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I'm out of here, not OBE, but OHE....i've got enough of some people on this forum such as skymageinfinity

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Joachim,

My approach is not as material as it is realistic, and let me explain it with facts. From your web site I know some of your biography and the best way I can explain myself is that for example war and awfull realities of the PHYSICAL world is affecting us more than anything else on this planet, even if the way it affects us is by making us more spiritual. It is our interaction with the physical world (and most often our suffering) that makes us what we are today, you as well as me. It is the physical world and the way we live in it and the way we interact with it that makes us what we are spiritualy. And it is that physical reality that I invite every body to challange. It is by acting in the physical that people can restrain me from the basic interaction that we have with the world which is LIFE. The basic interaction of us with the physical is LIFE in itself and my phylosophy is to preserve LIFE in all its form, whether it is biological or consciousness.

In hebrew each letter has a numeral value starting with a=1, and then
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 20 , 30, 40, 50, 60 , 70, 80, 90,
100, 200, 300, 400 ==> the last letter of the hebrew alphabet.

So when one writes a name in hebrew, one can find its numerical value. That's all. It is called Gematria and it is a part of Kaballah.

thanks Ceriel for that, very nice indeed. However, it is originating only from the Hebrew tradition. I guess the greeks and the Latins came much later.

Hi Jo-Wo,

As I already answered you and already some feed back to you I will be short. My main concern was that I wanted to find out whether you had "tangible" scientific (rational) proofs of your theory. I understood that your theory has a "spiritual" fundation and therefore cannot be proven to be true (nor refuted). That's all. I was just wondering if there was any "physical" reality behind your book and ideas and the only realities are the subjectif ones - spirituality. As I wrote previously the only PROOF that I have that I am alive and have a consciousness is by interacting with the PHYSICAl world, such as for example writting a answer to you here on this forum. If it was not for me interacting with the physcial world I would not be able to find out I am even alive! This is all what it is about, our body interacts with the physical world, this is how you all KNOW what you know, even the basic fact that you "think" is from there. That is my point and the way I view the world. Any other reality that is beyond the physical and that cannot be proven in the physical does not exist for me.

Well J,

that's a dream! I wish I could have such dreams and remember them...
Dreams are usually weird, at least when you manage to remember them in details. From what you wrote, and what you wrote about how you see your dream, and from the dream itself, it could certainly be that it is related to your search in quest of Spirituality/OBE. Then the folk in black in your dream are us, the other people on the forum. The two girls acompanying you could be (maybe) two persons in your life or even on this forum,... or (?) just a reminder from your deep self that female friends are also important and not only the quest of the OBE. Your apparent larger size is maybe how you see yourself, or it could be again a message telling you that your body matters not less than your "spirituality". Then you go in search of something that has been hidden, burried, but interestingly enough eventually it is just a door with "exit" on it...? The burried thing is probably the OBE itself for which we all reach for here on this forum. A red note in a drawer tells you where it is... Red is the color for blood, for love, for war, ... not sure what to tell you about that, but sure it means that this  little piece of paper is important and you knew where to find it...? This might represent the instruction on this forum on how to OBE for example, or again a message telling you that love (red) is important? and not only OBE. Next thing, a bunch of people who stopped and are watching a guy practicing Tai-Chi or what so ever... again that could be all of us in admiration of Bruce... And you just step there, without fear and respect, you just need to reach for the 'exit'. So, it seems that the message now became that you are not interested in the show, but rather you want to get out of it. Again maybe it means that your personnal interst deep in you is not OBE but more practical/physical matter, telling you to exit the forum. Then you fight the  guy there (as if you were a pro in kick-boxing; are you?), but then you get shot by two. That could represent the fact that you were not able to OBE. You tried to OBE, in the dream you fight that guy - your struggle to OBE. But after 2 months you failed, represented in the dream by 2 guys  shooting at you. NEst you die, that a good way to OBE, so you do it. Then the next scene is the same actually: the old person dressed in blue with a silver ball is again the spirituality/OBE you tried to reach, and this is best symbolized when that guy throws the silver ball, and the failure to OBE is represented here by the ball bouncing off the wall, thing that you did not expect. In your dream also you wanted to reach the exit and "did not have time for this" might mean that you are a bit too fast and not enough patient. Do not expect to OBE withing just two months. Anyhow, all that just a hint. Only you can decide what means what for your very own self.

