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I have many times in the past practiced the ability to view aura's. I never gave myself as much credit as I should has because now as I read Robert Bruce's guide to viewing Aura's I've noticed I'm reasonably good at seeing aura's on basic colors and developing some with other things (people ect).

I've noticed one thing though, I wear glasses and if I look at someone directly and focus I can see traces of the aura begin to appear within 10-15 seconds. However if I look at them at an angle through the edges of my glasses I can almost see the same colors instantly. Any words?

First off I'd like to thank cube! Without his advice of a method found here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13262&whichpage=1, this would have taken a lot longer to achieve! Thank you!!!!!


This morning started out very frustrating as when my initial alarm went off at 5:30 to wake me up for my practice I had a lot of competition getting back into a relaxed state much less to sleep. These things at this point are all very unimportant as the good news is finally I had in fact gone into an OBE. I'm not entirely sure what exactly fueled my OBE but I will do my best to explain things from the beginning...

-Born Again with Wings

I started off in a dream world of some type, not exactly sure but I felt very drunk and intoxicated. I was having a hard time controlling my basic motor skills, and the only thing I really knew for sure was that I REALLY needed to pee. I somehow (A lot of this part was blocked out after the OBE) managed to get into Dez's bathroom. I know it was hers because I knew I was at her house, and it had the very large mirror on the wall with the door to the right of it. For some reason though the toilet had moved to almost directly in front of the mirror. I began doing my duty, when shortly after I realized I'd peed all over myself, the floor, and the mirror. Terribly emberrased, and still quite intoxicated feeling I stumbled up to clean the mess I had made. Next thing I knew I ended up in a completely different room no longer with my 'bodily mess'.

Again this frustrated me, and for some reason without even thinking about it I simply told myself "imagine the bathroom as hard as you can, and you'll be back into it". Ohhhh did I imagine. I closed my 'eyes' and began to imagine, a sudden flash of light with a sound only described as "woosh" I was suddenly tingling all over and laying next to my girlfriend in her room. The room was lit by the mornings glow as well as an omni-light that seemed to stay with me as I navigated about the room. For some reason at the foot of the bed was a door that led outside. This puzzled me very little however noted, as I was more excited at the time to have escaped my body.

The vibrations were intense at this moment and my vision wasn't it's best yet, but I instantly took everything I read and began my trained practice of breath control. I'm not really sure what the exact reason was for, but I began to roll. Perhaps to fully escape my body but as I rolled I rolled to the side and wound up laying my head directly into my girlfriends lap. She made no motion, no noise, and no startling attempt at asking me what was going on. ( This time ) So I excitedly began to dart for the door at the foot of the bed, or so I thought anyway...as I sluggishly crept to the edge of the bed and immediatly fell to the floor. I remembered one thing I seem to have forgotten, I don't have legs in the astral, and I sure as hell can't rely on being able to just "push off" things.

I used my arms and created my own balance structure and got myself upright. As soon as I was up there was no stopping me as I was more determined than ever. I looked at the door and I darted for it with all my might. As I got closer I saw it was a windowed door, and beyond it was a pool.(At the speed I was traveling I knew I was going over or through it.) I thought nothing of the door and made no attempt to 'open' it as I headed for it as fast as I could. I knew inside that the door would hold no competition to my direction and as expected I flew straight through it. (As there really is no door at the foot of her bed this instantly took me from the RTZ and placed me into an astral dimension.)

I could feel myself smiling, I lept into the air and gracefully floated over the pool and into the grassy field behind the house. (There really is no grassy field behind her house as it is a residential park, but after exiting the door I knew I'd left the all possibility of sense behind) The field was beautiful, slightly rolling with strong, healthy trees all throughout it. I jumped up in the air for the first attempt to really fly, and as I floated along I began my sinking back down. I remember thinking to myself 'Damn' as I'd realized that I had to train myself to ignore gravity.

