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Sure its a post that was made by gnomad and it takes you to his site. Download the file called, "boxed nirvana"
hope it works for you

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_energy_body_and_the_chakras/download_a_free_chakra_stimulation_amp_obe_mp3_file-t14409.0.html

-Firmitas

thanks I'll give it a try.

No idea on the voices though, sorry.

Luke~

I put Xanth's on my iphone and it kept bugging up o-o... Almost like it was freezing. No idea why.

What I need... is like.. a 6 hour first timer, so that after the 6 hours it will then start. I actually did wake up a couple hours earlier than I normally do - but I still woke up naturally.. rather than being interrupted. I so want to see some light in this whole astral projection business =[...

I'll try again with PR's tomorrow morning.

Luke~

Well.. that's the blunt way to put it, yes lmao.

It hasn't worked for me yet (without being absolutley shattered), to be honest. I can lay there for ages and I still feel like I'm not 'paralyzed'. It definitely relaxes me and I do definitely understand what he means by the 'resist the urge'. when you're REALLY tired, you really will get an MASSIVE urge to roll over. Just this morning I had a 2 hour cardio session - came home absolutley nackered. By mid day I was feeling 'meh'. Layed down and within about 5 minutes I rolled over without even thinking about it. I then went back to being on my back and the urge came back, 100x intensity. I ignored it and within about a minute my body felt completely different. Not 'paralyzed' but definitely asleep

Luke~

edit:

basically, the whole principal (I believe) is that to QUICKEN the process of entering a MABA state, you need to listen to your body and react accordingly. If you DO roll over, your body knows your mind isn't asleep and it wont go to sleep itself. If you DONT roll over and ignore the signal, you might be able to trick your body into thinking you are asleep and it will go to sleep itself. MABA. Or so its written.

basically.. staying still XD but I need to move about alot to actually sleep.. so I understand where he's coming from.

my problem with phasing is i get saliva buildup in my mouth to the point where i might start choking on it and i have to swallow it periodically.... sounds silly but i cant really phase with this happening.

Same as me

Luke~

The roll over signal is the language of our body. I believe each of us may have our own signal but in most cases, it's to roll over. What this means is when you're trying to sleep normally - you don't just lay there like a log do you? Often you will 'toss and turn' also known as 'roll over'. If you analyse what happens, you'll notice 'you' dont think about rolling over. You get an URGE to roll over, in which you then go with and think "Ye, I think I should roll over and get into a more comfortable position". Once you roll over, your body knows your not asleep and waits to try again.

So resist this 'urge'. However, you may get this urge in many other forms such as shifting your legs etc.

Luke~

Well my first attempt was slightly........... unreliable... since I already had a mild hallucinagen - Took about a minute to really start painting images on that blank canvas

Second successful attempt took me about 15 minutes for it to start to kind of work. Then I kind of forgot about time and just listened to the static. I had it on oscillation. Was sitting there for about 30 minutes before I took them off. Vision was blurry and wanted to squint my eyes a lot.

I'd say 20 minutes. It will obviously be much different and probably easier for those of you who are efficient at calming the mind and relaxing the body though - I'm sure.
Also, it's nothing like the visuals you may get on shrooms/lsd or anything. You just start to make lines/objects/patterns from the boredom of not being able to see anything. Eventually the static will play a part in the images and make it more vivid.

Luke~

Interesting. My sister used to tease me about me being colour blind all the time. I can see where the psychological aspect comes in to some cases.

Luke~

Hmm... Well... When I did this, I wasn't really calm.. or in any state to be honest. It's just visual sensory deprivation.
I didn't feel calm or sleepy - I was just seeing things.

I think it might be possible though... If you could get a laptop by the side of your bed possibly.. get comfortable and meditate as usual - It may be a success.
It might even enhance it, since one of your senses are already deprived and ready to refocus onto something else.

Best way to find out? try it
I'll try it tomorrow at some point with muh spoon eyes XD

Luke~

Very insightful Thank you, I understand.

Luke~

oooooh.. aha.. ok

I'll be using it tonight then (for the morning XD)

Luke~

Then you'll need to adjust your program to start off AFTER 30 minutes.  

