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Today, I was relaxing and I fell into a sleep state.After a while, I woke up(or I think I did) and was paralyzed.I tried to call for help but all that came out were light breaths.Then I heard this buzzing noise.My body felt as if it were quaking violently.The buzzing tone got louder.I started to focus on the buzzing and the quakings/vibrations got so violent it was painful.Know how you are about to fall asleep and you abruptly wake up, causing a limp to jerk or a muscle to spasm?Imagine 10 of those every second.That's what the quakes were like.Know how in a nightmare you have this scary feeling even if there is nothing there...or like anything can be scary(like a little matchbox car).I had that feeling throughout the whole experience.Eventually the quakes got so painful/scary I got a leg to move and snapped out of it.Am I close to getting out?I'm starting to fear for my health now...[V]

OMG you idiot. Guys have "cycles" too. They just don't menstruate.
Everyone has hormone cycles. Think males have it good because they don't menstruate? How about feeling like your crotch is being removed with a hacksaw for a few days? That's no fun either. OBE has nothing to do with gender. OBE concerns the brain, not the crotch. Female and Male brains are the EXACT SAME, besides hormonal functions, which have similar/same results anyway. We ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS. You genderists just don't stop with your crap, will you!

Ok, look. Stop with the bulls**t. Women and men have the same intelligience. Same side of brain is used. Same strength. STOP WITH THIS GENDERIST BULLS**T. We are all human beings folks. Women TEND to be a little more interested in psychic phenomenon because society has made it so. It doesn't matter. If you took 100 men and 100 women and asked them if they had an OBE and whether or not they were interested, it would average out at about the same.

cool. I wish I could meditate that good. Sounds like past lives, but I dunno. I've had weirder. Anyway, really cool.

There's nothing wrong with that. Humans are a very horny species and that is natural. We weren't designed with marriage in mind. We aren't swans. We are more like dogs than swans. It would be fairly difficult to stop this type of situation, because you would have to learn to shut off your instincts and emotions, and that's not very healthy anyhow(I have had bad consequences). All those emotions and spiritual feelings are a bunch of crap our brain spits out to encourage us to reproduce. If sex was painful, we wouldn't have such a huge population. So, just be glad you still share some connection with this person. Unless this is hurting her somehow, it's absolutely fine. And Mr.Lucky? Who says he needs to know. hehe.

Why is this so hard to answer? When your body is asleep your thoughts and imaginations seem real. I thought everyone knew that. Try listening to a song(mentally) while trying to project/lucid dream. The song will get louder and more realistic. Eventually, it should sound like it's coming from a direction, depending on your imagination.

way too fukkin easy. Just set the girl as a new layer and set that layer's opacity low.duh.

It sounds like sleep paralysis to me. This usually goes with nightmares, but sometimes they can be good. It's a deep,vivid form of the hypnogogic state. Either that or you're just a fruitcake...hehe

you people are so gullable.Beavis has a good point, believe it or not.
If the walls are bright because of the camera flash, then why are they the same shade as the 'thing?' Also, I think there would be a bit more of a shiny spot on the TV if the walls were that bright because of the camera.

I did some tests, too. I can't pinpoint the plugin, but it appears they(whoever probably faked pic) used photoshop6 or 7. It looks very fake to me and I even used to have a plugin that could blur layers  in the pic to make it look real from a retro camera.It even had choices of 60's,70's, and 80's lol. The "entity" appears to be giving off a glow to the room in the same shade, a definite plugin sign.
Anyway, that's my part.Maybe real maybe not...probably chance (90%)  it's not.

[Theoretically]

Theoretically, when someone is asleep/meditating/pre-projecting/etc another projector could wake-up their astral form.People have been known to go into other people's dreams during projecting, so I don't see why this wouldn't be possible.This is not the only reason you would want to telepathically scream though.The screaming may cause you to get deeper in meditation, more connected with your brain than your body...telepathy is mental after all.To project, I would suggest a number of things if just sitting there doesn't work.Seeing an object above you and grabbing it, yanking yourself out is a great technique.Or you could just try feeling lighter and lighter, if that is what your are good at.