I instantly ran, and as I did I saw a child running towards my path tossing a ball into the air, I ran by laughing and jumping in front of him and I believe I gave him a hell of a startle. He just looked at me as if he'd just seen a fool run through his path of bliss and pass by like the wind. I could not resist any longer and began flying up and down and left and right, and also doing my best to incorperate my training that gravity no longer existed. Which I believe I've already got quite a handle on  I even flew feet first, backwards, up into the air through the trees facing the ground with my arms extended in front of me. Darted back towards the ground and kicked myself around so I basically did a 360 and turned around.

Suddenly I remembered something I'd read in Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics about being able to simulate travel via vehicle such as driving a car or riding a motorcycle. Considering my love for motorcycles passed on to me from my biker father I was truly excited for my next experiment. I got in position as if I were sitting upon a crotch rocket and tweaked the throttle. I don't know if it was me making the noise or if it just came to me but I had the engine screaming as I tore off like a bat out of hell flying back across the grassy knoll towards the house.

Upon hitting the final hill before the house I jumped my 'bike' into the air and instantly threw my arms out to my side as I flew backwards through the air like something you would see in a comic book. It felt amazing, I felt amazing, the view was something I could have never imagined, and the best part was it was so real and anything I wanted to do I could and anywhere I wanted to be I was there. As if I'd been injected with all the confidence in the world, I instantly knew everything I needed to know about 'flying' and darted down towards the house and like a stunt plane turning seconds before I crashed and shot out past the house over a large body of water. (I am living right by the beach in florida you know.)

As I flew along next thing I know I saw the golden gate bridge that crosses California. The colors were so vibrant and the bridge was so detailed. Considering my poor vision this was probably one of the parts that meant the most to me. I shot up to street level and soared over the cars on the bridge and back down and off the other side. I quickly flew back to shore and landed, hearing my phone beeping to tell me to wake back up.

"excrement" I said to myself. "I've got to write this down before I forget it" - The hardest part of this whole thing, leaving it before I could finish experimenting all the things I've been dying to try. I also wanted so badly to try and make it to API to search for any fellow OBE'ers, much less continue on my adventure through the realms of the astral. I decided that time was forever mine at this point, and the best thing to do would be write down my experiences and go at it again another time.

Another woosh, another set of vibrations and I was instantly laying back in my body. Not fully attatched yet I lay there a minute thinking to myself in excitement. I was still viewing through the astral vision as I lay for a moment catching my breath. (The door was gone this time however) Finally I settled back in, and here I am. I've got a lot of new theories based upon this experience, but we'll save that for later. Right now it's only 7:30 and I'm going back to bed to finish sleeping.


EDIT: Excuse the messy grammer/writing. This is directly from my log on my laptop so I was quite out of it not to mention excited when I wrote this.

A debate between Leyla and Veccolo found here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13362 about the differences/similarities between a dream or an OBE brought into memory an OBE I had recently one weekend at my girlfriends house. Made me wonder a little so I'm hoping to get some opinions from you all here []

This is a brief summary of a dream that ended in a very short OBE, the full story can be seen here: http://www.beyondallfaith.com/gmlog/archives/00000002.htm I'd been having a very detailed dream as I commonly do, and the typical trigger for me in a dream to realize I'm dreaming and go into lucid is that I'm being chased by a monster or something of that scenario. Well this time it didn't quite happen like that and I in fact continued with the dream silently partaking, meanwhile observing the odd behavior of things around me. Well in the end of this one I saw two girls dissapear into a wall I'd just climbed over so at this point I simply quit trying to make sense of everything and 'woke up'. When I did my eyes opened facing to the side as I commonly lay on my left side facing my girlfriend when I'm staying there. She was laying face up, silent and very peacefull looking. She looked to me at this moment more beautiful than she'd ever been (Not that I don't think she's beautiful but this was angelic). I instantly came to my senses and realized I was out of my body. This was only the second time I've had an OBE that didn't startle me back to my body, and the first time I thought I'd woken up in someone elses house and freaked out []. I was so excited that although I could look at my girlfriend all day long I simply *had* to get up and check things out around me [^]. I got up so quickly and so easily I nearly flew off the bed (my first time really moving in an OBE) and as soon as I rose to a sitting position I heard my girlfriend ask me where I was going. This startled me as I thought I was projecting, and she was asleep. Suddenly I became nervous and my vision blacked out, I tried to speak and tell her what was going on, and I could hear myself in my head but I knew my lips weren't moving. I woke up again, this time for real, in the same position on my left side. This time however I saw the back of her head as she laid on her side obviously in a deep sleep. When I mentioned this to her in the morning (She doesn't personally practice OBE's or any other metaphysical activities but she's very supportive of my practicing them) she had no recollection of any of the events. She mentioned that she has a habit of talking in her sleep, but I specifically remember her laying upon her back, facing upwards.