It takes me roughly 5 minutes to fall asleep.
You need to learn to relax your body and mind more to begin the sleep process.

omg you can fall asleep in 5 minutes!? Daaamn... I feel like I've been deprived of sleep all of a sudden D: !
I have to say though, after taking up 'Astrality' I have noticed I've been getting to sleep at decent times (mainly because I practice at like 8pm and end up falling asleep at 9/10pm after giving up )
Compared to what it used to be... 4am.. 6am? XD It's getting better !

My goal is to fall asleep in 5 minutes ;p


also, PR, thanks for those - I'll try them both

[0min]

0min: go to sleep
5min: alarm goes off / you gain lucidity / enjoy lucidity or SL until you fall asleep again
10min: alarm goes off / you gain lucidity / enjoy lucidity or SL until you fall asleep again
15min: alarm goes off / you gain lucidity / enjoy lucidity or SL until you fall asleep again
20min: alarm goes off / you gain lucidity / enjoy lucidity or SL until you fall asleep again

Hmm... I don't understand lol... 0min = sleep ?

Dunno abotu you but I sure as hell can't go to sleep in 0 minutes O_O!!! It takes me atleast 30 minutes of complete relaxation for me to fall asleep.
am I missing something D: ?

are you meant to turn this program on when you start to doze off? so hopefully you fall asleep within those 5 minutes? I DEFINITELY can't fall asleep in 5 minutes lol..

Luke~


p.s

where can I find this timer?

Ye... look like balloons to me.. Their movements don't seem all that weird to me.

However, there DEFINITELY is life out there. Planets like earth are apparently rather common in the entire scope of the universe.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070424_hab_exoplanet.html

Luke~

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Hmm.. I've tried the Ganzfeld effect before. I could see how it works. It really does start to trip you out via sensory deprivation.

You'll need a ping pong ball or something of the same density and material. I tried using a plastic spoon, it worked rather well! although I did look like a complete tool .. as far as wearing objects over your eyes goes!
You'll also need some tape that wont rip your eye brows/skin off when you try and remove the material from your eyes. Don't make the mistake I did. I didn't plan on going for the shaven eye brow look


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1. Cut the ping pong ball in half. Near enough in equal size. (If you are using another object, just make sure it will fit over your eyes nicely)

2. Test the object of your eyes and ensure there are not gaps that you can see through. What is the point in these experiment if you can still see? The point is to deprive your eyes of all sensory input.

3. Attach the adhesive of choice (normally tape) to your chosen objects and make sure the objects fit nice and snug. Or.. as comfortable as wearing ping pong balls on your face goes... hmm lol. (Don't actually stick them on yet, you still need to prepare)

4. If possible, buy a nice red filter for your lamp/light. Not entirely necessary. (just go to youtube and type in 'Red screen')
Normal Red Light (This one is a little too bright.. I tried it and it didn't work as good for me(If you use this, make sure you pause the video))
Flashing Red Light (This one DID work for me and almost put me in a trance! .. really trippy)

5. Put on your favourite static noise.... white, brown and even pink for you adventerous guys out there ;P!
Static Noise

6. Turn off your light/apply the red filter and make sure your room is dark apart from the red light source. (alternatively, if you are using youtube, make sure the video is on full screen.. I made the mistake of this and had already stuck the spoons on my face.. I wasn't pleased)

7. Put your headphones in with the Static playing at a decent volume.

8. Stick on your awesome pingpongface/spooneyes!

9. Relax - allow it to happen.

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You will start to feel slightly agitated by the fact that you cannot see any sort of fluctuating sensory input. After awhile you really will start to visualize random things.
You don't HAVE to use a red light source, it can be done in pitch black - apparently.  
Make sure you tell us how it went

Luke~

Another load of dreams last night  . I couldn't even remember them all by the time I wrote them down, or even when I awoke. I did manage to write down 4 as far as I could remember. I couldn't remember much - only the essence of the dreams. I'm serious annoyed that I'm not RCing!


