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Gdo, that's basically the information I wanted to confirm, if one perceive non-physical information through clairuaidence in an "earlike" manner. I'm not sure if you are aware of it, but it is said that clairauidence is a faculty of a throat chakra. I don't know which gland is its physical counterpart, but all chakras have their own faculties and they all have its physical apsects, same as pineal gland is physical aspect of third eye chakra, or pituary gland is a physical aspect of the crown chakra.

Thanks for help.

Astral plane has it's own feel to it and that can be recognized once conscious in the astral. But physical plane is just an extension of the astral, so there are lots of similarities when it comes to lower astral levels and physical plane. Everything from the physical plane has its counterpart in the lower astral planes. That's why we cannot really be sure where we are at any moment unless we do a reality check. Incorporating this kind of checking in ones life will result in becoming more and more conscious in dreams.

It's also a matter of how much consciousness we have here, because the more conscious we are in this world, the more we are over there during sleeping hours. The more we increase our consciousness, the more lucid we are in dreams and the more natural and spontaneous it is to realize that we are dreaming.

Like others have said swallowing is a natural function of the body and with intense focusing you shouldn't notice it. But there is other dowfall to swallowing, and that is that it doesn't allow the body to relax past the certain point, because such muscle contraction takes body out of the trance state. You don't need a trance state to project, though trance has a lot of benefits when it comes to projection.

It's possible to train your body not to swallow at all for a duration of a practice. It's a struggle, no doubt about it, but possible.

It's not the same thing Ryan. There are many different extrasensory perceptions releted to non-visual messages , and they are labeled differently for the sake of understanding. Labels such as intution, telephaty, clairaudience etc. refer to different forms of messages perception. They cannot be put in the same basket.

NoY are you sure what you say is clairaudience? Because there is also a telephatic communication which is different than clairaudience.

What do you mean by "and you will be able to sense voices and actions from all over life via there emotional content"?

Just in case of clarification, by clairaudience I meant the psychic hearing. It basically entails hearing spirits from the astral level that is closest to the physical.

Hello,

Have been wondering about one technical side of clairaudience, so if anyone here has some concrete experiences with it, it would be great to get an insight into it.

Thanks,

Ryan, in essence we do need a body to interact and to experience environment and dimension fully. That's one of the reason why we also have a body in this physical dimension, because being simply a point of consciousness wouldn't allow us to gain thousands of physcial experiences which require a body. Same principle applies for other dimensions.

Light487, "how did I get here" is something I also incorporate in my reality checks. It is definitely very important. One other thing which can be experimented with is kind of always having the sense of wonder in regards to where we are...always being on an "environmental lookout" and see if something is different in our environemt. In dreams things are always different, even if we are always in a familar environment. Something will always be different.

I find that the reason why I see my hands looking out of the ordinary is usually influenced by how conscious I am, but there is also something to astral body looking differently. It looks like better and improved version of physical body.

Bliss, yes, we really can't be sure here we are unless we check.

Jkjk, thanks for the "nose"  tip. I never done that one yet. In regards to hands, in what way do they look different in a dream?

Rudolph, after your last post directed to me, I figured it's pointless to continue further, but I will refer to one more thing you posted there.

You said how you didn't see any changes in people using Samael's method of dying to egos. The elimination Samael taught is based on understanding an ego in fullness and then once this is done, one should direct a petition to one's own Being to eliminate it. This version of technique, in itself, is not beneficial for progress because an ego such as fear for example, has many thousands of manifestation, and it would take a lifetime to understand it fully.

Egos also manifest at every moment, and if one doesn't eliminate them, they just feed and get stronger. Rabolu, his student who raeched mastery, said that none of Samael's students were truly eliminating egos, so he pondered over what Samael meant when he said "we need to die from moment to moment", and realized that one should actually apply elimination every time an ego surface. Then Rabolu's student Belzebuub, who also reached mastery, revolutionized this even more and combined this new version of death from moment to moment, with meditation on an ego. Usually all groups that follow Samael's teachings only do meditation on an ego, and as you may noticed on Glorian forums, people there react very negatively towards Rabolu, Belzebuub and the new version of applying the death (from moment to moment).