Do you think it was her projected double? I really wish I'd payed more attention to her now [] because I feel it would have provided a hell of a learning experience. I simply thought she was sleeping...

Any words? Even if you think I'm crazy, tell me something...


EDIT: Now that I re-read my entry, is it possible I'm absolutly crazy and I wasn't actually having an OBE? I've never actually heard of anyone 'waking' on their side during an OBE.

Hello,
My name is Jim and I'm 20 years old. Metaphysics, astral projection, and things of the liking have interested me since I was very young. I was however for years from the time I was very little into the dawn of my teenage years haunted by very bad nightmares as a result of my over-active and admittingly 'dark' imagination. My mother being very concerned for me as I had obviously not yet learned to grow out of the 'scared of the dark' stage yet had decided to teach me a trick. She informed me all she could about dreams including that dreams could easily be manipulated providing you can realize it is a dream. I took this as common-knowledge and simply expected everyone to know this so I saw no trouble in doing it myself. For all I can remember (this WAS a while back, and I only learned of what I was doing within the past couple years) I was instantly solving my nightmares by controlling them. This became habitual for me, and I in fact had a good run of nightly lucid dreams. I would stop the dream and it would suddenly transform into exactly as I wished and I would fly and visit my friends for the rest of the night.

To me at the age it seemed completely normal and innocent, and it got to the point I haven't had a nightmare since without somehow triggering it on purpose. (Which I have yet to have done) Doing so instantly kicks my old habit into play and I am again in control of my dreams, only now I know exactly what I'm doing, and attempt from there an OBE.

This would all be fine and dandy except I have not the slightest idea how I'm supposed to cause myself to have a nightmare. Even still I would really not have to force myself into one anyway because I could really do without the negative energy that it brings with it. I have yet to realize in an ordinary dream however that I am, in fact, dreaming. Is this because of the habit I developed as a child? If so can anyone offer me any help in breaking it?

Last night I predicted that it would be a very productive night for me due to the thunderstorm but I wasn't expecting nearly what I recieved. I had been having a dream much like I usually do and it seemed like my own version of Texas Chainsaw Massacre as a man was about to kill me for 'looking at him funny'.(For some reason I have the best results when I have a bad dream) Like usual I knew this was my que to come out of my dream and 'awaken' to take control of my dream. I decided I was going to go all out this time and instead of making him dissapear I was going to teach him a lesson for putting me through the living hell(or dreaming hell in this case) that he had. I jumped up screaming "NO!" as loud as I could and immediatly swung my fist directly towards his face and suddenly everything went black and I could feel the environment around me change. No longer was it cold, damp, and thick but very clear and free of movement. My entire body began to tingle and I felt my legs standing and I could identify each active muscle as I stood up. I knew instantly that I had gotten out of my body, it wasn't some big billboard saying "Welcome to OBE Land!", it wasn't some amazing force, it was just an immediate understanding as if everything I'd been trying to learn, and all the mysteries were simply...there. I took a few steps forward and I began to open my 'eyes' and at the time I didn't realize it but it was my old room from when I first moved to Florida. This is where things fell out, I immediatly thought that I was looking through my real eyes and that I had done something wrong, so I closed my 'eyes' and tried to open another set of eyes. (oops) This immediatly put me back in my body where I woke up back on my floor where I sleep each night. Although I would normally be dissapointed in my performance I'm rather proud of myself. That was the first time I'd actually stepped away from my body. I've began OBE's before but never successfully pulled away from my body. So, yay!?