Back when I was in school there was a person who would not talk to many people and who obviously looked like keeping some distance from the others. The attitude of that person was difficult for me to understand, as if refusing to make contact with friends. I once noticed that person reading one of the books of Lobsang Rampa (on OBEs) and approached to talk about it. The first reaction that person had was to back up and when I started showing interest in OBEs and that I knew something about it, suddently that person smiled and we became good friends for a while. Even at that time it was unusual for someone to be interested in the occult, astral, etc... Especially at school there are always people (usually in groups) who enjoy making fun of other people when they are a little different. I am sure you can find more than one person in your school who has an interest in the astral and who might understand you. Also, you can just make the astral your hiden hobby (like the witches and wizzards who keep their pratice secret) in that sens that you keep it for you and for this forum, rather than addressing people around you about it. Let me tell you that most of the people I am in contact with about the astral are not next to me. They are most of them on the internet. All the people around me, and the closest ones (family) are not "open" to these things (except maybe for one).

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People you know turning into zombies in your dreams... it would be very difficult to explain as everyone has dreams that are very personal. My best guest would be that people you know turning into zombies would represent that you have the feeling that you cannot "reach" these people, you cannot get "to know them", as if for you they are zombies. That would point toward a problem of understanding between you and these people. It could also be that you feel that these people around you do not understand you and you feel like a stranger. Or it could mean that you feel that people around you are not nice with you and are tyring to hurt you. It is very dificult to say more, as one would need to know every dream where the zombies have appeared and then one would need to know you a little more than on a forum to be able to tell.

Thanks Joachim,

for your prompt reply.
What I found in your introduction reminds me of the Near Death Experience, and as such can explain many religions and believe systems, since people have had NDE for as long as there is (human) life on this planet. Whether it is the study subject of Adrian, or just the common monoteistic religions (where God is One), they all agree to a Unification. But this of course does not mean that non-spiritual things (matter) are unified too. Anyhow, may I suggest you to have a look here at http://www.iands.org/ and you will find a lot in common with your spiritual experience. I understand now that your theory is qualitative rather than quantitative. Sorry for putting it under the scrutinity of the exact sciences, while it was rather a philosophical approach (human sciences).

Azaithoth,

as far as numbers are concerned, there is of course the decimal system that we are using today from 1 to 10, the basis of 10 coming obviously from our 10 fingers...

However, concerning different numbers that were used before, and some of which are still in used today, the main ones are 12 and 60. 12 is used to count the hours in the day (12 during day light, 12 during night time) and then 12 months in the year, and 60 seconds in the a minute and 60 minutes in a hour. Where they came from, here it is:

The basis 12 was used in Old Irak, in Mesopothemia, by the Summerians. They are actually responsible for the written language, the religion and the sciences (math, astronomy, etc..).
12 can be divided by 1, 2, 3, and 4 (10 cannot!).
as to 60: it can be divided by 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.
So 12 is the smallest number than can be divided by 1, 2, 3, 4.
and 60 is the smallest number that can be divided by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
This is why the summerians used 12 and 60 as numbers to count things, and especially the time of the day.

Now, as far as the months are concerned, they also originate from Summer, where the year was divided according to the moon. The moon takes 28-29 days to get back to a full moon, or to a new moon, and therefore it was natural to divide the year into lunar months of about 28 days. One can divide the year into 12 such months, then one is left with a few days. Because of that the muslim callendar has hollidays (such as the ramadan - right now) that can fall in any season of the year, since it slightly shifts every year. To remediate to this problem the jewish calendar adds a 13st month every now and then so that the jewish hollidays will always fall in the same season.

As far as the night sky is concerned, the region where the sun moves through the year (the ecliptic) was also (by the summerians at the same period) divided in 12 constellations (not only to match the 12 months, but also because one can easily identify 12 large groups of stars there). Each constellation itself was also divided into 3, so that the Sun, the Moon or the planets would transit into one of the 3 regions of a specific constellation. This division has been kept by the astrologues but not by the astronomers. So the sky was divided into 12x3=36 parts.