I was in my room, there was an alligator right by my door. (It was small in my dream, but somehow it was massive) I remember it grabbed something and ran under my bed. I may have startled it. I also remember a VERY strange moment. A voice told me that the 'spider'(!?) was trying to trick me and that it was actualy not under my bed now, it had
done a ninja on me and gone behind, around and was now on my arm. At this point I turned my arm over. First thing I noticed was that I was in my dobok (Martial arts uniform - black) I remember the sensation of something heavy on my arm as I turned it over. I then saw the spiders legs, then body. I was trying to pull it off my arm, and I could feel each of its legs grasp onto my arm. I then remember it biting me. (I don't remember much after that I wasn't in THAT much pain - more discomfort) (What's also important to note was in some section of my dream, I remember THINKING and remembering what it was like to be biten by a spider. When I say spider, I mean a massive tarantula. I remember, remembering a video of a tarantula biting and injecting a mouse)


how the heck did I not RC when that croc turned into a MASSIVE spider!?
Two strange things happened in this dream though.. one.. the voice? I've never had a voice in my mind telling me anything! I've had SPEECH in my dreams from other people or me talking to someone (not often) but I've never had a voice in the back of my mind give me advice lol! strange feeling. The second thing that isn't as significant is when I remembered the video of the tarantula killing a mouse, during my dream. That to me, seems like a logical thought. I wouldn't expect to do that in a dream - I wouldn't normally need to. In waking life I might look at something, and then remember something to try and get a better understanding of it. That's what it felt like lol.

Luke~

p.s

I have started documenting all my dreams now... hopefully this will help increase the consistency of the dreams and eventually allow me to become lucid.

Semi successful attempt just now.. I felt some weird... minute vibrations around my upper body. Entirely different from the shudder like sensation before. This was more of a buzzing/bubbling/warm sensation.
Anyway.. I almost gave up, and before I knew it I was daydreaming and awoke myself by attempting to jump. In my bed. With nothing but my feet............. lol! my ankles hurt now.. n.n I must have been trying to jump over a bloody building or something the amount of force I put into that LOL.

Sadly I completely forgot what I was daydreaming about. I wasn't asleep, I was still aware. It wasn't anything astral like. Just a daydream that I'd slipped into.
I keep getting stuck at the daydreaming spot. I end up lying down for literally an hour before I start to get any sensations at all. Then I just seem to slip into a daydream which leads into sleep if I dont awake by a twitch.

ugh -.- I try and not think, and let it just happen, but it gets me nowhere, just blackness. Laying down with blackness infront of me for an hour. Or until I start to slip into a daydream..

Luke~

Thanks for the links Xanth and PR, I've read through Tom's post and it is full of solid information. I think I know what I'm doing wrong. I just need to put it in practice

Luke~

Xanth, is SP literally PARALYSIS? as in you physically wont be able to move?

I've layed down for 30 minutes+ never once thinking about my body - and I definitely do forget about it and start concentrating on random images/daydreams. That's as far as it goes. I could move if I needed to though. I just dont think about it. What do you do from here?

Is this where you can get to Jeff, where you forget about your body, but are probably not actually in SP?

Luke~

Thinking about it now, it makes perfect sense that it could be the workouts.

I tried multiple times yesterday and I got nowhere. Definitely hit a wall. I don't really know what I'm doing wrong. I just lay down and close my eyes and focus on allowing my body to relax and my breathing to become minimal. By this point I can hear nothing around me apart from a slight ringing in my ear from the fact there is nothing else to hear. I don't really know what to do at this point..... I have read most of Franks page and it was a great help understanding the different foci. I will sometimes just be laying down for 30 minutes with no real progress. What am I meant to do? I tried imagining climbing a rope/ladder but that didn't help me lose awareness of my physical. The only thing I notice is that the blackness I get when I close my eyes now, is fairly full of static. Where as the blackness after awhile of just breathing slowly, is much smoother and my eyes are much calmer. I dont progres further than this though.

