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*sigh*

well, that's it.  i'm done.  i tried to address the topic you posted, but you still just want to make this personal.

good day sir.

oh from my view we are right on topic there talking about stereo type thinking ( for me mental illness aswell since it hurts  the own system )
haha funny how different people can see such huge difference in things

edit: from my view i think that nothing is personal here since we dont know each other

you are quite welcome.  i too have enjoyed this exchange.

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care? 

since it may not have been done yet, i will address alfalfa's seemingly neutral question that was only intended to ask a legit question, certainly not meant to rile people up with no end game.

firstly, what is mental illness?  the problem with psychological pathology is that it is based out of one perspective, the modern scientific materialist perspective.  in the field of mental studies (psychology, psychiatry, sociology, social work, etc.) pathology is defined as being essentially any mental function that makes people incapable of functioning as any other normal civilized person.  to me that is biased and not valid.  like i said, i'm a psych major (bachelors degree within a few months, with the plan of continuing through phd) and i think about mental disorders a lot.  mostly because i'm disgusted by the label.  i don't believe in mental disorders, illness, pathology, whatever you want to call it.  i think the DSM is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard of.  people don't have mental disorders, they have unique lives that make them see the world in a unique way.  some of these people may not fit into the plan of society at large, that doesn't mean they are diseased.  a biological condition is perhaps a little different, but you mean to tell me that all of us in this forum and all of the people who believe in the reality of AP have biological brain damage?

the schism between the world of science and the world of spirituality has created monsters that are entirely shut off from one side or the other.  science and spirituality used to be the same thing, i'd like to see that come about again.  as it stands however, the two worlds are hard up to come together.  it seems fitting that science would like to see what we do and what we believe in as pathological.  that's the hard part about such a topic, it requires a little faith.  scientists (of the great church of scientism, ie the mainstream, science isn't inherently bad, the closed-minded people who preach the truths of science are) seem to be generally opposed to faith (though they sure do put a lot of faith in their science, which is little more than a new religion to me).  they want proof and nothing else.  it's a tough break, but the realm of the otherworlds is subtle, it's abstract, it's beyond the concrete reality that we focus on most of our lives.  if you are willing you let go and believe in all of this for just a little while, you might be surprised at the reality of it all.  when it comes down to it, we believe because we have experienced something profound and we're doing our best to explain it.

there are some "supposed mental illnesses" that can cause people to feel like they are out of their body, like schizophrenia.  but the implication is that unless we are all mentally ill, that we are intentionally inducing some kind of psychosis in order to experience these things.  that's a bit outlandish to me.  do you not dream?  if you do are you equally crazy?  or is you dream just random neural firing?  a natural function of the brain so it's ok.  to be honest, i don't know the nature of such experiences, but i don't claim to have those answers.  it may be entirely likely that these are imaginary journeys that we are undertaking.  that's fine with me really.  it's still impeccable control over our mind to be able to completely disconnect from the body and feel as if we are living in our imagination.  on the other hand, there is quite a bit of evidence supporting psi-phenomena (a great meta-analysis of psi research over the last 70 years can be found in a book called "Entangled Minds" by Dean Radin).  the reality of an interconnection between all minds isn't so far-fetched in the realm of science these days.  i wouldn't find it to be too big of a leap to apply the same findings to otherworld experiences.

i don't believe that we are all just delusional and mentally ill.  i have experienced the reality of these experiences first hand, and i feel that i have a pretty firm grasp on my sanity (or at least understand my insanity, lol).  like i said, i don't know exactly what they are and i don't really care.  i have felt it for myself and i intend to continue the practice.

now, if you and your buddy are serious (and not just trolls), then i except a serious response.  your move friend (and i mean that, i harbor no hard feelings, i consider you and alfalfa to be friends, fellow travelers).

oh wow such an intrested person, science must he his number one priority

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care?

