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Yes, you are correct, I struggle to stay in the rtz for more than a minute or so. RB managed to scare me off filling my sub-brow centre directly as I am prone to psychically related mental health problems and I havent really been able to consiously split my awareness three ways to draw energy up through the centres to my sub-brow to any great effect. The couple of times it happened were just automatic, I wasnt trying to do anything but fill my sub-navel. I should probably put more effort into it.

I suppose you could be right, like I'm just naturally building up energy until I intuatively know that I have enough to project. I then manage to get out but for no length of time because I just barely have enough energy to get out.

As a one off test I'll send a stupid amount of energy straight to my sub-brow storage centre before I go to bed and then attempt an obe in the night. I'll see if it makes any difference.

Hi Blis: Yes Bruce recommends allowing the sub-brow to fill through trickle up accumulation... that is the best policy since you say you are susceptible to mental health issues (just as Bruce warns) if you fill do it top down. Keep us informed. S.

Yeah, I used to spend at least an hour a day raising energy. At first I was just sending it to the sub-navel storage centre like RB said but sometimes when raising large amounts of energy I would feel it start to travel upwards towards my heart space and then to the brow one. I found I can start it going to my sub-navel and then split my awareness to the sub-heart and it will travel through the first to the second. I havent spent much time sending energy to my sub-brow though so maybe that would help.

I dont do a lot of evergy raising these days but I do alot more chakra work, it seems more important to me.

Hi Blis: Since the brow storage is where the psychic energy needs to be (according to Bruce) and you seem to have stopped filling it... does there seem to be any problem remaining o.b.e. for any length of time??? because that is the issue... is psychic energy what is need to stay out... the other issue... I get the impression that the problem is really in  remaining in the rtz... rather than phasing through into the larger astral, focus 21 and above... S.

And I wholeheartedly disagree with that opinion.

Hi Xanth: Are you going to explain why... ?? It isn't enough just to disagree don't you think... don't you need to have a basis for the disagreement to be taken seriously??

S.

I reckon energy definately has something to do with it but it's not the whole picture(at least not in the Robert Bruce sense anyway). I've spent whole days energy raising to see if it made a difference and it didnt.

Hi blis: were you filling the storage areas?

S.

Credit where credit is due:

Hi All: I got the idea of 'Astral Mud' from Kepple... I assume that coining was original to him... it encompasses a great deal about the properties of the Astral world... the unique malleability that sector of the non-physical... the idea helped in processing much of Micheal Largo's – God's Lunatics...

Kepple's idea about 'noticing' was also unique... not in the concept because I ran across the principle with trainers at TMI but the unique thing about the idea is 'noticing' encapsulates a lot and I admit I did use it to good advantage... because it enhanced and made 'useful' the process... so take this as an admission that I took away substance of a sort from his work... but I find it better to stick to Monroe and Moen's basics...

S.

[Relaxation phase:]

11/19/2010 - Evening session:

Well, well, well... reached another level... it is now clear to me that I have reeched another plateau of inner awakening... it just takes patience, persistence and faith in the process... the reality of what we do is that it doesn't come generally in great revelatory explosions of phenomena... the diligent work is simply rewarded with slow changes that add up to small breakthroughs...


Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

Very powerful gradual shift to f10

Silly Little Finger exercise:
Perceiver/Interpreter:
Imagination exercise 2

Now I am certain that I am not losing consciousness I am shutting down the physical senses but the inner me is still responding to the exercise.... 

joob d

Aware of the hemi-sync signal kicking in... didn't even think of my mantra... 'Now I am out of body'... I was in a state of heightened awareness. Then the steady ringing or humming of the non-physical engine began to kick in... now the energy cones...



[highlight]Note: turn this picture in your mind ninety degrees and visualize it between my ears... and that's what the energy cones look like or feel like... [/highlight]

...pulled and pushed and revved up... I almost got 'wahunka' between the ears... but I didn't attempt to enhance the state... in the past that only turns things off... now I just let things happen... there is a slight fear of loss of control... but I realize the goal is 'abandon'...

