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Very true. It is hard to imagine a 'group' of humans that need leadership.

I'm talking evolved. Where all are leaders in their own right. No need for a person to take charge because each and every individual knows the other's job.

On a side note...

I have visited a PMR on a number of occasions that contained a city that was populated by such beings. There was evidently no leadership... also neither were the individuals like ants (Not ants visually but a hive-like society) which is what I first thought by the way they all seemed totally switched on. The architecture was very freestyle in nature and seemed ultimately perfect. In retrospect it reminded me a little of 'Naboo' from 'the Phantom menace'... I had these experiences about 9 years before the film. Also there was a massive band stretching across the sky like a massive white arch. I couldn't tell you if this was a construct or a ring system around the planet.

Wait, sorry, you'll have to explain again in another way. What does NPMR stand for? Was this a vision of the future? On earth? In the physical? What time period are you talking about here?

That band across the planet sounds cool. Are you saying that it might look somewhat like the architecture in the Venus Project. Socially like the Venus Project, too, in any sort of way?

Oh, that's easy. The nobles gases come from certain sources.

1. Beans
2. Cabbage
3. Onions
4. Eggs
5. Cheese
6. Prunes
7. Potatoes
8. Asparagus
9. Artichokes
10. Brussel Sprouts
11. Dairy
12. Some wheat

Does anyone else have something to add?

Cheers.

I might give a bit of info here, even though none of us seem to know what Heshe is up to.
Our governments are not actually... governments. This is one of the biggest media/marketing tricks, and even the rebels are fooled by it. What we consider to be the governments are really just a set of loosely connected criminal hierarchies who don't actually conduct any leadership (aside from telling soldiers who to kill) and have no intention of keeping any kind of order. They are the sole source of disorder.

Essentially, we've been in a state of anarchy for thousands of years, and those guys in the suits on TV are the anarchists.

I understand what you mean, but nothing of the nature of this social order has been explained, which -- again, I understand you don't know -- doesn't do much justice to your statement. You may call governments criminal organisations, but, whether or not they are good or evil, etc, they are, in the end, governing bodies, and thus governments. I wouldn't call them anarchists. If you want to read up on anarchism, read stuff from, say, Noam Chomsky - he's on the left side of anarchism.

This is what I am getting at: if it is anarchism that He-She is promoting, then what type of anarchism? It wouldn't be a loose, free-for-all anarchism; there would be some structures in place, given that it's a "worldwide endeavor".

Third, not everything the government does - and, not everyone in the government - is bad. There are some genuine people doing good things. Don't get me wrong, I know that there is an immense amount of corruption in governments, and, given the fact that we have separated our world into nations, there is fighting.

And, as I asked before, "What website was this? What movements and organisations do you think He-she is behind? Please don't say Monsanto... lol. I  find it hard to believe, though, that He-she was/is a psychiatric councilor."

I think Heshe would be aware of this, and that's what he's talking about with his vision of social order. People don't need the so-called governments watching them any more than a mouse needs a snake watching it. But even though Heshe knows some things, that of course doesn't mean he's one of the good guys. In fact he admits that he's a trickster. Imagine if you had lots of esoteric information, and an urge to trick people into doing stupid things for your enjoyment. Bad stuff would happen. It's even worse if the trickster has a lot of information that people would want.

I think He-she said it "amused and confused". As a university lecturer, He-she could have introduced various theories that were based on, say, paradoxes. These paradoxes, although false, would actually make the students think outside the box and become smarter, and, in a utilitarian manner, the students benefit from the false theories. They would become smarter as they would have to think harder, and criticize theories, in new and complex ways. Moreover, He-She would b enjoying itself in the process... nothing wrong there.

I'm saying that spiritual growth has absolutely nothing to do with anything physical in this reality.  It has to do entirely with yourself and your interactions with other consciousnesses here.  That doesn't include anything such as money, government, war, etc...

"If you can live and grow spiritually regardless of the environment around you... then you've won.  Be it government, wars, humanity... you *CAN* live and grow spiritually. The only person who stops you is *YOU*."

Nothing else really matters.

Eventually thing such as "governments" will cease to be required, because people will have awakened.

As for He-she... yeah, I guess you could say I believe it.  Remember, when you look at life from a spiritual perspective, everything changes completely.  You're not a physical human having a spiritual experience, you're a spiritual being having a human experience.

Yes, but your physical environments/genetics plays a role in your actual being/consciousness. Moreover, your actual being, in turn, affects your surroundings.

We all use money - unless you can live off the grid. If you don't, you starve. When you starve, you suffer, and then your brain ("physical" - well, technically nothing is) will make you irritable. This can be avoided if you are like the He-She being that didn't/doesn't need to eat food. If we can reach that point, I think we'd be living in paradise, whether or not you believe paradise is a good or a bad thing.

By your word, "required", you've indirectly said that governments, at this point in time, are justified. If you don't believe in government, you should have said, "governments will cease to be." and leave it at the period. I am not saying whether governments or not are justified; I am looking at this objectively.

Now, my question relating to my OP: if you believe in He-She's existence, and that He-She is legit, then what was He-She trying to organise? What type of society? No government? Okay, what type of society? There are many forms of anarchism; which one? This isn't just a "do whatever" society that He-She is - along with others, do doubt - planning. It seems to be structural in some way.

Whether you think it's good, bad, necessary, and/or unnecessary, I'm just asking the question: what will it look like? There are plans, and, yes, I may or may not need to know these things, but I am simply asking a question. If you would be so kind (if you know what it is), could you please provide an answer. That's all. Thanks.

Remember though... ultimately, none of it matters in the slightest.