ah u dont care what others think of u, confidence? why do you feel the need of telling us that? could it be that u had this realisation and now trying here to show off your personality? lol then u would be ignorant, its kind of a rat trap , thats intresting, one found valuable information but is not able to to get use out of it because he is not on the mentally deep and honest level required to use it


again showing off your psych major stuff , do you like feel you get humiliated by science?
i see you falling into the same traps again, u try to judge me, u cant do that bro :/

talking about stuff from humans : / sorry that has no worth to my type of science, people step into the foodsteps from people before them without questioning it : /
u talkin of stereotypes : / those have no use either, science is very picky theese days

i seek definate answers yes, that does not mean i will ignorantly ignore certain aspects i see in this life, i have a formd a grounded view from what i perceive in this world i find myself suddenly in

with mentally ill i mean that people do stuff which hurts their own system, i do apologize for i am not very familiar with ur human words

maybe you should go in the woods all by your self and live there for a year, create your own perspectives and your own opinions and analysis and systems and ideas, getting free from the worlds controling stereotypes and thinking structures

please, ask around the forum.  ask them if personalreality is an uptight, mild mannered, tight-lipped kind of guy.

in fact, i use a similar technique to alfalfa when speaking to people here.  i'm often rather blunt, some might even say cavalier with my statements.  this isn't the problem.

the problem is that this is forum about astral projection and little else.  we are here to share experiences, discuss technique and to some extent speculate on the nature of such experiences.  this is not what you or your buddy are doing.  you are not contributing to the community, you are not sharing personal experiences, you are not speculating on the nature of such phenomena from personal experience.  both of you have done nothing but preach the "good word", telling us how ego driven we all are and how chances are we are making all this up to soothe our repressed egos.  you're both full of $hit.  i'm a psychology major and I can tell you right now that you are throwing words around like you have any idea what you're talking about.  do you even understand what an ego is?  the ego is the result of tension between natural instincts and the demands of society (id and superego respectively).  EVERYONE has an ego, you would crumble into psychosis if you didn't.  the goal isn't to be rid of the ego, it is the cleanse the ego and find the proper balance between id and superego, which can only be done through the ego.  you're talking out of your butt about new age concepts that you obviously disapprove of, and i don't disagree.  but this isn't the place for your ranting and illumination.  we don't care, we don't want to hear it.  why can't both of you get it through your heads that you're not doing anything here but getting in the way of our growth and development.  you're not opening any eyes, you're not providing us with the great revelation that bring us to enlightenment.  the babbling crap that you are spouting is something i came upon all on my own when i was in high school, over 10 years ago.  i learned that knowledge, assimilated it and moved on to practice.  once upon a time i too felt it necessary to try to open the eyes of the zombies, to try to wake them all up, but it's not my responsibility.  they will find their truth when they are ready.  beyond that, it's none of my fuc*ing business what people do and neither is it yours.

bottom line, we are trying to do something here that is important to us and you're just trying to sh*t all over us for no apparent reason other than you think you know something that we don't and you are trying your damnedest to make sure we see the light.

well, let me enlighten you for a change, the light has been seen, thank you for your help, move on.

oh wow thank you for that insight into your personality, i am guna go ahead and analyse you, yes , analysing is not topic of this forum but i have deep urges to do science, if you look at the topic start you see that i try to stay on topic, the conversation got led to another aspects because you people feel emotions

you do not seem like a mannerd person to me because you use things to get authority like saying your big psychologist and stuff
i kinda feel pitty that u so hard want to talk about yourself, those 2 first sentences causes pitty, i will follow the science so this might sounds like its hurting you , but you are an unimportant person, a test object, science is many people
i do not share experiences because i dont think that i experience somethinig from worth, im just dreaming about sexy girls lol
i will share my experience if it will do good for science, but untill then i have other intresting topics about out of body experiences
you talking with generalisations about me, you form judgements based on unstable logic, your judgements are to no worth to me, yes we maybe have different definitions of ego, i can explain u what i understand under it
i did something wrong in my logic, now someone tells me that, but i say that i did not use wrong logic because i want to be a good human makeing right things, but there i become ignorant
i see you are very confused
yes i am not smart enough to teach you, i will try to improve my teaching skills to make you understand more easily
you feel this emotion where you give up on people, you can have many reasons to why you want to help a person, i for my behalf am intrested in science, it is like one hand washes the other situaion, i too felt this emotion of giving up on zeh zombies, but rly you cant say that in general, it depends on your reasoning, do you want to live in an enviroment which you prefer? how strong u want to live in that enviroment u dreaming of? or do you think one should never try and help another person? because one never can know the right answers? i on my behalf have been teached by my idol d3nd3, and it was very nice of him for enlightening me and i will be thankfull for the rest of eternity

what can i say : / .. you would have to go back to when you created the judgement of me wanting to shush you and analyse again, if you do, tell us your travel in the past , the root of your emotion, ... for science

love & peace
alfalfa

quit with the "make them think questions".