If you are interested, you can read more about this and many other points that were raised in this discussion, in Belzebuub's book Secret Knowledge, Hidden Wisdom. The book is now unavailable as a paperback because it will be soon released as a free ebook.

Reality checks are well known among lucid dreaming circles, though many people from those circles are not aware that through this technique they can enter the astral plane. This technique helped me many times to have astral experiences. It consist of doing many checks throughout the day of where you are. So what you can do is....get conscious of where you are, look around you, try to remember when did you went to sleep last time. How do you know you didn't go to sleep just 2 hours ago and that it's not actually a middle of the night? Observe people around you, how do they act? Is there anything strange going on?

Once you closely observe the reality you are in, you do the CHECK. One of good checks that works for me is making a slight jump with intention to float. If you are in the astral you will float if you have intention to float/fly. This can be inconvenient if you are among people, so if you are not alone there is another check you can do and that is pulling your finger with INTENTION to stretch. If you are in the astral, finger will stretch, but again it's important to have this INTENTION to stretch. To have this intention you need to stay open that you could be in the astral any time, and that you don't know if this is or isn't the astral until you do check.

I had so many dreams where I did regular mundane things, being fully sure I'm in the physical. Then when I did the check I did it with assumption that I am in the physical and the check did not worked. So when doing a reality check, it's crucial that you stay open that you could be in the astral. The more checks you do, the more it will get recorded into your subconscious and eventually you will start doing it in the astral.

This way of entering the astral is called "waking up from dreams". In one moment you dream and have dream images around you, and in next you become conscious and dream images dissolve and you start seeing the actual astral reality. However, not always does the dream dissolve. This then means that you are "stuck" in a lucid dream. I find that when I get "stuck" in lucid dream like that, I can always kind of feel my physical body laying on bed. This is a very good sign because the astral body is split from my physical body and all i need to do is move focus to my physical body and just gently get up from bed, or roll out.

Good luck!

Yeah, I know exacty what you mean. It's definitely not a coincidence. I remember when I first start seeing same numbers on clock and start to write them down to see if there are any patterns. I talked to a friend about it and he said that if I will write them down, I will start seeing it even more. Made sense so I stoped paying attention to it for quite some time. But nevertheless it never stops.

What may seem to one to be very strict difficult discipline is for another the simple joy of living on a specific level.  There are levels of acheivement along the Path and there are different tasks and lessons on each level.

Good point gdo. I think it has a lot to do with boundaries which everyone subconsciously set to oneself. Often it's a matter of being conditioned by society, religion etc. when growing up. It's not uncommon that when people pass such boundaries that they are happy that they did, because they see things further and with higher perspective. Similarly how a person who overcomes a fear of astral is happy that they did because they see potential that astral holds for them. Though like you said, being more or less ready is also influenced by past life experiences and some other things.

Hubble's View of the Universe series has some really good music combined with inspiring space images. Here are a couple of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjL_a1Ea1bE&feature=channel_video_title

http://www.youtube.com/user/FunkyJogaBonito#p/u/2/uEkxsieDMr4

http://www.youtube.com/user/FunkyJogaBonito#p/u/4/8Mv-K0OYYJE

Why is the heart chakra by the heart ? Did someone decide to make this up and make the heart chakra that place for love etc ? Since the heart is supposed to be some symbol ? Or is that really the place and it is a coincidence that its by the heart ?

One chakra had to be the place through which love would flow. I don't think it is a coincidence that heart chakra was chosen for that role.

That's too bad then. I am left to conclude that you merely read about this condition somewhere and you took it on faith to be true.

You can conclude whatever you wish to conclude.