I am confident that going forward I am about to breakout consistently into the non-physical... the fundamental body shifted... the rtz-double attempted to separate... the heart chakra really wants to get going... very happy with my progress... almost there...   

S.

Hi All: Robert Bruce suggest the sustaining o.b.e.'s is a matter of building psychic energy... that is why he emphazises energy work... but also to keep the o.b.e.'s short to get used to the state... just a thought.

S.

Excerpted from Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce....
Sub-navel
Position: Midway between bellybutton and pubic line, two inches inside average body
Function: Raw physical vitality energy storage
Sub-heart
Position: Center of chest, at base of sternum, two inches inside average body
Function: Raw emotional energy storage
Sub-brow
Position: Between eye-socket ridges in center of brow, just inside skull
Function: Raw mental and psychic energy storage

Br











S.

Thats what its like for me.

I've stopped trying all the time. I pretty much only make an attempt now if I get a feeling that I should. I somehow just know when I'll be successfull. Progress is still frustratingly slow and the frequency hasnt really gone up but my success rate must be up to like eighty percent.

Hi All: Robert Bruce suggest the sustaining o.b.e.'s is a matter of building psychic energy... that is why he emphazises energy work... but also to keep the o.b.e.'s short to get used to the state... just a thought.

S.

lol.  nice.

i have this theory that monroe created TMI and the "focus levels" so that when he died he would have an endless supply of energy to feed off of in the astral realities that he created.  like a psychic vampire.  lol.

I kind of thought that was tongue in cheek but one never knows glad you clarified it...

but in all seriousness, i always like monroe and i speak highly of him and the way he made AP more accessible to laypersons (non-occultists and non shamans/witches).  though i do think it's odd that he never really put much practical information in his books, but chose instead to sell his "secrets" for a couple grand a pop in the form of week long workshops.  but alas, that seems to be the way many spiritual teachers head one way or another (spiritual meaning self discovery).

I take it you never attended a seminar. In the seminar setting they talk about the problems Monroe had in the beginning... accosting the local postman and sundry people strangers (deliverymen etc) to get them to climb in a chek unit to test them and build a data base... remember he always was an educational research operation... not a religion or even pretending to be a religion or something other than a non-profit research institute... so the seminar system was a natural... the institute was even pickets by a local Baptist church at one time...

and frank helped me as well, even though he was long gone by the time i joined the pulse.

however.  both of these people have gained something like guru status around here, edging very closely around cult status.  it's like people pick one of these teachers and abandon all other possibility and I feel that this choice is potentially detrimental to one's practice.  but hey, it is what it is and in the mean time i can have a bit of fun with it.

That can't be helped PR... a leader gets bigger than life even the bogus ones as you well know...

and seraphis, i wouldn't say that i'm necessarily cynical.  more like abrasive with a purpose.  (that purpose being to play devil's advocate as frequently as possible.  i actually don't express my actual beliefs and opinions all the time around here.  i do sometimes, but other times i just offer a different perspective that i'm aware of, even if i wholeheartedly agree with what someone else has said.  it's good to shake it up from time to time.)

That works for me.

S.

What do you mean by this? Is monroe and his products or programs a scam? because I have really been looking into them, and thinking about spending money and if that's what you are saying here than Id like to know...

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Hi angelic: I am a proud Monroe seminar advocate... PR is only going to be right 98 percent of the time... Monroe's work is one of the 2% that is legitimate..

S.

HAHAHA!!

I didn't know he took off with people's money!  That's sooooooo frickin awesome.  I guess he did learn a thing or two from Monroe.

Anyway,

You got this Slider.  Just keep at it.  Don't stick to rigidly to any particular technique or paradigm for AP, explore the options.  And you're welcome for this and any future help.

Hi PR: Statistcally you are going to be right about fraud and abuse 98 percent of the time... it is the 2 percent of the time that you need to cultivate an unerring antennae... S.