"Then, I just started to tell everybody that it was a dream... and woke up 20 seconds after." -Nagual http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8399

I'm glad I'm not the only person who's done this, but I'm a little concerned because I'd been having a lot of success with 'waking up' while in my dreams and taking over complete control. So to help my development in entering OBE's I decided on focusing on entering them through my dreams for a while. In fact its been quite successful, and fun. Every time I told myself for the past week 'I will realize I'm dreaming and take over the dream' I have. BUT last time I did this I was having a bad dream for some reason and this monster type thing dwelling in this house was literally eating my friends, so I told myself this was a dream and couldn't be actually happening, next thing I know I kill the creature and boom all my friends are standing outside with me having a good time as if it never happened. However my girlfriend standing next to me suddenly said something referring to the monster and in I looked at her immediatly wide eyed and said "You remember!? Dez, this is all a dream, its not really happening!" but she just looked at me like I upset her and next thing I know my usual 'control' over the environment (like being able to fly, being able to make things just come to me, ect) had all left me and I woke up less than a minute later. I was a little freaked out and have since had a hard time remembering any of my dreams, much less entering an OBE through them. Is this just my mind messing with me as a result of my 'freaking out' or is there something actually wrong? The only dreams I've had that I can remember were one precognition I had the other night which came true the next day, and one this morning that lasted about 15-20 minutes in my dream but was actually only 9 (I know it was only nine because it was between my multiple pressings of the snooze on my alarm clock [])

Well last night I was doing my usual attempts for OBE and other practices but I kept noticing my right hand every time I'd enter a tranced state would begin to feel as if I had a nail (as in hammer and nails) driving straight through it between my middle finger and the finger next to your pinky. I would come in waves and at first it was quite painful, then I began to focus the energy into a rush that whent throughout my body and felt almost too good to handle, then right back to severe pain after a few minutes. Anyone else ever have anything like this happen to them?

The good news though is that this morning when I woke up for work I did my usual routine of slamming down the snooze timer for 9 more minutes of sleep only this time I said to myself "I'm going to project" and next thing I knew I was asleep. While I was asleep I began a dream scenario but within seconds I was able to realize I was in a dream! At first I could feel myself fading out of the dream as my concious woke up slightly but I fought to stay concentrated and magically put a set of keys in my hands and jumped behind the wheel of my camaro! I was so happy that I began making things happen (Then I spoke 'Let everyone be naked!' and it was so! (Call me sick...I'm just easily amuzed)) simply to enjoy the fact that I was in control of the experience! I know it wasn't a concious-exit however this pattern is very common in my previous practices and I know I'm VERY close to having a concious-exit!

I was just curious if anyone else had these problems and if they seemed to hurt them in any way during their practices?

Basically my first and most common problem, I salivate...a lot...(Yea I'm one of those guys who is 19 and still drooling on the pillow) and while in trance or meditation I still salivate (I may stop for 20 minutes but it eventually kicks in) and if I don't gulp ([xx(]) then I'll potentially choke or even drown (Boy would that be a news headline). I've gotten pretty decent at doing this without interrupting my trance but I was just curious if I was alone [:I]

My other, slightly more devistating, however less common problem is eye twitches. I can literally feel myself getting closer and closer to having my first successful OBE. I can now feel very strongly my arms and legs moving and have felt my body raise and lower, but right when things start getting a little rough my eyes begin to twich at very rapid rates and occasionally because of this spring partially open. Its very frustrating and kills the momentum I get going and basically every step forward ends two steps back. Anybody else out there have this problem or know a good tip to solving it?
(NOTE: My entire body has quite a few unconcious twitch fluctuations especially while doing energy practices. Sometimes my hand can be laying palm down and it will twitch and land palm up.)