He mentioned nothing about refraining from orgasm. Nothing. Not openly or directly, and not even in a vague reference. Those who are trying to claim that orgasm hinders Inner Spiritual Growth need to avoid the subject of Robert Monroe because his work is a glaring refutation of such a claim and is a testimony to how irrelevant orgasms are to Spiritual Growth.

It's pointless to go further with Monroe because you are neglecting all points and hints I mentioned to you, even from those passage you quoted from him.  If you want to believe that orgasms did not prevented Monroe to reach spiritual mastery, that's fine. If you want to have your own experience of what lust is and what concequences orgasm brings, that's fine too.

That doesn't answer the question, "What exactly is this "universal esoteric practice" and by what criteria would I be able to "KNOW" what you are telling me about?"

I briefly described this universal way of development, which consist of dying to egos, practicing alchemy and helping others. You would know what I'm talking about by applying those techniques, as I already mentioned in previous posts.

I happen to own Manly P. Hall's Secret Teachings of all Ages and I have read much of it. I also own Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine and have read much of it.

Great. There are other great readings such as Nag Hammadi scriptures and Bhagavad Gita, if you are interested.

I also own many books by Gurdjieff and his followers and I met weekly with neo-Gurdjieffian Aspirants for over a year. (Gurdjieff had lots of full orgasmic sex).

Alright, and what did you hear that made you conclude that Gurdjieff had lots of orgasmic sex?

I wanted to know how Samael managed to father at least 6 children from at least three different women without ever having an orgasm... four of them with his main non-orgasmic 'alchemy' partner...and at least one with one of his later concubines...?the Glorian Teachers openly admitted that Samael had several extra-marital 'alchemy' sex partners even though that was strictly forbidden according to his earlier writings.

It's not really strictly forbbiden. It's more that love is the keypoint in order for alchemy to work, and love develops in a stable relationship.
In regards how he could have children without orgasms, there are many factors involved how that could happen: He might have some of children before he started with alchemy. He might have got too close to orgasm and couldn't stop it. He and she might have asked Higher Self/Being to guide semen (some semen is always lost even without orgasm) to the womb. He might have had a partner who was not into spirituality and alchemy, and due to her aburpt sexual movememnt he reached too close to orgasm and couldn't prevent it. Lots of potential variables.

What *specifically* does a year of this practice provide?

As I said in previous post, death of the egos provide increase of consciousness and decrease of egos. How much you benefit from it is entirely up to your efforts. Details? Your consciousness increases in size which expand your visual perception. It's not that you see details which are miles away, it's more about perceiving expansion of environment around you. Just like being in a huge factory hall which has very dimmed lights. Then as the light increases you start seeing more and more of what is around you in that factory.
You also start to see more when you look into material world and its objects - you see its illusionary nature, its supstance. This perception increases as your consciousness grows. Also, the more conscious you are in physical, the more conscious you are in astral.

When it comes to decrease of egos, you know it because egos start to have less and less grip upon you. For example, say you work intensely on anger, then after a while you find yourself in situation in which you always react with anger, but this time you are much more detached frrom it, and it doesnt have such grip upon you. Anger is still there, but not in a form where it takes control over you.

What *specifically* does adding more 'keys' to the practice result in?

As I said in previous posts, I don't practice alchemy (second key) so I don't know what it results in, only what I heard it does. Results which I already told you many times now are: higher bodies, psychic faculties, incarnation of higher parts of the Being etc.
Third and final key is helping others spiritually. We have to help others so that we are helped in return.

P.S. Since huge part of this disscusion is based on your questioning of what say, would be nice if in future you would process what I say in my posts and continue asking questions based on that.

What I meant is that I couldn't find where Binaural beats are on Ryan's website.

I could not find it on Ryan's website. Can you post the link?

I am not asking for personal details. If you claim to be able to drive a car there are certain very general observations you can make to show this. You do not have to tell me what kind of music you might listen to while driving or any other personal matters. Just simple objective statements that demonstrate how you evaluated whether someone else had this Solar Body thing.