So the orgin of all these numbers in Europe is from Summer (present day Irak!), and it was probably imported in one manner or another, or it might just be the natural way both the Summerians and the very Early Europeans divided everything in the way I explained above.

Sure the laws of Physics are the ones that are coming from the results of experiments, of our interaction with the world. And the reality of the world is that same reality that comes from our physical (bodily) interaction with the 3d World.

If the "reality" of the world would be as simple as JW explains it with higher dimensions, then it would be enough to write the equations for these "fundamental" laws of Physics in more than 4 dimensions and obtained from there these "fundamental" laws of physics. But this is not the case. Nobody so far can claim to have solved and found the Grand Unified Theory.

When one observes a very small particle such as an electron in the laboratory experiement (e.g. the double slit interference experiment) then as the observer observes the experiment he/she actually interacts with the particles and alters the results. How can one find out where is the electron? One has to induce the electron to interact with another particle/field in order to find its position.

The same for the fundamental Heisenberg principle. In order to find out about the place of an electron, one has to interact with it, for example by sending a photon to it. This photon will then alter the momentum (velocity) of the electron and therefore makes it more difficult to find the exact velocity of the elctron. From there it is easily obtained that if one knows exactly the position of the electron then one cannot find its momentum with a precision of up to the amount which is given by the incertainty principle. This comes from  the very fact that in order to make an experiment (to find a law) we actually interact with the experiment itself and alter it, since all these happen on the microscopic (quantum) level. The uncertainty comes from the fact that the tools we are using are as small as the particles themselves and therefore the experiment is just innacurate, not becauuse the laws are innacurate but just because of our inability to find better values for (say) the position (x) of the electron and its momentum (p).

It is not that the reality is the quantum physics, but the quantum physics is the best we can do to find about the reality of the world.  

We based all our knowledge on the 3D+time space and universe and Physics, Quantum Physics, and General Relativity to obtain the best picture of the world we can get, from many generations of many great physicists... and then someone comes and claims that this is not the reality. Well if it was not for that reality 3D none of us would be on this forum to write on a computer, as the basic physics that makes the computers is the transistor, based on the quantum tunnelling effect in semi-conductors... So I found very weird that someone can claim that this is not the reality... The reality of the mind is elsewhere, but not the reality of the world/universe. The reality of the mind is completely subjectif and cannot even be proven like the reality of the 3D world. And if there is something I am sure of it is the reality of the 3D world, as I wake up everymorning it is there for sure. My mind however I cannot say the same about it. Of course for OUR mind the world exists only when we look at it and when we interact with it, but it does not mean that it does not exist all by itself too. In fact it looks to me almost the contrary: because I  can interact with the real 3D reality I have found that I have a mind and a consciouness, not the opposite.

If one can proof with mathematical epressions (say conventional scientific proofs) that an unlimited number of dimensions explains the world and can even predict and explain unexplained phenomena, then I will consider this as a proof. Otherwise, I see only pseudo-phylosophical text here that does not proof anything. Especially the reference to the picture taken in 3D and looked up at in 2D does not make any sens to me at all.

Sorry, but I am a rational skeptic person.

Sorry, but I did not find any refereed articles about the theory of Joachim Wolf. On his website I could not find neither what his degree in PHysics was, as it is only written that he studied physics and nothing is mentioned about a possible degree (graduation).

Though I found the idea of holon interesting, I could not figure out how he made the analogy of the slit experiment with the Holon Principle (I think it was HP 11). If to explain the paradoxal duality of elementary particles (wave against particle) was as easy as converting the whole thing into a higher dimension, then physicists would have already obtained the result by writting the equations in (say) 5 dimension (3 space + 1 time + one additional) and "projecting" the equations into the usual 4 dimensional (3 space + 1 time) universe we know. However, this is not the case. There are some theories that require multidimensionality to explain the world, but the number of dimensions is much higher than just 4.

I would be happy to belive in what Joachim Wolf wrote, if he can prove his theory with some analytical expressions, rather than just wording.

I love these dreams (lucid or not) where you are outside and see the sky and the trees, even more when it is night in the dream..! Was there any star in the sky? The moon?

When you wake up volontarily from your dream, it is not especially the "natural" moment for your body to wake up, and that's how you get sleep paralyzed, your body was still in deep sleep I guess.