I realize substance abuse is something that nobody should partake in, but I've got some questions that I've seen multiple answers to.

First and foremost, my question of my own addiction. I don't get 'hooked' on many things in life. In fact I've started many habits that are claimed to be impossible to break that I've gone cold turkey on and never looked back. My real foe however could be caffene and sugar. As I sit here with my 4th 20 oz (in the hour and a half I've been awake, nothing unusual) bottle of tea I've made today with 2 tea bags and a enough sugar to fill a quarter of the bottle I wonder how this may effect my abilities to develop myself further in this type of stuff. I've got a major caffene and sugar addiction that has only gotten progressivly worse over the years. I've always got to have a steady consumption of one or the other. I already medically need a consistant intake of fluids due to a slight birth defect in my diaphram, and with a need for more fluids every 20-30 minutes I really cannot take that much water. Any suggestions?

Another question that fills this topic however is drug use. I personally quit all my drug use for fear of my health and wellbeing as well as not personally enjoying the feeling I got from it anymore. However I've read on other pages that some people believe they recieve great spiritual experience from seldom use of drugs. Especially acid and ecstacy. I almost immidiatly marked these off as making as much sence as the people who are just looking for another good reason to give up on themselves for another drug, however I try to remain open minded. So I was hoping to get other peoples opinions on the subject. So the question is, Do drugs and spiritual enlightenment mix? Yay, or Nay?

Personally I say Nay, for the reason of, one more obstacle to overcome to fully experience the journey, one more obstacle to block your memory of the even afterward, and one less level of active and positive judgement you have to guide you in your adventure.

I've been reading a lot of different peoples posts and such about meditation, obe's, a/p's and energy development. Very excited and very confident I rushed home yesterday to begin my practices once more. Left unsuccessful however still full of hope I spent several hours in a deep trance state. For the first half I tried vigerously to enter an OBE however after some time I decided it was enough for the day and simply took the opportunity to observe my current conditions and the things I was experiencing. My body tingled all over and any part of me that came in contact with something else was doubled in sensation. My heart was beating regular pace however I could feel it as if it were surging throughout my entire body in the thick of my flesh. (torso, head, thighs, and upper arms), I was in complete relaxation and I was able to hear my two roomates walking up the stares to our apartment 3 stories down as if they were right next to me. I also spent some time yesterday with the New Energy Ways (N.E.W. System) and noticed that a lot of the excersises were familiar in that I've done them before without knowing what I was really doing, feeling engergy build-up and MBA. (Just playing with my body when I was bored at work/school)

Now's where the worry comes in though. No more than a few minutes afterward I was left with the most painfull headache I've ever experienced in my life. If anything I'd say I overworked myself, nothing too uncommon with me and I'm going to have to keep an eye on how much I practice this stuff. The rest of the day and into the night yesterday I was in almost unbearable pain, and still today I have a minor pulse feeling bursting inside my skull every second making for a quick dizzy spell. However other than that I feel absolutly amazing! My feet, and hands tingle every time they come in contact with anything (secondary energy centers) My ability to see auras is a lot stronger than normal, and I just feel physically more alive than usual. If there are any warnings besides the obvious being carefull not to over do it with my energy and obe practice, please let me know. But otherwise, I'm very happy with the way things are going.

I've read many peoples descriptions of their first OBE's and A/P's...however they always seem to skip over the first, most vital (imho) part of the experience...right before and when it happened. They always seem to pour right into "I was standing/floating/hovering..."

Please, everyone share with everyone else your feelings, emotions, and ect. of your first and initial experience in the world beyond your body.

A basic guideline could be what were you doing when it happened, were you meditating? were you trying to enter an OBE(A/P)? or was it all unplanned? What were you thinking about, what did you think when you noticed it was happening? What let you know you were experiencing? What was the first thing you saw? Did you just jump right into the middle of a scene? Or did you start off with a simple light beyond your closed eyelids? Be as descriptive as you can about those few brief moments before you began your first journey.