I pondered over how to tell you what happened during those experiences and I can't find a way how to do it without including personal details. Objective demonstration is entangled with personal details.

Nothing he said in any of his books indicated to me that he was practicing anything other than a normal regular sexual relationship with his wife. Can you provide quotes that indicate otherwise?

No, he didn't make a public statement that he was refraining from orgasm. His books also don't deal with HOW to spiritually develop. He only mentions what one needs to do to break free from Earth. But there are many clues about deeper nature of development. For example, he realized in second book that the urge for sex is hindrance for exploring when out of body. He used "not now, later" approach to neutralise it. Then when he saw the sex pile he said that the memory of what happened there will from now on be enough to neutralise that urge. Also in second book, ED told BB how all humans are stuck to Earth because they got addicted to things which comes with it (thoughts, emotions etc.) and how in order for them to break free of it, they need to climb out (he used similar term). Those who practice esoteric teachings know that lust is the greatest addiction of all those thoughts and emotions, and they also know what happens when one has orgasm.

It is not a matter of being at ease. Nothing I said implied that I was intent upon comfort or ease. Why did you say that? I mentioned it because it indicates that your claim is bogus.

It looked to me like you hold on to those two passages you quoted, as a mean to justify yourself to yourself that orgasms are not hindrance to development.

What exactly is this "universal esoteric practice" and by what criteria would I be able to "KNOW" what you are telling me about? One year isn't really a very long time in esoteric School terms. I would be willing to make that effort if specific gains could be realized.

Universal esoteric practice is a universal way of development. By studying religions and scriptures of ancient cultures such as Mayas, Incas, Egyptians etc., one sees that they all speak of one and universal way of development. Secret Teachings of all Ages by Manly P. Hall is a compilation of that demonstration. In more modern times, people who dedicated their lifes to make teachings available to others are Helena Blavatsky, Gurdjieff, Samael Aun Weor, Belzebuub etc. (Apparently Carl Jung and Rudolf Steiner have a lot of esoteric practices in their books but I haven't yet read their books so I can't tell).

One year is enough to see significant changes if you put this work as your top priority. There are three main keys, I only practice first (elimination of egos) and have seen tangible result after a year. Someone who practice both that and alchemy (second key) is likely to see even more.

Good grief! What a ridiculous nit-pik. "Reached" is a valid and accurate simplification of "enabled to travel to" a 'destination'. You said, "he was enabled to travel to the "ultimate" destination". How is that NOT consistent with "reached"?   ??

Lol, well to some "reached" means "to attain permanently or for a longer period of time".

Again  , do you know of people who practice this standard exercise? Does it work? and how do you know it works? (I am very results oriented).

Yes, I practice it, and know others who do too. Avarege human has very tiny percent of his consciousness available. Most of his consciousness is trapped in egos. The more egos you eliminate, the more consciousness you rescue from it and that rescued consciousness merges with consciousness you have available. In this way consciousness increases in size and that is a very tangible result. It's also very tangible when you see that you are more and more free from anger, fear, pride, greed, lust etc.

You say you met one person. You made only a hand waving, smoke blowing reply about the astral in this regard. I would really like a clear, straightforward reply on this. People make claims about things like solar bodies and amazing abilities so often but whenever I press for details it becomes obvious that the claimant really has no idea what he is talking about.

Did it ever occurred to you that details from my experience might be personal and not something i'd like to share with everyone? And that I cannot extract just the part you are asking without making personal things known too?

No. It is just reasonable conjecture based on the fact that he presented himself as a typical westerner, married and in a normal relationship. To presume that he was NOT having normal orgasmic sex would require that you have some evidence to indicate such. To claim that this engineer and businessman in the USA in the 1950's who was completely clueless about his spontaneous OBEs was somehow practicing "White Tantra" and Alchemy is, frankly, absurd.