HAHAHA!!

I didn't know he took off with people's money!  That's sooooooo frickin awesome.  I guess he did learn a thing or two from Monroe.

Anyway,

You got this Slider.  Just keep at it.  Don't stick to rigidly to any particular technique or paradigm for AP, explore the options.  And you're welcome for this and any future help.

Hi PR: Your cynicism is vindicated again... but, I must say you are wrong about Monroe... he was the 'rare'deal... so is Moen... but, have it your way I tip my hat to you were right in Kepple's case... very sad for us all who were taken in,

S.

I used to think he was dead, now I don't.  He probably doesn't want to show his face because he owes people quite a bit of money.  The masses started to turn on him, I'm sure his ego could not handle it. MY opinion.

holy cow that came out of the blue... where did you get that notion... did he try to raise money for his foundation and abscond??? Lets have some information beside potential character assassination.

S.

At the time both Frank Kepple and Fred corresponded, so yes, it was taken from articles here at the AP.  However, the specific article at TMI was written by Fred, and one of the things added to it was by Frank Di Marco (De Marco, Di Marco, I don't remember).

I guess the timing wasn't right... when did Kepple really make substantial progress so that a summit would have been productive... Joe McMonagle and Monroe were in direct contact and they seem from what McMonagle says to only engage in friendly knockdown dragout fights over theory if not process... so summits are not necessarily a good thing... after all what can you actually say... 

S.

Hi All: Somethingelse about Kepple that I got the impression of... he never went to TMI??! He seems not to have any interest in meeting Monroe and he could have... he never attempted to meet Moen... he could have... all quite odd.

S.

Hi, Seraphis1!
Was you seeing the crystal or just sensing it? If you saw, what colors could you observe? How was the texture like, could you see clear details?

Hi Pauli: I'm seeing it and sensing it seemed solid... the color was the russet hue as we know it I have been there in the physical many times and hugged it of course... smoothe and cold texture... standing on the concrete platform was an interesting wrinkle... it was all quite real. The problem was it was not what I expect from the literature... nothing that is happening fits with the literature...

S.

Nobody knows.
Let's just be happy that he has left such a legacy here on the Astral Pulse that we can, at the very least, follow in his footsteps to verify these accounts for ourselves.

~Ryan

Hi All: I second that sentiment. Too bad we don't have any french posters someone who could check local records for Frank Kepple or even English posters who might be able to look records up... I am sure there must be a paper trail. Since Frank was only posting and had no organization, it may all be quite straight forward.

S.

11/17/2010 - Afternoon session:

Haven't posted since the 12th because I can't really explain what is happening... but, this session saw if not a clear o.b.e. certainly a grudging one...

Now I am out-of-body

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Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

I now have the diaphragmatic breath sequence under better control... it seems the diaphragm which is a muscle is doing what a muscle that is exercised does... it changes shape and developes... I didn't expect that development but there it is and I am getting to f10 nicely and smoothly 

Silly Little Finger exercise:

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction... 

Perceiver/Interpreter:

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction... 

Imagination exercise 2

I get into the exercise but loose consciousness of it. I think what is happening is that I am clicking out the sense system that hears and computes the disk instruction... 

joob d

Now, I am fully into the mantra...

Now I am out-of-body

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Then, I am o.b.e. of a sort... slightly out of body... through out the exercise I am aware of  the fundamental energy body just very busy shifting around... the heart chakra sputters now and then... the I realize I need to get away from my body... I then call for ... TMI - crystal now!! I am there... on the concrete platform... aware of the lawn the tree line ahead and right... the fence with the red barn by the lake in the distance... but, I am confused... I feel my body with pressure in the brow point... am I obe?? Or mind split... the only other thing might be I am denser than I should be... because I realize I am hugging the crystal... and it is quite solid and I am not sliding through it...

Then, I wonder what I should do and remember not to stay out to long in the early attempts... so I return to c1.

S.

