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My goodness, this is turning out to be more troublesome than I thought. Waking myself up all the time to figure out my time frame when I experience the feeling I posted about early before is having a huge toll on me because I keep disrupting my sleep...

Saddest part is I havn't been able to find that state I posted about earlier, where I was so groggy that I could fall asleep in 10 seconds in any position and lucid dream at will. I woke up into that state naturally, although I have no idea how. So waking myself up on purpose feels counter intuitive. The only other time I can recall waking up naturally in a state of extreme groggyness was that one instance 2 years ago where I fell from that state into my first and only sleep parlaysis experience.

Now my problem is..I have no idea how to naturally wake up in this state of mind..

Who am I kidding, I don't even have a ball park idea of how to astral project at all

I guess i'll keep at it and see if I make any progress

Continued from my last post

Sadly I neglected to attempt astral projection while I was experimenting with this new state of mental fatigue.

I believe this type of special mental fatigue that allowed me to go to sleep in 10 seconds and lucid dream at will was brought on by waking up at such an odd time of the night, disrupting my sleep pattern.

The plan now is to figure out exactly when I need to wake up to experience this type of mental fatigue and attempt astral projection from there. For the next few weeks I will experiment by setting an alarm clock to wake me up at different times during the night in an attempt to figure out when this magic moment is, and will get back to you guys on any successes or failures.

Update- Last night I had a huge lucky breakthrough completely by accident that has given me a huge amount of insight into how I may need to actually go about astral projection.

Here is pretty much what happened.

Normally when I go to sleep at the end of the day, it takes me a couple of minutes for me to fall asleep.Usually I can only ever fall asleep on my stomach, no matter how hard I try any other way does not work. No matter how mentally or physically tired I am, it usually still takes a couple of minutes for me to actually fall asleep after getting comfortable in a quiet room.

Until now, that level of  mental relaxation that I feel at the end of the day that allows me to feel sleepy enough to fall asleep has been the ball park estimate of how tired I attempted to become through my exercises before beginning to astral project.

This particular day I woke up very late, and took 1 melatonin pill at 11:00 p.m to help me sleep because i always get great refreshing sleep from it. I take melatonin every so often.


Here is what happened.  

I ended up waking up while it was still dark out. * Sadly I neglected to look at what time it was. I estimate around 2-3 a.m*

When I woke up, I felt this new type of mental fatigue that I had never felt before. This mental fatigue was extremely distinct and totally different from what I was used to feeling.

I discovered that with this mental fatigue, I could fall asleep in any position I wanted in less than 10 seconds. It felt like I was drugged. After forcing myself awake I discovered I could fall asleep again just as quickly even with experimental distractions such as leaving the light to my room on or blasting music or a combination of those while being in very uncomfortable sleeping positions for me, it made no difference.  

Because the transition to sleep happened so blindingly fast, I was able to stay mentally aware during the entire process of me going to sleep.

Thats not all. While I was going to sleep I found that all I had to do was imagine any scene I wanted in my head and in those 10 seconds I would fall asleep and my dream would become lucid. It would go something like this.

1.Close eyes for 5 seconds, imagining a particular enviornment or scene in my head
2.Feel body paralyze
3.10 seconds in the scene becomes extremely vivid to the point of it being like it appears I am staring at a photo
4.I can now walk around in this scene as a lucid dream

I was able to wake myself up on purpose so in this way I would keep waking up and going back to sleep to experiment with this. I ended up having 7 lucid dreams each being about exactly what I wanted them to be about with each dream lasting as long as I wanted.


Continued in my next post

Thanks the breader and boom, i'll try again tonight and apply what you've taught me. Hopefully i'll get a little closer to astral projecting this time haha.

One thing thats really confusing me is how to look at the blackness in front of me.

I try focusing hard on it in front of me, I try manually relaxing my face while focusing hard. I try not  focusing on looking at it but being aware that its there. I try not looking at it and distracting myself with mental images so i'm not aware or interested in the black in front of me. I try controlling my breathing, I try letting my breathing do whatever it wants while I just let myself naturally relax without thinking about it. I try looking straight up with my eyes closed. I try looking straight ahead with my eyes closed. Etc until the end of time

I just don't know what the right thing to do is lol.

Thanks for the response! I will definetly try what you said tonight and read the guides on the forums about it to get a better understanding.


As far as relaxing goes, its really interesting.

I'll get on my back, close my eyes and breathe in and exhale for one and go like this

1-10
Then backwards to 10 to 2
Then 2 to 10 and 10 to 3 etc.
I really try to feel for deeper relaxation, at least.. I think i'm getting more relaxed. But after a certain point even after 2 hours of doing this my state just doesn't deepen or change.. even if i'm thinking of nothing, Its like this.. middle ground of relaxation. The furthest I get is my limbs become numb, and my brain just doesn't think about anything.

This happens even if I try to do so at 2 a.m in the morning. I've had some interesting experiences but nothing major so far.

The closest experience to this would have to be the night where my whole body started tingling and it was really warm, but I wasn't asleep when this was happening, I know that for a fact. My heart rate was going up and my body felt stressed, didn't know what that was.

Its funny because as unexhausted as I feel after hours of doing this I just get on my belly and fall asleep in 5 minutes LOL.

Sorry if i'm a bit all over the place with my explanations and posts, haha.   

Hello everyone!

For the last 6 months, learning how to astral project has been a solid project for me that I am very interested in. However.. I have been unable to learn how to astral project. I havn't gotten into the vibrational state once, and I have never even been able to fall asleep when attempting to astral project. This is very frusterating because I am extremely curious and interested deeply in this and would love more than anything to experience this. I feel like i'm going nowhere fast with this and I need some help learning how to astral project.

Should I even be attempting to astral project on my back? I never sleep this way but everybody seems to be getting on their back to do this.

I just don't know what to feel for.. or how to go about feeling for it.

Its just so weird, I spend hours on my back trying to do this and nothing ever happens. It is an understatment when I say I am extremely discouraged, but I don't want to stop trying.. any help would be graciously apprecaited and I will gladly answer any questions you have about my approach so we can figure out the problems