I dreamt multiple times last night though.. These few days of MA has really caught up on me and my body is completely aching now lol! Some VERY strange and random dreams last night... I've never woken up and remembered having multiple dreams. What's annoying is that I've CONSTANTLY been telling myself 'am I dreaming? - no I'm not' in the hope that I will RC in my dream... doesn't happen... I wake up content with my dream and progressively realise how vivid the dream was and that I should have tried to become aware. >.<

I've got a book called Synchro Destiny by Deepak Chopra that my mum said I should read sometime. I guess I'll read it now!

Thanks for the help btw
Luke~

Well I just tried again then, but I had no intent to AP - I've put that on the back burner for now. I jumped in a bit too quick. So my goal was to get to that 'nod-off' point where my mind started to wander, so I could try and train myself to stay focused. Well.. I didn't really get near that stage this time. I managed to relax my body and my breathing was at minimal. I kept trying to think of an image and allow my mind to wander off, but it just wouldn't wander.. everytime I thought of an image, I'd eventually get bored of trying to wander with that image and be at square 1 again.

The only thing I noticed was (and this could possibly be because I was cold.. I didn't feel cold, but I checked my hands after I had stop tying and they were quite cold) I got a couple of weird sensations go through my entire body (most upper body). Kinda like a shudder from when you are cold, which made me think that. I didn't feel cold though, I felt warm .. but my hands were actually cold when I checked.
What was that? was it just the simple cold shudder? It felt good though, not like when you get the cold shiver. Here I am trying to explain the feeling again lol!

But ye, no real success I guess.. I eventually got tired of losing concentration and going back to square 1 again.

Luke~

I completely forgot to explain haha.. my bad..

My mind was exhausted because I had been training for about 6 hours straight that day - extreme cardio, horse stance for long periods of time, traveling to different Dojos, remembering and practicing techniques, forms whilst physically worn out, etc. Maybe I wasn't mentally exhausted.. but I just couldn't get far - I couldn't relax or concentrate properly - until I pulled the duvet over and went to sleep in about .5 seconds lol.

For example, just now I decided I'd try meditate a little to clear my mind and try relax my muscles abit before my my session. As soon as I layed down, it felt right. Although it didn't go very well. I started off with nothing my my mind but the thought of slowing down my breathing and relaxing. I then started to forget about that and I eventually started to slip into a daydream/dozing off state. I'd be aware of what I was imaging in my head, and then I'd also be aware that I was slipping into sleep, and then whilst watching the daydream I'd suddenly snap out of it. I had multiple twitches. One of the 'twitches' was pretty damn funny.. I don't remember what I even daydreamed about now, but I was disturbed with my arms and legs twitching and also a 'gasp'. First time I've ever made a noise whilst twitching or anything. I wasn't frightened or anything, it was more of a 'holy excrement I'm falling asleep' rofl.. It may sound common to some people, but I don't sleep easy. If I'm not completely exhausted, it takes me hours of laying in bed to finally fall asleep. I never really 'nod-off'

Anyway.. off to MA now, I'll try again when I Get back.

Hmm.. just had a bath then and whilst relaxing, I remembered a dream I had last night. Never remembered a dream this many hours on from sleeping. Stange feeling.. As soon as I remembered part of it I tried to remember the rest but hardly could - only a few segments. I woke up this morning pretty ticked off and confident that I didn't have a vivid dream.

As in, mentally exhausted - not split in pieces shattered xD.

I don't know.. I think it was lol. I couldn't concentrate enough like in my first attempt. On my first attempt I atleast felt like I was going somewhere - I could feel the progressively overwhelming sense of not concentrating on my body, surroundings anything in the physical world.
Hmm.. I seem to have described concentrating and not concentrating haha... What I mean is, I could concentrate on not concentrating... rofl.. Anyways, I just couldn't get anywhere. I managed to slow my breathing to almost nothing, but I couldn't let the awareness of my body go.

Basically - I ended up just desperately wanting to rest my muscles

I'm feeling good today and only have a short session of training today so I should be good to go. I've been reading up a lot on how to actually wake up in my dreams. I thought I was already lucid dreaming, since it seemed basically real at the time and rather than waking up trying to remember, I woke up knowing what had just happened 2 seconds ago vividly. So ye.. I just need to learn how to become aware see where that leads.