i posted it so that you might understand how i perceived yourself and your buddy.

also so that you might understand why what you're doing isn't what this forum is for, which makes you trolls.

it doesn't really matter much, but if you two were serious about having legit conversations with the members of the forum, i wanted you to participate.  but you refuse to tone it down and share honest opinions about the topics in this forum.  that's pretty much it.  i'd love for you both to stick around and share what you know, but you're not interested in much else than preaching your truth.  which is really what we're all doing in a way, but we try to be open to sharing truths, not just oppressing others with them.

and i would like you to stop assuming that you know who i am.  i'm quite aware of my emotional balance, i don't need your help.  though i thank you for your concern friend.

oh , a new post,
thank you for telling us how you perceive, you are helping science with your brave step
i am in general a very honest person, if you want to help me u need to show me a situation where u think i am not honest
oh well preaching blabla , we have that coverd, it is probably ur confusion which makes you think that, i am very carefull about what i tell others, but anyway , if ur intend is really to help us, show me zeh situations

oh my , i found intresting
you belive that i am oppressing my opinions on others, there it is obviouse to see that i talk in "?" and "maybe" ' s^^
but yet you belive it, so maybe (!) you cannot accept that i talk about a logic here which goes against yours, so there ur ego comes in place and creates ignorance aroud u?
it would explain why you so determined to tell us your judgements and beliefs
who knows who knows (!)
i am doeing it for science, analysing... nothing opinionated and opressing

i never assumed that i know who you are, i merely analyse your behavior

ok now!
PEACE AAAND LOVE!
alfalfa

And now you resort to name calling... *sigh*
How sad for you.

If you were being honest, we could has assisted you in learning to expand your mind... but it's clear that you've closed it off completely.
I pity you, however I do wish you nothing but the best in the rest of your life...

i do not resort to name calling, i resort to emotion
so what is your reasoning behind saying that my mind is closed?
i pity you too, but im not telling you that because it hurts you, here i say it because you dont understand the deepness to theese 3 words
what would you suggest for me to open my mind? really i thought i was open minded but if you think not , i will pay attention to that

no problem, it is for the good of xanth and for science..

oh man this feels like childhood grudges lol, HE STOLE MY LOLIPOP!

Removed profanity ~Xanth

so got drunk couple nights ago, got to talking and what do you know religion comes up. that's all fine and dandy till i open my mouth about obe's and aps, remote viewing ect... and two of the people in the room instantly thought i was insane or being controlled by the devil.. SO i laughed really hard LOL right... I said the devil, i don't believe in a devil, demons, ect.. but i do believe in higher beings and planes and what not. so as i was talking this person pulls a bible out of no were and hits me with it.... WTF what is wrong with people that believe in the bible Jesus and what not.

HAHA not in any part of our convo did i say anything bad about the bible and the christian religion. i was just telling them about some of the benefits of what we do and how that is my type of religion. to end the story with a bang. i got kinda mad and said some hurtfull things about how Christians are evil because they don't accept, they just force there ways on people. bad thing to say i guess the girl pulled out mace and maced me, so in short first rule of AP. we don't talk about AP. Second rule we don't talk about AP. if some one asks why just reply with it will get you hit with a bible and then with mace in the face... got to love people who cant accept things for what they truly are hahaha.

"for what they truly are"? you cant show me evidence to why they are like that can u? and then u go to people and preach? maybe they dont want to belief something some dude tells them in a bar? they have a right to belief whatever they want, from their perspective you are wrong, and you cant accept that because of your ego? you need to control their mind into thinking your right so you get the comfort u seek?

ah now i feel like u thinking u so cool talking about me but not to me, blabla feed trolls, this is very intresting
you like join together to try to increase the effect of your words
you seem like children to me?
hmmmm because u cant reason?
ye you seem to have lost your logic there and u dont wanna give up beeing tough boys

but then how can so many people have such experiences?
it cant be that they are all naive, i dont think they are, you are just one of them, u cant talk for all of them
(haha yes i make your head blow because you assume i am takeing sites)

maybe they are all naive? and naivity drives them to have such beliefs?

