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Would anyone know the symbol/s for astral projection, maybe from the tree of life, qabalah. I looking for one, to put on a chart, to meditate on. Or if not thee symbol, a good symbol to make A.P. or the astral world, closer/more easy to enter.
I was thinking of using the Moon card, from the rider/waite deck,
any comments?

I have a question for more experienced people than I am, but I would like to know how looking affects the inner planes?.
For instance if a person were to look at, say, a picture of a car, every day for a month, is the car created on the inner planes?.
The Picture is a symbol, which they say, symbols are directly connected to the things they represent, so in time, the car would be brought into physical reality?

Hi, my name is Marten, I've had a long fasination for the Astral, and have had alot of experiences, and OBE's. I'm just starting again, (Autum always does this to me . So I am practicing relaxing, as per R.B.'s book, and after three nights, I decided to go again the next morning.
I went into a very heavy relaxed feeling, half asleep, some slight dreaming (unconsious)and, then I would wake up, and continue but didn't obe.
After that and for a few hours, when I got up, I felt this wierd feeling going up my back, and shoulders. Like I hadn't fully shaken off the relaxation, it was sort of like a funny feeling, in my spine, almost like I hadn't fully woken up, like part of me was still deeply tranced. It eventually went as the day went on. Anyone got any ideas ?

Thanks for the e-mails, I'll post it here on the forum.
Ihavn't got time right now sorry... I'l put it up tomorrow, ok?


Murt

Don't Agree? ok..
Thats just what Isreal Regardie secretary to Crowley said, I think he meant a soul... Quote 'it is not really an Astral body, in the sence of a vital model, giving life to the physical, but it is a mental, or thought body, the direct vehicle of the ideal, and Spiritual faculties, whose substance is that of the higher, or divine astral.'

Who cares.
I have better instructions, to bring this body to life, if anyone wants them, please let me know.

Murt.

Hey Ramiel, I think your really close. try to get these pins and needles, all over your body, and then Relaaaaxxxx, don't think of anything, just say yeah, whatever, ok, got it, to any thought that comes along.

Alot of people are raising their energy, using many different ways, which is very good. Like KI, or yoga, or meditation tapes, Bwgen ect.
I think they all have one similar goal, increase your vibratory rate. Making yourself relax, is living in the present, which basically increases your vibratory rate, lowering negativity in the process.
All these techniques, are excelent, but for those who are a bit more adventurous, the LBRP is a shortcut, to raising the rate your matter vibrates at.

These are the same instructions as you posted ealier Veliki, except a little different, from Regardie.
I have some instructions, that are more detailed than the ones below, I'll post them, when i get a chance....

Seating himself comfortably in a chair—or if he be trained in the assumption of a Yoga posture and is easy therein, so much the better—and tranquillizing his mind and emotions as far as may be possible, the Magician should try to imagine standing before him an exact
duplicate of his own body.

Should the Magician have engaged in much practice of the tattva symbols or the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius and those described in a former section of this study, no great difficulty will be encountered in formulating this image.

The Theurgist should conceive vividly that a simulacrum of his own
body stands before him in the mind ; and that it is clothed as the
Magician is clothed, in magical robe with wand or sword, as the
case may be, and that it stands upright, or seated on a chair, or
curled in an easy and comfortable Asana. Should the Magician be
seated, the image likewise should be seen to be seated.

By a supreme effort of will that image should be made to move in the
mind and, observed very closely all the time, to rise standing
upright on its feet. The most difficult part of the Magician's task
now approaches. To the Body of Light he must transfer his own
consciousness, and it is this transfer which may prove a little
difficult, for sometimes it simply will not go.

In this case, exerting every ounce of his Will and putting forth
all the power of his Imagination as far as possible so that he imagines and wills himself to be in the thought-body, the Theurgist should cause it 10 perform various actions. The performance of some
such ritual as the Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram is a splendid
exercise, since by its means the Body of Light is made to move, to
turn on its own axis, and to utter words.

Persisted in, the Magician may find after several attempts that instead of this Body of Light performing the Ritual like an automaton while he observes, he himself will be performing it within the thought-body itself.

These methods loosen the girders of the soul, and open the fast-locked
gates of the mind.

I don't think it really matters, Ve Gevurah, and ATOR have worked for me, and I have two books that say the words are right !
It will work, anyway.