Hi All: I found the Astral Island site... that is a very advanced notion... has anyone found the Island?

S.

11/13/2010

Hi Bets: Did you try to make contact with me Sat, 10am pst:

While in session a female head popped into my view frame top right hand corner... it was a bluish gray form.. I ask it was Betson. It said 'yes' but I don't necessarily know that for sure..

The head favored Christine O'Donnell



But with curly brunette hair (I assumed it was brunette tho the whole image was bluish gray.


S.

EDIT:  I fixed it for you.  You forgot the closing /    ~ Xanth

Tx xanthe

11/13/2010

Hi Bets: Did you try to make contact with me Sat, 10am pst:

While in session a female head popped into my view frame top right hand corner... it was a bluish gray form.. I ask it was Betson. It said 'yes' but I don't necessarily know that for sure..

The head favored Christine O'Donnell

[img] http://www.cbsnews.com/i/tim//2010/09/09/christine2_370x278_370x278.jpg [img]

But with curly brunette hair (I assumed it was brunette tho the whole image was bluish gray.


S.

Pr it didn't work.
S.

11/13/2010

Hi Bets: Did you try to make contact with me Sat, 10am pst:

While in session a female head popped into my view frame top right hand corner... it was a bluish gray form.. I ask it was Betson. It said 'yes' but I don't necessarily know that for sure..

The head favored Christine O'Donnell



But with curly brunette hair (I assumed it was brunette tho the whole image was bluish gray.


S.

EDIT:  I fixed it for you.  You forgot the closing /    ~ Xanth

[Dream:]

11/14/2010

Dream:

I am looking down a long corridor... I see a tall man dressed like an Anglican priest wearing a maroon pull over vest with a white cross on it... he seemed ominous and strode toward me... I ducked into a side door he came in after me... I shouted at him... then as I was awakening I realized I was momentarily obe...

Interpretation:

Clearly and obe dream... but, is my belief system issue with obe connected with the christian religion? Since I was raised in the Catholic tradition but only loosely... nothing obsessive and it was easy to drop it... but this fellow was Anglican...

There is some barrier to exiting that I am experiencing at the moment... I have spontaneously exited out of a tube on the left side of my skull... left lobe... and I am right there in my last few sessions but a balking takes place on the exit is just stymied... the last time I exited from that location I seem to remember getting permission from some source... it all happened very quickly...

S.

11/12/2010 - Afternoon session:

Very smooth session

Now I am out-of-body

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Potpourri session: AKG disc 1: cut 1-relaxation exercise; cut 5-Silly Little Finger Exercise; cut 6 - Perceiver/Intercepter exercise: disk 4: Imagination exercise 1; joob condition d

Relaxation phase:

The breathing sequence is very different I think the diaphragm maybe strengthening I think it needs to get more supple tho... didn't get into f10 in the relaxation phase.. 

Silly Little Finger exercise:

For the first time in a long time I was aware of the exercise... got into f10 during this exercise... but, still have not become aware of the point of 'intention' engaging...

Perceiver/Interpreter:

Still not getting the letter of the exercise... no coordination between the perceiver and the Interreter... it is either one or the other... nice visuals tho... very aware of the energy flowing from below thru my system... I like that...

Imagination exercise 2

Good visuals... but no phasing shift... 

joob d

Saw a guide?? Talked to him... ask for help exiting... the guide?? Said 'sure' but I didn't exit... like I was getting no help... but I don't think it was my imagination because it was too spontaneous... but I don't think it was my regular guide... there was something very different about him

S.

what Robert Bruce calls "secondary chakras" aren't really chakras, so no, you don't have other chakras.  the ones at joints and what not are nadis, like chi pathway intersections.  there are other chakras besides the main seven though, but i don't know if those are traditional or if they are a more modern development.  it should be noted that different cultures see these energy center differently. 

for example, kabbalah aligns with the tree of life, like this



and here's all those little nadis

hey pr: how do you post the pictures do you have your own website? S.