I'm still waiting for the value (valuable?) contributions.

maybe you should stop waiting and start seeking then?

perhaps i should be more aware of my tone. 

you misunderstand my intention.

you are beyond your right in forcing your social experiments on others.

i'm a solitary person, but even i recognize the importance of community.

i find the world and it's inhabitants abhorrent in so many ways.  but individually, people have personal history, they have a life story.  each one of us, even you, have meaning.  i can't disregard the feelings of one because i dislike the whole.

let it be clear that beyond what i perceive as a transgression on the will of your fellow humans, i have no ill will toward you.

i did not intend to claim authority, merely a serious suggestion.  i have no authority other than what you give me.

oh your on to something with that life histroy, do you see the uselessness of judgeing an individual?
there i kinda feel like pointing out that i never judged a person in this topic, there i have been holding back, i only ask questions and look at reactions, i never claim that i am correct with my assumptions, i merely ask questions, ... for science :P (allways say that now cuz i played portal 2 lol)
so now i ask you how you come to the conclusion that i enforce something on someone?
oh man you make it seem like im a devil 

again, it is pure logic that i am contributing value information
i see raw accusations but nothing behind it
smart-butt? yes my boy, i am a very smart person, it is nothing to be amazed of, there are many smart people in the world , you should let them talk once in a while and stop that childish ban ban ban, i am here to reason with you about anything and i am open to critics and i take them seriouse and will change if i validate them, but so far i dont see any problem in my deeds

i said this to your partner in crime, be aware of your tone.

myself and others have seen little except you and your friend harassing people for trying to achieve something.

look at the title of this post, "you are mentally ill?"

i can understand poor translation, but even if you meant "are you mentally ill?", you're still accusing members of being psychologically disturbed, needy and little more than children who can't control their ego and pride.  unnecessary.  the same point can be made without attack.

i don't even disagree with most of your posts, i disagree with your delivery.  you're rude and that turns people off.  even in your replies, supposedly trying to clear up a misunderstanding of intent, you still hold your nose to the sky and continue accusing. 

i don't want you to make your statements all "shiny and magical", i would prefer that you didn't. 

srsly wtf u want to like use authority with that "be aware of your tone?" why do you feel like u need to raise ur voice? u should back down and apologize like a man
yes i look at the title, it tells you that i am looking at some possibilitys which you would not like to be true, but i am not accusing, merely asking a question , why you jump out of the bushes and point the finger at me? just leave me alone and let me do my analysing

i said this to your partner in crime, be aware of your tone.

myself and others have seen little except you and your friend harassing people for trying to achieve something.

look at the title of this post, "you are mentally ill?"

i can understand poor translation, but even if you meant "are you mentally ill?", you're still accusing members of being psychologically disturbed, needy and little more than children who can't control their ego and pride.  unnecessary.  the same point can be made without attack.

i don't even disagree with most of your posts, i disagree with your delivery.  you're rude and that turns people off.  even in your replies, supposedly trying to clear up a misunderstanding of intent, you still hold your nose to the sky and continue accusing.  

i don't want you to make your statements all "shiny and magical", i would prefer that you didn't.  

im asking a question, its the topic of this topic
i disagree with your understandment
and i am very aware of my tone but thank you

you feel attacked by my very direct way of acting, you can assume that one would do that because they dont accept that other people have different views

so really i am rather testing you, funny little tests, ... for science
i am trying to understand the way the brain is working and so i analyse peoples reactions

really i am a neutral person and you cant really judge me the way you would love to because i am not that person, you cannot define me with such silly statements

I'm also complaining about both of them "officially".  I haven't seen anything of any value except insults and amused contempt.
So, *thumbs down* , FWTW.

oh man i bet u have enough votes now to ban me oh boy oh boy!

so really if you dont think it is from value that i come across the topic of why people think they are out of body... why u here then? it is a fundamental question and should be analysed, even more if you are like me trying to understand the human brain

dont worry, i wont feel demoralized by your silly attempts of trying to make me think what i have to give is not from worth
i will keep up the good analyseing

i have nothing to give but love
best regards
alfalfa

here i been analysing the problem that people maybe make up stuff to be special

you didn't offend or upset me personally in any way.