The Body of light is not an Astral body, which gives life to the physical, is a thought or mental or dream body, made up of the material of the planes.
If the body is made up of the same 'stuff' as the planes, it follows it is an easy way to project, once it is formed.
Many sucessful projectors, use a body of light, and do not realize.
instead of your awareness travelling around, on it's own, it now has a body, which is more stable.

I'm open to correction, but isn't Air represeted , by Vayu, in the tattwa, so this corresponds to the intellect.
Therefore, imagine air in water, it is not too stable, and very flighty. But imagine travelling around in a bubble of water, in the ocean so to speak, much more stable, and kindred.

Aparently it is as easy to project, as walking around in your physical body. Quote- Regardie 'Sucess once reached, the transfer should be practiced again, and again, until eventually, the Magician can slip in and out of his physical frame, as an ordinary Man slips out of his Winter coat.'
You just transfer consiouness to the body.

It can also move at the speed of thought.

Murt.

I very proud to be a guy, and a Man/Male. I find
Alot of females try to make you feel ashamed to be a Man.
But without the male agressive nature, we would still be living in caves. Nearly everything you see is invented by males, using their strong headed male agression, and more logical mind.

Veliki,
Lesser Banishing ritual of the Pentagram,
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7992

It's not so little, considering it's power, it like a detergent, gentle, but tough on stains!
There is a greater BRP, but it's not nessesary.

I said a some people are thick, negatve energy, lowers the frequency at which matter vibrates, making it more solid, or heavy, or dense/thick. Hence some people are thick, i.o.w. their matter is heavy. qualities like inspiration, creativity, intuition ect. are blocked, making them appear 'thick'.
Some people have negativity thrust upon them, but it is THEY, and no-one else who chooses to keep it, so, thick they remain.

The LBRP, gently expels negative energy, and gross matter, replacing it with finer more subtle 'matter'.
The planes are obviously on a higher frequency, so the higher your ferquency, the easier it is to enter those planes. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE.

People with alot of negativity will find it very difficult to A.P.,
or people who have become too set in their ways, stagnation, is a form of negativity.
The LBPR, will give Noticeable results, within two weeks.
Provided the person uses their imagination a.m.a.p.

I'll post more info later.

Cheers,
Murt.

Veliki, Ramiel,
Great to see this thread here.

As far as I am aware the chaldlaean Oracles say,... Stay not in the precipice, with the dross of Matter, for there is a place for thy Image in a realm ever splendid..
This is a reference to the higher, and lower Astral, and the fact that you can rise  'beyond the higher Astral, towards the formless divine fires of the Spiritual realms', using the Body of light.

Although creating the body of light takes time, apparently it is well worth it.. here are some advantages...

1. The body is created with your imagination. Your imagination moulds the 'matter' of the Astral plane into whatever shape you want, so if you create, a body of light, being made up of the 'material' of the astral plane,  can enter those planes, quite easily, and more freely.
Also alter your personal circumstances, including finantial, with MUCH more power.
2.You can use it as a watcher, by sending it to a place, where it will watch and record what is going on, and report the info. back
3. It can also be used to guard something.
4. it is possible to transfer, disease to the body, and then treat illness.
5. it is possible to rebuild in your imagination, your body of light as you were when you were younger. And by a system of transference,
change back your physical body, into the body of light. A sort of reverse process, but this takes a great deal of advance knowledge and training.
6.As all things have a counterpart, on the planes, you can go, in your body of light , to the counterparts, and merge with them, and then control them.
With again, alot more power, for instance, merge with a negative organisaton, and control it's direction.
These are only the tip of the iceberg.
According to Blavatsky it is the Mayavi-rupa, the thought or dream body, the sheath of the mind and memory and emotion, known and named in Theurgy, as the Body of Light.
Hermes said about it- "thou shalt separate the fine from the gross, acting with great sagacity!"

I expected it to be slow work, so I'm not expecting much very soon, but it is building up very slowly. What I'm doing is getting an old tape cassette, marking it side A, and B, then fliping it about, so I don't know which side is which, and putting it behind a clock, on table, then using the body to test which side is facing up. So far no success yet, but it's early days.

What is happening is that it was hard to get into the body, and see, but although i can't see very well, my attention is not wandering, and it is slowly becoming more real.
I am performing the LBRP while in the body, for two reasons, one for protection, and they say you must train the body, to move, and function, just like a baby learning to co-ordinate for the first time.
The LBRP, uses actions, and words. Also the LBRP, replaces all the gross matter of the Physical, with higher more subtle matter, with is more similar to the planes, hence easier.
If your body is very dense, or heavy you will find it hard to get out.
It becomes dense over time, with negative energy, hence alot of younger people project- easily.
This is where the phrase, He/she is very dense, Or He/She are very thick... a reference to the fact that a person who is quite negative, and thus cut off from higher guidence, ect. These people seem untelligent, because they are negative and are literaly 'thick'.