1950's is when he wrote his first book and when he had very limited knowledge. That spans over period of 10 years and he didn't refrained from regular sex back then. I was referring to time spans when he wrote second and third book (when he knew much more).

Based on the data provided in Monroe's books it is apparent that Monroe reached this "ultimate destination" (your words   ) all the while enjoying a regular, sexually active and orgasmic relationship with his wife.

Alright, if that makes you more at ease I do advise looking into it though, if your goal is to reach something above averege. One year of universal esoteric practice is enough for you to KNOW what I'm telling you about.

Stan, you *did* say that;

I said "enabled", not "reached". Read the quote again.

If his egos were eliminated in a "special" way... what is the "regular" or standard way?

Standard way is to eliminate them from moment to moment, in daily life, as they surface.

Marilyn Manson reminds me more of some lower astral realms

Lionheart, thanks so much for this recommendation. Tracks are amazing. Do you or anyone else know of some more of such music?

To know if solar bodes are real, and to know if someone has them, you can either investigate about it in the astral, or if you have some faculties you could get vague understanding about it here as well. How I found out about it was due to some experiences I had combined. In the end it's really up to you to either reject it or to try and look into it when out of body.

Astral plane is by nature energetic plane, and intentions and spirit's energies are easier to felt since there is no physical shield which could prevent emanations of those energies. There is also a matter of closing ones own emanations but this requires effort and it's not a natural state in the astral. It's kind of strange that you reacted the way you did to this claim since you say that you have been in astral more than a few times.

But you also mentioned Robert Monroe reaching the "Ultimate Destination"... yet, clearly -- he enjoyed a regular, loving and orgasmic relationship with his beloved wife throughout their time together... and still, he made Masterful progress and attained a high state of awareness and ability.

Did you concluded that he had orgasmic sex because of those two passeges you posted?

I didn't said that Monroe reached the "ultimate" destination. I said he was enabled to travel there because he merged with his I-There. Big difference.

I mean... he didn't mention anything about how unusual sexual practices were necessary for getting from point A to point B...? ... On the contrary, he came right out and said plainly and clearly that it was just a physical thing, nothing else.

As I said in my previous posts, he was exception when it comes to spiritual development because of the number of human lifes he had. His egos were eliminated in a special way through tests in the astral. And besides, we don't know what he did and what he didn't created in his previous lifes.

In regards to what you said about "physical thing", I have already explained in previous posts about the difference between sexual attraction and lust.

Can you elaborate what did you meant in regards to visiting high planes in relation to Yoga you practiced?

What is music that really inspires you to go for the astral? To me it's space ambient and some other kind of ambient. Not long ago I listened to one binaural beats mixed with some amazing ambient music, it really felt like floating through a galaxy.

[The response is not in itself an emotion, although thedepth of the experience often causes fantasizing that it is exactly that andof much greater import]

Also, check out this part of the quote you posted:

"The reproductive act is first and foremost a very powerful response to purely
sensual stimuli. The response is not in itself an emotion, although the
depth of the experience often causes fantasizing that it is exactly that and
of much greater import."

This is a good demonstration about difference between sexual attraction and lust. It is said that avarege man thinks about sex every 9 or so seconds. Don't knwo exact number but he thinks A LOT about it. Avarege woman thinks A LOT about it too. This shows that lust is the main factor that gets person indulging into sex/mastrubation. I quote you Monroe now because I see that you and many other people here put a lot of value in his words. His books are great, one of my favorites when it comes to inspiration. A lot of insights one can get from it. But bear in mind that his books do not deal with HOW to spiritually develop. The way he removed his egos (through tests when out of body) was very exceptional and it's not a regular way of development. After all he claims he had 2000 (or was it 3000?) human lifes, and that makes a huge part of him being exception.

Btw. thanks for posting that link. i will check out some of those meditation techniques. So you say that by living by that kind of way you reached those high planes (Atmic etc.)?