i'm just tired of you.  i'm bored by you.

since i noticed you posting, I haven't seen anything legit contribution to any topic on the forum.  all you've posted is your mission statement for the 'clan of idiots who regurgitate cliche knowledge that we all already learned when we watched the Matrix'. 

if you want to be an actual member of this forum and not just a sideshow act then do it.  otherwise leave because your song and dance lost its novelty after the first post. 

that's all.

why am i tireing u? mb if u dont like my posts... dont read them? i am trying to contribute deep knowledge of why things maybe happening, just because it is not all magical and shiny, rather something simple you create such accusations? i am trying to find out the truth, to do this you also have to dig and the dirty spots, i dont understand what u mean with mission? clan of idiots?. .. .? sorry not ringing a bell, mb u can tell me the topic which u talk about?

you may choose a different arena for you ego blathering, but you're no different alfalfa.  an annoying moron who spouts off at the mouth because s/he thinks they know more than someone else.  i just don't understand why you don't see how what you do is identical to what you are denouncing.

if i were mod you'd be banned by now, perhaps i can campaign to get it done.

oh you seem very upset about me, may i ask why?
are you confused? , i think that because u make assumptions and judgements about me, is there reasoning to why u say that? firstly i never claimd to not have problems or even suffer from the very same thing i am describing, why do you get up and make urself the work? thats kinda off topic no? u should maybe send me a private message with your foxy opinions

t.l., d.r. (I'm sorry.  )

btw: alfalfa = d3nd3 --> bored troll, Randi disciple and multi-account faker 

d3nd3 is a close friend of mine, thanks for the flowers, i take it as compliment if u say i am like him because he is my idol

"other stuff"?

This is the very off-topic section of the forums... you're relatively free to discuss almost anything you want here, as long as it's not harassing/demeaning or anything else negative towards the forum or other members.
 
On the rest of the forum, please try to remain on-topic as much as possible.

Thanks. 

ok dude

I can definitely talk to Stookie about it.  ^_~

If enough people complain.  LoL  >_>

oh yes , if too many people complain about me you should definately do that , maybe then i will learn not to cause so much trouble

we allowed it long enough.

i'm getting bored with alfalfa and his/her companion (or other name).

but im giving you great show : , ( why u dont appreciate? maybe tell me what you like or dislike so i can make the next show more for your taste
btw, i think u rock! so i hope i can calm your negative feelings towards me

The guy's a joke. I don't mind him been on here though, he's actually making me laugh with with narrow mindedness, and his childish retorts do nothing else but make him look rather stupid. 

i am glad that i can atleast bring you to some laughters
do you mind me explaining why u think im narrow minded and childish? and stupid?i am very eager to learn out of your observations
i allways like criticizm , i welcome it very much so dont mind sending me message or something
there is nothing but a good argument to get those brain cells working^^

I've personally never felt a sense of superiority by sharing my experiences on this website, hell in the time I've been a member of this website I've only had four experiences I can honestly say were projections, maybe a few more but if there's room for doubt in my mind i don't count it as a genuine experience, I have managed to have two of my projections verified, which i'm very proud of. I suggest you research OOB/NDE phenomena, there's a lot of compelling evidence out there if you're prepared to look for it. I can cite some sources if you want, but that's up to you.

No one's better than anyone, we're all aspects of the same consciousness.

ok the best comment since long!!! i am very very very very intrested in that evidence u talk about
also i will check out the OOB/NDE phenomena
i very welcome your sources, u can write me message or add me in skype, my nick name in skype is d3cammy
haha if i find out that i can get evidence while sitting on my lazy butt i will so start takeing this obe stuff seriouse, i will do nothing else !! haha




i hope i didnt upset too many people here^^ maybe u can take it with humor like i intended it
best regards
alfalfa

hm i duno, had lucid dream about several minutes yesterday, that was kinda new to me
found out that i get lucid when i see sexy girls in my dream, because i want to bonk them it wakes me up

you can help me by makeing me dream about sexy girls mb 
if you want to put effort in helping me u can add me in skype and have conversation with me
but i think i rather focus on other stuff, this is just little topic when im borred or when im asleep