I'm just trying to gain some general knowledge of other peoples experiences as well as learn a little bit about the people here. Although I'm sure you've all told this story before, please humor me, it'll make my life much easier [] (Especially since I'm browsing this at work while my computer at home is currently AWOL and my time is very brief)[)]

My name is Jim Neiderhiser and I'm 19 living as a web designer in Naples, Florida. I was just curious about OBE's because I've been interested in these types of things since I can remember but the lacking support I received from my mother any time I spoke of them as a child made it a little hard for me to grow into it.

I've been practicing my OBE's and meditation for a little under a year but I'm not totally sure if I've had any real luck with it. I've got numerous books and I spend a lot of my time reading and gathering information on these types of things. I know for a fact I've had lucid dreams and I've even come to acknowledge in my dreams that I was dreaming and began taking control of them. However when it comes to concious-exit OBE's I'm a bit slow.

I've had two VERY similar experiences that I believe to be my first steps into OBE's however some verification and tips would be very helpful.

I've heard everyone has different experiences when entering a concious-exit OBE however the two I've had were a little disturbing. I was lying in my room and after meditating for roughly an hour I decided once again it was a no-go and rolled over to sleep. Within seconds my body was rushed with the pins and needles feeling all over and it felt as if my torso were lifting off of the bed (in an inverted U style) however my body was not moving at all. My hands and legs were shaking roughly and I could hear loud strong rolls of thunder and what sounded like a child crying. Above me on my ceiling I saw flashes like lightning that followed each crack of thunder and what appeared to be the jack of spades (spade being the symbol I've used many times as a signature) with some biblical looking writing over top of it. This was of course quite unsettling for me and although both times I was fairly aware of what I thought was happening (the beginning of an OBE) I was very shaken up to the point I dropped out of it and was left very tired and out of breath.

It still sounds a little...odd...even to me, and it happened to me. I can't however think of any other reason for the experience. If there are any answers, suggestions, or anything else you can give me that would be VERY helpful. This is something I've devoted a lot of time to and would very much appreciate any help I can get with it. Thanks for your time.

[not]

halfphased:
I agree with you that anything you can get with the use of marijuana can be obtained by outright focus and effort. I'm in no way suggesting marijuana as an alternative to good 'ole fashioned work. In fact to use and not to continue with steady work is where the trouble comes from. Sometimes it's a little hard to just 'breath' and take the edge off, but again it doesn't mean smoking pot is the best or only alternative. Hell, for the most part I and I'm sure others can agree it is just a very nice social habit if used wisely to just enjoy the company of those your with. Not necissarily for spiritual enlightenment but just to relax and let go of physical thought. Just as having a glass of wine on a special occasion with friends. These things don't make you a bad person, or incapable of any particular abilities.

Firstly, no matter how this sounds I mean no offense to you or your views. I appreciate your concern on the matter, regardless my reaction.

BlackBox:
I understand your purpose, but please understand mine. You are here defending a view, and presenting to the adept one straight minded opinion against this 'soft-drug' marijuana. 'Informing' them that their use of this drug will gimp their progress and prevent them the ability to 'fly'.

I'm here playing devil's advocate and defending another view based on personal experience and first-hand knowledge. I have yet to experience any trouble 'flying' due to my decision to use the drug. Granted I don't feel drugs should be something used without regard, and proper planning (or lack there of (plans I mean)). One of the first rules in metaphysics and energy training is that you don't fall victom to negative suggestions, and let doubts slow you down. So would this not be a negative suggestion or a doubt to anyone who uses this substance?

Heres an example:
I believe strongly in AP/OBE/General Metaphysics and the liking...
A hardcore christian I know believes it's the work of the devil and I'm going straight to hell for it.