I am walking slowly around the room, to create it in the astral, as well.

Also you can recite an invocation to help ' I tread upon high !'
' I tread upon the firmament of Nu !' ' I raise a flashing flame with the lightening of mine eye, ever rushing onwards in the splendour of the daily glorified Ra giving my life to the dwellers of Earth !' 'I rise, I rise, like a hawk of Gold !'
The first two are supposed to be good.

I have more info, and I'll put it up tomorrow.

Alex,

Tried to load the pages myself... no problem. Try again, if you still have a problem, get back to me, i copied them.

I have more valuble info on this techn. if you want i will post it.

There's alot more to the body of light method, than meets the eye []

You can  alter your physical life from there, with more power, also affect organizatons. You can gain knowledge/wisdom.

I've been trying this tech. for the last 4 weeks. Ten mins of imagining the body, and about five creating the room. I'm definately getting results, albeit slowly.
The feeling of being in the room, while putting mind into the body, is getting more real, and is getting easier.
I found it difficult at the start, but now I can get into the body, and do the LBRP quite easily.
Still doesn't  feel like true A.P. yet

Nothing implies an oppsite, to something, which it is not.
It is simply refered as... that!
Blavatsky.

Nagual,
Stick with what your happy with, of course. But maybe you could do without your car, your house ect. so you can be free, you may say that is different, but not really, they are just aids to help you.
In fact a car, can set you free, freedom to go where you wish. You may become tied to it, but the car didn't do that, The person with the car did. It still has the ability to set you free. And so the symbol I used, set me free.
 Can I repeat myself by saying that a symbol, has a direct link with the thing it represents! like a plug in your wall, is like a symbol for the power station,  plug in and get all that power, of course the socket in the wall has no power, in itself, it is connected to something that does.
So the dichotomy is, it does have power, and it doesn't, also.

I have worked with a certain symbol, that I thought  was for attracting prosperity into my life, it did, but what I didn't know is that it affected me in many powerful ways. ( Of course it was the thing the symbol represented, the power lay ) Did you ever come across, maybe an older Guy, like the director of a large company ?. Some of these Guys, just have to look at a project, to get it working. Like having the Midas touch, or the Golden touch, you may have heard of. And you wonder, how did they do that so easily ?.

That is exactly what happened to me, which is very unusual for a Pices Man.
I would just have to focus on something, and it would work out-
I cannot describe the Joy it is bringing to my life, it's like wow a cloudy day, it's so dark and interesting, and amazing. Like the sunny feeling you may have felt, on a golden day you never forgot, as a child. I couldn't believe it, but that happened to me, and is still happening.
The Joy is simply stunning. The freedon. The Clensing that occured. My psyche, changed, my mentality, physical - everything.

It has transformed me as from my childhood, (which wasn't too good) I am different, in a good way, it has brought about a rebirth literaly, a REBIRTH.
There are other changes, which I won't go into because many people would not believe it, as they don't know me, and can't see it.

The symbol has changed me in incredible way. In a very Focused way.

I have the four leaf clover !


AS regards relying on symbols, you are only given them, when you are ready. It's one of life's ironic things, only when you are easily able to do something, are you given a tool, to do it!

So if I am fit enough, strong enough, have the right determination, boots, jacket, will, sincerity, mental ability, agility, ect. and can climb a mountain, no problem, ------- Then I will be given the helicopter. NOT before.
If I become unfit, loose interest,ect. the helicopter will be taken away, Do you understand ?

There is no hope of me becoming reliant on a particular symbol. I have learned many ways to be happy, besides a symbol, if I were to loose it.

I know how to get all of the above, without any symbol, and did it already. THAT is WHY I was given this symbol. I didn't need it, that is also why i was given the symbol. Because I learned to be happy without such help, then, I was given this.

The effects are permanent. I found out later, The symbol was linked to the particles of God, which I attracted into my life, but thinking I was going to get a bit of extra cash !
I was completly ignorant of it's effects.

I feel the symbol, is too sacred, to be given out like chewing gum to be chewed over, and then after a while, spat out. If someone sincerly wanted it, and felt the time was ready for them, they would have to e-mail me, provided they were sincere, I would assist all I can.