None of these theories are crazy, some are even scientifically based. Many people here are rational, but not the kind of rational that you understand. It is a "thinking-out-of-the-box" rationality, which is not shared or understood by left-brain materialists - like you. Try to see the bigger picture, try to gain a holistic view and you will understand. As long as you don't try, you will not understand most people on this forum. You see only a narrow-minded little picture and the dogma dictated to you by the 'mainstream' and people you call 'scientists'.
And why always indirectly insulting people who share their experiences here? Isn't it rather YOU that wants to feel great here?
My suggestion: if YOU want to feel so ego-boosted and great (and I guess that's the case here) why don't you go back to where obviously you came from? I guess it was a James Randi forum or any 'skeptics society' or any similar 'club'? There you will find a lot of like-minded "little-picture-rational" people and many will applaud your views there. Then your ego will feel great. It seems (unlike most people here) that YOU really need this.

ok this person right here seems to feel attacked by my post, is he ashamed? did my post hit in the black? why else would he feel attacked? i even talked in a very powerless way, still he feels attacked and comes here to throw around with his opinions and assumptions
this worrys me because it is carrying my idea on
this talk here does not matter much anyway, yes just experience it! here u can just have a bit fun talkin with others about a topic
yes people are pushing themselves to be good humans with this topic, but that doesnt mean that it doesnt exist, it doesnt mean they created this because of it, not all people do this and still they here

so i will keep researching and trying as hard as allways to have an obe, still since i have so much fun useing my logic and my thoughts to talk to you people  i will probably create more topics
we can learn alot if we think and use logic here, thats really nice, its a nice place for learning by doeing

so admins please dont ban me, the type of person i acted here today was not me, i did it because it seemd people like to see such types of personalitys because then they can be released that they are not like this and feel good

i wish you a great day, i hope you enjoyed the show
Till next time!
best regards
alfalfa

Dont feed the trolls....

there u feeding me right there and now, thank you mr.hypocrite

lol wtf astral, you reall enjoy sarkasm and stuff dont u xD

i on the other hand despite it, its just to show off and talk big...
why twirl your words around? you dont want to be understood? because if people think "oh man i cant understand him" u like think ur so cool for talking difficult? ur not ...

oh man lol u so low
wanting to be a bad butt and so cool knowing all the stuff without really putting effort in it, just useing sarkasm and tricks lol xD

Alfalfa I never read most of the posts in this thread because i am in kind of a rush. I dunno wether your just a hater about to start trouble or wether you are about to give us some constructive critism but anyways here is a reply to the question you asked.

Firstly, maybe some people have nt projected and there just full of excrement but i guarantee more than half the people online has had genuine astral projection experiences. I have been mentioning this a lot lately but for the sake of your ignorance i ll mention it again............... in the opening chapter of one of monroes books he says that the layman will soon realise to keep these experiences to himself in order to prevent grieve from people just like you or from been considered mentally ill. so you see in everyday life there is not many people who will openly have a conversation about this. I read a recent post on here about a guy getting maced because of conversing about this and hey even if they did decide to converse with us regarding projection they probally would not know much about it because they have nt experienced it. so here is a great place for us because we can ask questions and get good answers and share stories about our experinces with like minded people.

Now then mr psychologist lad trying to analysis all of us why dont you tell us why you are on this site filled with as you stated "mentally ill people with ego centric pertsonalities who think there special" . why do you wanna be in a forum of bullshittters? Why you reading these posts if there bovine excrement? from just reading your posts i see that your saying we think were special . just like transanctional anyalsis ..am not ok, your ok blah blah bblah but the fact that your moaning on about this goes to show that you want to be special. your the guy grieving us because you think we think were special when you want to be special

secondly.....if you never meant this post offensive then i am sorry for seeming offensive towards you but if you are just been a twat then go fuk yourself

take care

i am here to cause trouble and insult others, i see you are too nice to meet you
oh man u dont read my posts, thats not fair, i am the second most intelligent person posting here on the forum
yes i wont allow you to have conversations here too, someone needs to do the job and get u nutcakes under control

Alfalfa... If you hate it here so much then get the hell out? Why spend so much time on a message board on a topic of which you claim to not believe?

ok , im really really sorry 

oh it hurts so much astral, u hurt me so much with ur words 

oh man im really sorry : (