Which do you believe? Why? Do you have honest proof other than what you were told or came to believe yourself that either is true/false?

I'm sure synthetic substances leave tracks in the aura. I would never advocate for anyone to partake in the use of any drug much less advertise that I've done it and it's certainly the way to go. (Just for the record I haven't though [])

I don't really care to debate this issue with you because as I stated and we both are proving; We are not going to agree, and we certainly aren't going to change our minds. I'm simply trying to keep the minds open for those who believe the truth is theirs to decide. I personally don't feel my choices should be governed and my abilities or capabilities judged based on what I do or don't do. I'm not accusing you of doing this as I understand your position. I agree that people should be warned about the risks of drug use and I definatly don't feel drugs are for everybody. However I feel the concept altogether that drug use inhibits one's abilities to 'fly' breaches upon one's personal freedom.

pod3: "Flaws come to the surface, rather than being pent up." So aside from the common labels for people's habits. Your basically agreeing that people don't deny who/what they are. Instead they take their relaxed state to more enjoy it? I don't wish to dispute this, simply turn the light to the other side for once.

I have strong interests in psychology so I've many times spent my high watching people, noting to myself their behaviors and actions. I agree, that how people are is indeed magnified by the pot use. The wheel rolls both ways though. It all depends on the mindset you have when you go into it. As with anything, especially metaphysics.

Conch Shell: Just my personal opinion, mostly based on experience. The 'fact' that marijuana use leads to the use of harder drugs is bs. I myself and many of my friends have dabbed in pot use and none of us developed a fiending desire to shoot heroin, or smoke crack. It's the same way with anything, regardless what it is. There are just some people who don't know when to stop. That's not the drugs fault. I'm proof of that.

I think it could easily be noted that this topic is about as productive as spitting in the wind. Some people like and want to spit...and everyone else is the wind. Nobody is going to change there mind, and everyone is going to disagree.

Personally I'll stick to the same belief that's always worked for me. So long as you can control your use, and be responsible the only negative effects that come from pot use are created within one's self.

Kalonek: Although this is a good point I'm thinking to lean closer towards Naiad780's thought. I noticed driving home last night that as cars drove by at the intersection I could see a yellow glow beaming from their edges. As the cars came closer towards the center of my view it would dissapear. (I'm used to wearing contacts so glasses are a little new for me) I would agree that it's the loss of focus except if I look at a car sitting next to me and relax my eyes I can see different colors comming off of them from the one's I see out of the corner of my glasses.

Nay:
Those are some good points and well worth taking into consideration. I must say that I have a lot of faith in cube's method 100% where he recommends waking yourself up 2-3 hours earlier than your regular waking time. I feel this is optimal because by now your mind should be rested as well as relaxed enough that with the proper effort it can be kept awake and focused for the final portion of the practice. Hearing people's comments and such however I'm beginning to think the method could use some revisions similar to the following:

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Set your alarm clock to wake you up approximatly 2.5 hours ahead of your regular waking time. (i.e. If you wake up at 7:30 every morning have your alarm clock wake you at 5)

When you wake up set your alarm clock back to it's regular time to ensure if you fall asleep you will wake up on time.

Get up and stretch your legs, go to the bathroom, get a drink or a bite to eat. As cube mentioned don't make it something that will send your body into hyperdrive. You are only trying to get blood flowing to help ensure your brain will stay active. Your body shouldn't have too much problem getting back to sleep, it's your mind that's important here.

Get into whatever position you normally would to practice your conscious exit OBE's and begin breath awareness excersizes or some other way to help relax your body. Your mind shouldn't have too much trouble staying cleared as it should still be pretty relaxed.

Don't use the earplugs! Sorry cube but Nay mentioned something I specifically remembered. In Astral Dynamics R.B. mentioned if there is some noise to simply learn to ignore it. To block the noise out makes you too reliant on having it completely silent to project. You want to be as comfertable and free of needless accessories as possible. I've had moments in a busy room where I've begin to enter a trance state mid-way through conversation. It's simply teaching yourself to phase-out all interruptions.

