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so i was reading this it touched me pretty deeply for im living in a few things they were saying so i understand a bit of it and thought mabye u guys may learn something too this is were we share our growth and grow as one or together

here it is
http://www.universel.net/lessons/200403_Lesson.cfm?Selected=Lessons&CFID=1937538&CFTOKEN=20064508

wow took me one year to get vibration and still havent astral yet good luck man ur on a fast paste

do illegal stuff get u there in no time

i guess im just too lazy to fix my spelling lol

awesome well i just got a few vibration burst not strong tho shot llike 4 time through out my hole body then i tried to control the vibration and ruined everything well im happy tho everyday is a new day and everyday i get a step closer and closer this is awesome alreadi knowing that im getting closer ive alway thought im not the rite type to actually do these stuff maybe i dont have wat it take but i gues im wrong with the rite attitude and persistancy it sooner or later will come just have to wait and stop trying to force the ball out of it and frustrate ur self to the point u want to hit something , but thank this site. truly is a motivated place too keep u goin. hope we all meet in the astral someday and share our experience and evolve to the truth of our true existence

dat sucks how long did it take u for ur first astral projection

hey guy i need some guidence from u guys. so this is whats happening im laying down on my bed doing a few deep breaths to relax like a few minutes. than ill use something like a mantra hmm i usually use reeeelaaaaax or  you are sleeeeeeepiiiiing. so  ill be switching back and forth cuz im so bored of one thing then later down the road ill feel my body go numb but no so numb to the state of not feeling my body at all. but it'll take extra energy to actually move my body and im stuck here.
i can go on for as long as i can all i feel is just a slight shift like about to sleep but once i notice it, it goes away and back to normal is there anything i can do guys

wow thansk Timandra i never new that. this getting exciting cant wait till i can astral project so basically i just got use the power of my thought to get there and everything else will come as it is

hey guys so ive been  praticing astral projection and i was told praticing dream recall help out ten folds. so wat happen was i finally got 7 dreams i remember in one night but for some reason this was the only time ive ever been able to notice them. i never notice i had  dreams before there really rare even if i do i forget it instantly. so wat happen was i woke up after that dream and wrote down on a book or journall. everything felt so real,so after that i went back to sleep but wen i woke up again i checked and i didnt write anything down at all is this what u guys call a obe experience all my dreams were in color i even flew but  jumping style

well nice meet u all. we should have a place once we can all do obes and go on a group trip like a school field trip i wonder if that possible

so your saying that were able to still have thoughts while we are inducing and obe or astral projection
i thought that the mind must be almost asleep to induce obe's. everytime my mind isnt well relax that its very difficult to do it. but im starting to feel my body  go numb mostly on my hands and feet but thats all. and darn it take a  long time like 1 to 2 hours to get there

thanks alot

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here it is u gotta find ur own way to contact him

http://spellsandmagic.com/page2.html

i noe this will diffinetly help so keep me up dated this guy can hang him self with actual hooks and he can stop the bleeding and stop pain this guys in sane with magic

thanks holy shiet i just had an obe but damn i was in sleep mode everything was so vivid in colors and i actually had 7 dreams usually i wouldnt even remember one .
one of the wierd things was i woke up riting down my experiencees and woke up checking it and i didnt write it down wat a trip i had a same thing before wen the phone was ringing and i picked up yet it was still ringing so i woke up again and grabed it its a very very long story i even go a blowjob with some sex included it was awesome damn i wanna go back if u guy want more about my dream wich some of them were so quick or maybe i couldnt remember it all i woke up wroke it all down in one shot so might be missing lots of part just let me know if ur interest to listen to my story thanks guuys

no i usually do meditation... clearing the mind for like an hour then ill smoke some weed then try to do astral projection but its hasnt help so im gonna try astal projection without smokeing weed ive been trying only laying down for it is more relaxing i can sit up for hours and only get to the point of laying down whithin 1 hour

hey guys ive been meditaiting for a year now but everytime i sleep i would meditate after trying astral projection i notice that i cant sleep anymore i have to meditate for along peroid of time then i would just fall asleep its so hard sleeping now than before like i have forgotten how to fall asleep my mind is so awake
also ive been on and off with astral projection i would pratice meditation more often then astral projection i noe its real and all but still without experienceing it its really hard for my consouisness to believe it ive read many things i heard that not trying is the best technique so im just gonna forget about astral projection an just beaware of it and let it happen naturally i believe i got tinglings about once through out the year and it was just few days ago but i can reaach numbness now but still feel my body and able to move it so i guess i need more pratice there also after an hour or two my mind just cant stand it anymore like im gonna pop and go crazy of all the mantra i say or word or watever im saying to keep it off any help would be awesome thanks guys

hey guy i was wondering is it possible to have thoughts in astral projection ive been meditation for about perfectly a year now but i still have tiny tiny thoughts not alot but really less and im wondering if it possible to go into a trance while having these thought cuz i noe to get in deep trance there should be no thought but i hear and see ppl using these thought for exitig the body or doiong something so like repeating a word till u have no thought so im kinda confused here chattering and thoughts arent they the same  ppl us mantra for meditation also i hear it for obe as well so i just want more knowlegde on it i noe im closer to ap now then i ever was feel like its just about there i feel numbness and tiny vibration really rare tho the vibration mostly just numbness but the problem is i can still move my body wen i try to move my fingers it does take more effort like typing i just gotta usese more energy to move it i know my english is the best cuz i havent past highschool or elementry so sorry if its a bit hard to understand

hey  guys im new here ive been wondering around for weeks even months ive been despretely been trying to do astral projection on an off cuz its so hard to actually acomplish but ive been meditating for a year now and trying to develop ability to acomplish the astral ill never give up that all i noe even if i gotta sit in room forever ill sooner or later get there im already at a state were my body get number i felt little bit of tingling mini vibration through out half my body well at least i noe im on the rite track


so here more about me i meditate using
mantra wen my mind is wondering
i use breath work once my mind slow down
then i just oberserve thought for there not alot of thought so i just cruise with it
hmm there actually alot to say but not knowing where to start so ill save the rest for out up coming meeting on the post nice meet yall this is some crazy shiet an i beleive this is the truth which im still in search for sorry for my spelling and stuff ive never finish high school so its pretty dirty haha hope u all of ur best luck for ap