Unfortunatly, the symbols didn't do much for my spelling !
All came from God, and the Nazarian, every thing I have.

Sorry, LA FORET MAUVE I can't resist ! one is cessation, away from the Lord, and One is going towards the Lord, or simply balance.
Balance is the key, in other words the way to becoming a Messiah, is, simply put, towards balance. Living in full awareness, being now, let it be, yes, ect.
The other is towards imbalance, obsession, getting power through negativity, the main reason that keeps serial killers interested, in their path.

We Humans like to think that we are at the center of the Universe some times! , and without our power, nothing has any real meaning. I feel that some symbols came into being, before we collectively created time/space. They have a DIRECT connection/link to the thing, or force they represent. A bit like a computer terminal linked to a super computer down the street, the terminal, has the FULL power of the thing it represents, eg. the super computer. So the terminal, you could say was the outward symbol for the inner thing, the supercomputer. Using the power of the terminal, is what I prefer to do.

So by focusing on the symbol for God, there is a direct link to that being. By focusing on the symbol for a highly imbalanced spirit (what we would call a devil), we attract that being, or qualities it has to offer.
Nagual, you are surrounded, by symbols. Look around you, everything you see is an image, or symbol of the real thing, which exists on the planes. You can test this image or symbol, by holding a magnifying glass up, and looking through it, the image will be distorted. You are only interpreting light which goes through your eyes, which is changed into electrical energy. So nothing you see is real ! but the good thing is your brain not only interprets an image, you create it.
The more you image somthing, and the longer, using your image-ination, the more physical it becomes, until more and more energy is added, it literaly explodes into light, in the other levels, and displays an image, or symbol of itself on the physical plane. (conversations with God).
Going for a job, or other things in your life you must have worked with symbols, first.
You actually know all ready. Ever looked at a picture of a nice car, house ? or boat , or something you desire ? drooling over it, looking at it often, picturing what it would be like to own it. If you have ever done this, you have worked with symbols. some people know their power, and use them consiously.
They are so powerful, because, they are the LANGUAGE of the subconsious. So working with symbols, is working directly with the most incredible power you have.

Can I say that if  a person using a particular symbol, is easily led, and  view symbols as the master,  then they are going to land themselves in trouble thats too big for them.. Because nothing is your master.   Keeping in mind that you are the master, and  these are tools, they may assist, (not help, as you do not need help) you to attain other things. I think it's a bit like trying to climb a very big mountain, you can climb  the whole thing yourself, or you could use a chairlift, or a helicopter.
Symbols are like the helicopter, they help you to get to the top, a bit quicker.
I think what your saying is, when a person becomes reliant on a particular symbol, to achieve a certain result. That would also be very bad, as when you rely on anyone, or anything, it will let you down, without fail, always. This is the way it should be.
I don'y rely on symbols, I use them. I can use them, because I don't need them. They serve me, not the other way around.
As regards a placebo, I cannot convince you, that they are not. But I can prove it[]

Hey zjrules,
I don't buy you are 13,
You remind me of a guy that posted under the name APOPHIS, from Croatia, he posted in ALL CAPS, told Adrian to .. well I wont, say 'cause I'm too much of a Gentleman, unlike you, and was equally disrespectful, and rude.

Capital Y at the start of a sentance !.
'you should have written:'
he he he.

Sorry Nagual, I have personal experience of working with a symbol, I thought was for a certain limited purpose. I did it for one reason but it  affected me in astonishing way, I couldn't describe, and never expected.
Your right the intent, is important, but the Symbol, is also very important, even if you do not know what it is, it will still produce a result.
I have a feeling, that some Symbols are new, and some are older than the universe.
Thanks Tisha.. but I have a good working relationship with symbols, they'er very powerful, thats why I like them. They represent living realities on the planes.

I'v probably used the tattwa symbols over a period of five months, streched over one and a half years, and they have had a very profound effect !
I am having trouble understanding the effects, and what they mean, (besides a mind that goes at 170mph !)
Does anyone know more about the tattwa, and how it affects a person?

Quote Tisha...

When I am ready
I will put out ADVERTISEMENT.

I thought that's what the pic to the left was []
Well two adverts !

I think the black mirror is just a tool, and is not bad, or good in itself, but like any tool, can be used for good or bad.

Here's some info... http://www.homestead.com/crystalforest1/howtoscry.html

There is a excelent book on the subject, by Donald Tyson.
The technique is very old...

http://www.homestead.com/crystalforest1/howtoscry.html

your right, thanks for the warning.