Basically from here you just continue as you normally would with your projection practice. Whatever technique works best for you, it's basically just a matter of taking advantage of your body's tired state and your mind's rested/relaxed state as an aid. Key part is to just stay awake mentally and relax. Don't concern yourself with time. I've lost hours simply laying flat in a relaxed state, and felt like it was a mere 20 minutes. Even if you don't project, you come out feeling very refreshed! []


EDIT: Cube I hope you don't think I'm trying to steal your glory. I've mentioned many times without your help I would be searching long and hard for any sign of hope. I'm simply trying to help collaborate an effective method. Please give me any suggestions, comments both good and bad as you feel necissary! I know I'm certainly not the almighty wise man when it comes to this stuff. []

mactombs:
By waking up to later realize you weren't awake. Was it the timer or some other alarm that woke you? Or did you yourself wake up? What I'm fairly concerned with (for me personally at least due to how I am) that the alarm is waking me up...too much really.

quote:Reality checks or so hard when your reality is so strange to start with

- Amen

Well these glasses are more required for me to have any valid vision beyond 3 inches from my face In the room I'm currently sitting in (My office/hole in the wall) there are  5 florecent lights in a 40x16. (Think of a very large chewing gum package with lights)

I haven't had any more success. I've been toying with the times I go to sleep because I'm not 100% sure when exactly I got to bed the time it worked. One thing I really wish is there was a way I could turn off the alarm without moving! I'm reasonably sure I was paralyzed this morning after the first alarm! But the beeping was right in my ear driving me nuts, and I live with 2 other people one of which is a VERY light sleeper and right outside my door. Any ideas?

quote: It would be free..assuming you have a computer near your bed. Actually..I guess most people wouldn't have a computer near their bed. Stupid me. Nevermind *hits himself in the head*

I have my Windoze computer sitting within 5 feet of my bed, and my laptop sits right above my head always on when I sleep so all I gotta do is roll over and start typing away any time I want to remember something. []

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I use my cellular phone when I'm at my girlfriends house because she doesn't have an alarm clock or anything. It's unfortunate because it wakes her up as well [B)]

The only negative aspect of using my phone seems to be if I don't correctly exit/accept the first alarm then the rest of them stay silent until you do. Even if that's not until 8:30 the next morning when your sitting in a meeting at your work and the boss is expecting all cell phones to be turned off. [:O] Not that I'd know []

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I think upstream has a great idea, with a slight tutorial and a little editing you could easily make a program. I'd offer to make an easy one but there is no guarantee's of compatibility...especially with anyone using Linux OS because in vb.net (the language we use here at work) it requires API calls to play audio. Best bet is to use the tools we've got...(winamp/xmms, sample-audio files, and a little tinkering)

Ahh, understood now Sorry for the confusion. Freedom of information is a much kinder concept anyway . There must be some way to compress the size of the audio to fit more than just 70-80 minutes of audio onto the CD. May require a little more effort, but if you think about all the software with hours worth of audio on one disc it would only make sense.

Cube:
1st) Thank you loads for your advice with the breathing situation.

2nd) If you want a solution that would cost less than $30 for the people then I'd suggest the DVD route. Assuming you already have the DVD burner, aside from time $5 per CD or hell even $10 would more than cover the cost of a stack of DVD's and shipping. Simply use reinforced cardboard CD cases, or even bubble envelopes and send it via-snail mail. No extra charge all in all you'd be making a decent profit if you had a good product. I'd be more than happy to host the file off my web server if you don't have a place already to offer it as a download. (I have several gig's of webspace)

To be perfectly blunt one night (for some reason) I was cursed with sexual desires in my dreams. My dream worlds changed as I would wake up each time a sexual scenario began in my dream but every time I did I woke up with intense vibrations as if my body itself were prepared to exit and I just had to finish the job. It was however during a time I was practicing a new method but the dreams were before my practice even begun.