But, I don't know if it does or doesn't make the slightest of difference. I am asking a question; if you wish to provide answers, great, please do; if not, then fine. In saying it like that, it is, by it's very statement, pointless.

I saw a website that theorizes which movements Heshe is behind. I didn't get any cross-references so it's hard to say how reliable the theories are. I'm certainly in favor of the open source movement though.
It certainly would be nice to have more details. Monroe only asked a few questions and seemed satisfied with such short answers. I would have had a big list ready.
Heshe is said to be an organizer and his age is a good credential, but we don't know whether he can solve culture-wide problems, let alone planetary ones. Maybe he can, but, we just don't know that from here.

I wonder, sometimes, if Monroe is hiding some things, or a lot of things. His conversations in the astral seem too simple and short. I personally go into telepathic trances sometimes, and communicate with beings and databases from the outside. In about 10 seconds I can get a rush of information that takes several pages for me to explain later in text, and I get sounds and images and everything. Monroe speaks with these entities and only comes back with a short word-for-word conversation. It just seems 'off' to me.

What website was this? What movements and organisations do you think He-she is behind? Please don't say Monsanto... lol. I  find it hard to believe, though, that He-she was/is a psychiatric councilor.

Yeah, Monroe left a lot out on purpose, but the reasons why are subject to debate. Oh, so many questions.

The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise.

The future of humanity is entirely up to each individual who uses this reality in order to grow the quality of their consciousness.  Whatever happens on this Earth, humanity will always survive in one way or another... that's why no single group (or anything else of this physical reality) can have any impact upon us.  The only impact that can really happen is if this planet is destroyed completely, as in no life can exist here what-so-ever.  But even in such a scenario, it's still not important... because consciousness lives on, and you'll simply move on to somewhere else in order to continue learning/experiencing/growing.

I believe the book referenced here is his third book, "Ultimate Journeys".

What do you mean by this?: "The future of humanity has nothing to do with any government... world or otherwise."

Do you mean we shouldn't rely on government, and/or there won't be any government? If the latter, at which point do we reach a society with no government? Do you not believe He-she? If not, why? I'm just curious, that's all.

Interesting. Sounds like Monroe saw the future similar to me. I don't know how for into the future I was, but I'm sure it was at least a few centuries. An organization had setup their base in that time period because it was convenient, I guess because the world isn't in chaos in the future.

While some people can see the future, it's a little complicated because the future can be changed, and so the future Monroe saw may be different when humanity in general reaches it. The science behind this is a little wonky but, in short, all time periods are organized into local fields, which most of us fall through in a linear fashion. Some people have methods to artificially tunnel through these fields and go to different times much like going to different places. Thus we have a 'current' future which is subject to change, but we may hit a slightly different future when it happens, and that's why people often have premonitions of events that turn out slightly different from what they foresaw.

So, nobody is certain what the future will be like when humanity hits it.

Heshe seems a little suspicious, but I can't say he's wrong, given such little information. Some people say he's behind the open source software movement and other similar things. Decentralization, which I like. But expecting everyone to unite over something means trouble.

Our current social systems - theoretical and applied - have one fatal flaw: They expect everyone to follow an "all for one, one for all" philosophy, which is just nutty when you have a conflicted society like this. When everyone is expected to work for everyone else, that means they have to work for people they hate, and toward agendas they hate. Once again you're telling two enemies to work together, which is an offense against both sides. It doesn't work.

Evidently, our current future has a much smaller human population. There are several groups that want to kill masses of people, not to restore order but to make way for an even worse, more degenerate society. Plus they just like killing people. They seem to be getting their way in the near-future. Howard Storm talked to them in his account and they said they would be committing their massacre within 75 years (this was around 1985 when they said this)

Wow, I didn't know people thought He-she was behind open source... who says this? And, who do they think it is? It's definitely not Eric Raymond...

To doubt He-she, means that you'd have to bring into question Monroe's INSPEC (which is himself), as it was the INSPEC that located He-She (the most "advanced being on the planet"). I wish Monroe went into more detail.

What are your thoughts on open-source governance?

Yeah, no buildings in the future, and there are little people on it, but not for another 1000 years.

Great post, Zareste.

Do you think He-She was talking about a world government, or a global community? Are you saying we shouldn't take He-She's word for it? Is He-she suspect? Political philosophers have thought out perhaps nearly every system available (just Google the amount of theorised political concepts - there are just so many that have never been implemented), and it seems rather confusing as to what it could be.

Also, Robert Monroe saw the Earth in the year 3000 and there weren't any buildings - just nature, but it was that way on purpose. But, I'm more interested in knowing about everything the next two hundred years. Have you seen the world in 50 years time from now? What would the situation be with the world's oil supply? I think that if he-she is right, then a major change would happen in the next 50 years.

Does anyone else have anymore information?

Cheers.

Hi, not sure where to put this.

Has anyone astral travelled to the near-future and seen what political organisations run the world? In Robert Monroe's book, Ultimate Journey, he said he met a "he-she" that said:

He-She: "I can give you what you call a ROTE about that, about a plan that doesn't involve communism or socialism, capitalism or dictatorship."
Robert Monroe: "They say it can't be done."
"That is what makes it worth the effort. It needs a unified worldwide human endeavor. This will happen through recognized necessity, not through religions, race, or political beliefs, or force of arms."
"Necessity is severe stuff. The world would have to be in rough shape."
"That is the reason for waiting. The time will come."
"But worldwide, humans have never agreed on anything."
There was a sudden surge of energy, similar to what I had felt previously. As it faded, I knew the ROTE was in place, ready to be unrolled when the time was right.

Has anyone seen what this is? What does it look like? How and when does this get implemented?

Cheers.