I know all that.And don't worry,I'm a psion...so my "chakra's"/nervous clusters are just fine.I do grounding/centering(visualizations, I don't believe I'm actually getting energy FROM the Earth, just resetting my nerves), that kinda stuff.So I'm just the same as you guys.I just don't refer to the stuff as "qi/chi/ki/ chakra..etc" because the 'recent' majority of spritual people are reading false, non-scientific(DBZ!) info that isn't "interpreted" ancient history.I just don't want to be associated with those "DBZ" people.I even know someone who thinks that there is a difference in ki/psi/chi/ki, and he also thinks people can fly, too.The thing is, psi-people tend to think within a SMALL scope of power, thinking hardly anything is possible.So I go both ways, which is why I'm on this forum.Anyway, I just wanted to go ahead and clear any EVIL thoughts about the new scientist, in case he stays on this forum for a while.[8D]

Since astral projection and lucid reams are still debated whether or not they are the same thing, I'd say you were talking to an improvised character of your subconscious, and weren't even looking at the physical world at all.Things similar to that occur often in my dreams.

BAh, I don't do any of that chakra mumbo jumbo.People keep telling me the same thing, that I'm not getting anywhere because of it...but I always complete my goal and prove them wrong.You see, beliefs are just support or mind blocks.To most people, being spiritualist helps them, but it doesn't mean the spiritual stuff is real.I went the scientific and skeptic way, but I'm doing just fine so far.Just because my brain interprets certain signals as quakes, doesn't mean there is an Earth element.Anyway, I'm getting better at falling asleep, so I'll be able to go into the pre-obe state whenever I want, then I'll be able to figure out how to fix this quake problem some people have(unless someone else does it first,of course).Oh and I found out that BWGEN presets were the things that seemed to cause me to have vibe states after I stopped listening to them for a while and fell asleep.And the pain?These vibe states only last a few seconds so far, so I dunno what happens to the sensations after I stay in the state for a while.I keep getting scared and come out of it.I've only gone into the state a few times,anyway,
so I have a good chance of getting over it so far.Also, I wonder if heavier vibes are required for getting out(for us anyway)?Have you projected yet?

I think the best thing to do is not to try to hard.No one ever gets exactly what they want(proven science fact.) So don't want it...just do it.Just get more and more sleepy while trying to stay conscious.After you fall asleep for a while,out of habit- a tiny part of your conscious mind will not give up.You will wake up in a mildly paralysed-like state.Then, you should be able to get the "symptoms" of OBE.

Ceriel,I'm a brown eyed black haired german/austrian(descendent of the royal family of "Hohenzuleran" or something, but not royal anymore cause hitler killed them), if that helps you know of any connection or anything[] .Well, this pain isn't like a stinging or sharp or biting sensation.Nothing like that.It's more of a pressure as the quakes happen.Kinda like a sudden full body migraine I guess.I should learn to cope with it after a while.buzzing noise after ob? man, I hope I learn to get rid of that if it stays with me.I wonder if I focus on the buzzing/vibes long enough I will be shot out of my body like some people say...

1/2 hour?Keep practicing.You're not as relaxed as you may think.I sure wasn't.Just relax until you can hear sudden loud noises(pre-dream state).Then focus on doing the obe.I have yet to achieve projection, but I can get into the vibe/buzz state within 10 min that way.Once you practice enough, your face won't twitch.My muscles twitch too until my body falls asleep.

I don't  think my physical body moves at all during this state of humming/buzzing/quakingness,except for the required stuff of course.Brow eyes? I'm afraid I don't know what that is.BTW,do you get scary feelings during pre-obe(or astral whatever) as well?Today was the second state like this I've had.The last time, I half-woke up from a bunch of nightmares(41 i think) and my mind was showing me scenes from each one when the buzzing noise came up.Then, a horror movie background noise/tone sound came about and scared me half to death.The quakes happened too, but not so intense.Oh well, even with all the stuff that goes on, I'm gonna try it again t'night.Now that I can fall asleep(I am an insomniac), maybe I'll be able to project soon.I hope it's worth it.[8D] BTW, thanks for the input too.