YEARS of my life, wondering what it was. Could this be it?

It probably just means that everything in your reality isn't real as far as your subconscious or astral self or whatever is concerned, seeing your dream world.

I have similar themes attaining to my homes, neighborhoods and schools (way bigger but more complicated). BUt I can also fly and have this ability to detach myself from the dream's emotional values, which give me a lucid experience.

In reality, I see this as me, looking at the world as a subjective place. Many people say I have a 100& care-free attitude, and am just flying through life with no worries. Well...they're right, and that's what I do in my dreams.

So maybe you have the ability of manifestation also known as "The Secret" or the Law of Attraction and look at reality differently. Just like how I look at it differently. I'm not a firm believer of dimensions and such, but if there is such a thing, I'm pretty sure your world will be bigger and better, and you can conjure up anything you want. And mines would be complicated and diverse and I could do anything I want, despite what's going on around me.

There has been one lucid dream I had while inside my old house. I knew I was dreaming the whole time, but now that I was in  my house, I though it'd be good to go fly around and explore my dream world for some symbols to interpret upon wakening.

But before I could fly out of the window, a black dock was pulling my leg with it's teeth. It wasn't vicious or hurting, just trying to get my attention. So I pulled back into the house and made a commitment to explore the house instead for signs. Like the dog was telling me to look inside the house.

I found my family lying in their respectable beds with a black dog sitting on the side of the bed, sort of watching them. When I finally got to my room, expecting to see myself laying in the bed, I saw my sister lying in my bed instead and there were no black dogs in my room, but everyone elses. This is all I remember.

I woke up with a feeling that the interpretation in this dream is the most useful yet, seeing that I was lucidly looking for signs.

I'm so Happy you posted this. This has been happening to me lately. And you Shamballa thing sounds somewhat like mines.

The first one I had, was attached to a dream, but I woke from the dream heaing, "It's Orion, It's Orion" as in Orion's Belt.

The second one was a voice saying, "Shakkuh." I was confused and got an image or sense of someone dancing around a fire. Not sure if their connected though.

The third one was after a dream I was confused about, but when I woke up I heard a voice say, "It's about a man becoming a priest."

What is this voice? Is it our inner voice? Or something else. IT seems to know my dreams better than I do. And I googled SHakkuh, and got nothing.

Nice techniques, personally I never thought of songs to interpret dreams.

But I dance a lot in my dreams (just like in waking life) to different songs, I'll pay attention to this next time.

Figured I post my flying ability.

When I was younger, I was always able to hover or levitate. I would sit down and cross my toddler legs in a pretzel and concentrate. I would find my dream self levitating up in the air. But since I was so young, I was scared to go so high, but found myself doing so anyways. If I didn't go back towards the ground, I just flew straight up and remember waking up after that.

During my kid ages, I was able to...glide, is a good word. I could fly around willingly (within city/town limits) but found myself getting swept up in certain air tides and/or currents. It was like riding an invisible, unpredictable ride. I always had to guide my landing to land where I wanted, it was probably 60-70% control.

As a teenager, A whole new set of abilities came. I was able to hover, levitate, fly, etc.. even while having a non-lucid dream. I remember several instances from super jumps, walking the air, etc.... During my teens, this ability was VERY active, probably once a night or more. There are far too much dreams to count on my behalf of me doing these things.

Now, (I'm 18), I remember a few NEW experiences. I will be flying the WORLD. There would be like mini regions below me, showing different kinds of houses. I've had these in my teen years, but their more vivid now. One of them was the CLEAREST ever. I felt so different. I was in a zoo (dreaming), but I was trapped by animals and wanted to get out, so I flew out and up. Next thing I know, I'm on top of the world, the water, air, and sky were so DAMN CLEAR! The zoo below me had even changed, Penguins and birds flew around me and I could see a stray animal taking up it's own beautiful island like region. It was amazing.

their seems to be less of them ,but I've been trying to astral project every day, and I guess my attention is strayed, or I'm, just not remembering properly. I haven't had a lucid dream since I tried to AP, so I don't know. But I know when I do start to lucid dream again, I'll have more than enough control over my flying ability, and now that I've been reading up on OBE, I'll for sure try to use that flying ability to have an OBE.

I only did it for a few minutes, but when I sensed the link starting to work, my inner ankle started to sting. I didn't actually see anything but I sort of imagined a spurted brown line going up, Like a fast growing tree or something, or a niagra effect. Hope I helped.

I had a cat once, and he really doesn't distract me often (except when I'm on the computer for hours and then he jumps on my back). But one night, I was sleeping, and I remember having a lucid dream, VERY lucid, and then I felt a terrible pain in my leg. It felt like someone pinch an area of skin and twisted it with a stapler remover. I knew instantly it was a cat bite. It made my dream fade away, bringing me more to conscious. So I woke up, irritated and mad, and found my cat's tail hurrying away from the bed. He's NEVER bitten me like that before so I always wondered why? Maybe he sensed me about to cross some astral/lucid barrier?

Hey, quick question/thought.

I lucid dream frequently, in fact, I'll have a dream, and dream that I was lucid dreaming (a lucid dream within a dream). But these are just dreams, they're not really obes, I just know they weren't.

Anyway, in most to all of my dreams, lucid or NOT, I have this ability to hover, fly, levitate, or jump really high.
This could be for the whole dream, a section of the dream or sometimes just once, but I can do either of these fairly easy, as if it were as simple as walking or breathing.

Most of the time, it's mostly hovering within the dreamscape I'm in.
A couple of times, I would fly over the world.
The little jumps and levitations occur often, but the flying is the most occurring.

I always thought it was just that my ability to be unrestricted from waking life stress allowed me this dream ability, but now that I'm reading up on AP, can I possibility use this to obtain a full OBE? Does this mean I am close?

Any thoughts? Anyone have anything similar?