Luke~

Well I'm not exactly emotional per se - rather, I get into a few heavy arguments here and there in situations I shouldn't be putting myself in lol XD I'm a pretty chill guy and don't get worked up over much if it's just an any day problem. Now my sister... I could say she was definitely an emotional person. Screaming over simple questions etc etc.

My dreams aren't insane O_o? Well.. maybe the word I'm looking for is intense
Ye... I do find myself after lying there for a bit, actually questioning if I'm even getting anywhere lol..

I tried again last night - but this is after about 6 hours of training so it was bound to fail ._. I read Xanth's article ( I think it was Xanth) about SP and tried that. Not only was my physical body well and truly exhausted from the day, unfortunately, my mind was pretty shattered too. I kept trying to keep my eyes/body still and couldn't really do it for long. Eventually I just kind of drifted into a relaxed state and found myself hardly breathing. My right leg twitched a few times invoulentarily. The same for my right arm. No idea why my left side was left out. Nothing really followed on from that, I just had less awareness of my body - but not to a great degree.

Does anyone have any methods they use after they've got relaxed enough that they are hardly breathing and their eyes are calm. How do you lose awareness of your hands and feet etc? I can only seem to lose partial awareness - to the point where I don't feel every contact my body has with the duvet. I still know they're there and awake though.
I get kind of lost when I've relaxed, I'm not really sure what to do to progress. I normally end up just exploring the blackness and trying to picture things. Then I Try and jump into those images... which doesn't work lol -.-



This is for any posters that do hallucinogens: I've seen a few people saying that people may try and use hallucinogens to AP. How in the heck is that even possible lmao.. when I'm tripping.. Well.. I'm exactly that. How would you harness it? I know serious stuff would happen if I could. AP'ing sounds like it would be a pretty complex task whilst high.

This is probably why I have the feeling that I've done it before then but not remember doing it myself. I get to a point when I'm meditating (so to speak.. just trying to concentrate on nothingness) where I feel myself slipping - I feel the darkness(as in when I close my eyes) become more solid and.. workable. I think if I can just hold that state for awhile, I might be able to image things.

I also forgot to mention... during the state where I felt I was calm and concentrating on nothingness - I could picture in the bottom of my black canvas (I don't even know what to call it lol... I mean when my eyes are closed basically) a small image. I don't even know how I forgot this! The image wasn't big, and it was in the center (almost crosseyed position). I couldn't get that image to move anywhere else. Anyway.. it was really small.. I really had to concentrate on it to pick out any details (at this point I my eyes would have probably been completely crossed.. it just seems to help get deeper into whatever I am trying to see). It was a normal house (I say house, but I couldn't see anything but what was directly in front of me) so I am really pushing myself to continue with this image and not just forget it.. because at that moment it was just a day dream - an image in my head. I wasn't 'immersed' in it. Anyway.. I went up the steps and that was it.. I then changed onto something else by accident.. Oh yes.. I tried to look at my feet, to make it more 'immersed' as if I was actually that person walking up to the door - rather than just a day dream type image. When I tried to look at my feet, I just imagined a pair of feet haha... So rather than looking down at staying in that scenario, the image changed to static feet. Then I tried to picturing my legs.. but they weren't mine.. just some random legs. Then I tried to imagine my face .. and it wasn't even a human face, just a 2d non realistic looking face - nothing like me.

This is what really annoyed me... Why can't I imagine what I want? why, when I want to imagine MY face do I picture something that ISN'T mine? and why when I try to look down at my feet, or look at my hands.. it would just change to an image of a pair of random feet or hands? So frustrating.. and confusing!

My replies are probably rather difficult to decipher.. Mainly because I'm not even sure how to describe and explain something that I myself do not even understand.

Luke~

p.s
I'm going to try again in a bit. I know you said it isn't a good time to do it, and on top of that I've been doing martial arts all day... hmm... not really helping myself here! I'll just practice the breathing exercises - maybe practice 'forgetting' about my hands again. (Another question: Is that what you do? do you try and forget about you body? remove the feeling and sensation from it? I get the feeling that as soon as I can fully let go of the feeling, I can start to use my mind a bit more.)


long post sorry