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I have heard of ppl doing this but unless you are able to transfer your conciousness to your astral body, i dont see you really retaining any info about it happening even if it did. I would imagine it would be like your astral body is asleep.

Although, I have heard many people say that everyone who sleeps, unconciously projects. If this is the case, then how would someone pull you out if your astral body is already off somewhere else. I am sure there are different schools of thought on this but it is a valid question.... Robert Bruce has said there is a place where people float around in a sleep like state.. I think Robert Monroe may have written something similar.

Volgerle is passionate about many things and he often defends beliefs that he doesn't necessarily hold true himself simply because too many people already scoff at anything that challenges their comfort zone.

I've learned a lot from him.

Well thats understandable.. But in my case.. I haven't scoffed... I said in my post maybe this stuff is true ... Anything is possible and my mind is completely open but he has accused me of having a closed mind only because I have looked at everything openly, and the reptillian stuff that Icke says doesn't resonate with me. I lean towards the opinion that Icke is in it for the money based on not just that I don't agree with him, but everything I posted. I have done my research but I am always researching more and I am willing to continue to look into it maybe I am wrong... I am even open to that.

The reality is... There ARE alot of people in this arena, and others, who are in it for the money or scam artists... Even if they say alot of true things mixed in with it all. The possibility that he is one of these people is just as possible as the fact that he isnt. I will agree to disagree with Volgerie.

Nobody says that being open minded, means you MUST agree with everybody else. As I have heard it said on this forum a few times before... "Your reality, is not necessarily mine."

Yeah, it seems Volgerle may have over reacted a bit. I see nothing in A-T's posts that were derogatory. The "struck a nerve" comment is usually deployed as a put down and was probably done so here as well but it's mild and ended there.

So no real harm.

Honestly it wasn't meant as a put down... I only said that cause he typed such a very long and elaborate response, quoting and breaking down nearly everything I said seperately and it seemed he was defending the guy quite a bit. It's just the way he wrote everything, it seemed he was a fan of David's and maybe I offended him with my original comments. But I was very careful not to Word anything begat I've towards Volgerie, maybe I should of not used that phrase "struck a nerve" but if he had of not stopped reading there I don't think he would of reacted so harshly and would have understood that it wasn't meant as derogatory.

Thanks for weighing in AZ

Volgerie,

Again you come back at me with an emotional response..... Nobody attacked you. You admit that you didn't read more than my first two sentences so you have no idea what I said, if you had of bothered to read it.. Maybe you would take a different tone. I never used the word "fanboy" which is a derogatory term. I said based on your first response, it seemed you were a  fan of David Icke and I said if you were, that was fine! I never judged you for it, I never insulted you, I never attacked you. And yet, that's what you did to me in your last response. Anybody who read my response to you, and your response back, can see that you are the one who is directing negativity towards me and not the other way around and I welcome them to weigh in on the matter!

If you aren't going to bother reading more than the first sentence of a paragraph before you pass judgement on me, jump to conclusions, and start spewing emotionally driven insults towards me based on something I never even said.... Then don't bother responding to anything I say either. You are being ridiculous now.

You claim you refuse to read anymore of responses which is fine too so this response is for everyone else... I really do want to hear if others agree with me on this.. That you are completely overreacting and what you wrote is unjustified .

Is it even possible to verify though astral projection the presence of reptillians in our government, or whether the moon is hallow?  I am a newbie sI don't  I really don't know the answer to that.  But, from what I've read about the astral plane, it's not an exact duplicate of the physical plane is it?  I thought our thoughts instantly manifest on the astral plane.  If you think about a table it automatically appears right? So if you expect to see a solid moon or a hallow moon, you would see what you expect wouldn't you? 

You are correct.. There is no real way to verify this stuff. Which is why I ask myself with people like this guy one question,  "how do you know?!" someone else who follows his work more closely may can answer, but while he may AP  sometimes, I don't think that is where he claims to get his info. I would like to know his source as to how he knows reptillian shapeshifters are in our government and how he knows the moon is hollow. It erks me when someone preaches things as fact and simply says "it is" rather than "I believe it is" or "it is possible that" or "it is my opinion that."

With things that are so out there and hard to verify, you have to be cautious of a small group of people (or one man) who pound their fist and say "this is the truth."

It was during projection, not SP.  Actually, it started as a normal dream in which they were speaking telepathically and I could understand them.  It was very involved but as usual for me, I forgot most of what they said upon waking up.  I did remember some of it.  Near the end I suddenly achieved full lucidity and that's when I remembered hearing the other language.  Then I spoke the other language and didn't understand a word of what I was saying.  I really have no idea why I couldn't understand it. It was one of those strange yet profound experiences and unfortunately it had memory gaps.  Just a mystery I guess.

Hmm... An interesting experience to say the least. I have a theory that maybe it was your memory upon waking that is the problem. My guess is maybe what was said, cannot be comprehended by our physical brains. Maybe when it happened, the thoughts were transfered back and forth normally with full understanding, but when awaking, that memory download sort of went currupt to speak in computer terms... So what you remember was something that cannot be translated. What do you think about that theory? I like it

I should also jus mention Jamie Mussan (the mexican journalist) who they call an "expert" in UFOs. Not saying that everything he shows is necessarily fake.. But he is EXTREMELY naive and believes everything regardless of the evidence slapping him in the face that it is not real. I have seen him claim a hollywood tv commercial featuring a ufo flying by a helicopter at light speed was real even though many people knew it was a commercial, i have seen him be fooled by hoaxers on many occassions when MUFON and other UFO experts from the US went to investigate his cases and proved beyond a reasonable doubt they were hoaxed, and he still denied it was a hoax even when the hoaxers admitted it! In one case, a mexican guy took some photos of a ufo in the sky by doing a poor photoshop job and it was proven. Then they looked at the metadata on the files and saw the times he took the photos did not match the lies he was telling them. Jamie mussan told mufon that the aliens changed the time in the metadata of the photo file on his cellphone, and had one of his "experts" back him up on it.

WOW .... Out of anyone i mentioned.. He is by far the biggest baffoon ever and I will gladly stand by that

Volgerie,

It seems my post struck a nerve with you and you are a devout David Icke fan. Thats fine if you are. Let me say that for all of the people I have mentioned that I question, i have watched ALOT of their videos, watched their interviews, read things that they wrote, and have done independant research to the best of my ability to check their facts. Not all of the names are on the same level... For instance, Alex Jones is a conspiracy theorist and talks about alot of things I find to be very true. The main problem I have with him is that he is too much of a radical and he exaturates alot of things to help support his claims. I would not call him a fraud though I just don't take everything he says as fact until I look into it myself. One example, i watched a video of him claiming that Asartame was created using feces from ecoli bacteria. That is a big exaturation of the truth, as bacteria do not produce "feces" and i found that out while researching the process of making aspartame. I do believe what he says, that aspartame is bad and should not be ingested... And part of the process involves ecoli bacteria to make one of the molecules needed for it.. But thats what I mean by exaturating.

As for David Icke, no i have not watched a 7 hour video of him talking or a 9 hour one because i do not have so much free time. I have watched shorter videos of him and seen him in many interviews through various sources. Where I heard that he makes 2 million dollars a year with what he does, is when Jesse Ventura interviewed him for his conspiracy theories show about the reptillians. Now, I am not a bug Jesse Ventura fan either, but like Alex Jones... Alot of things he talks about I do believe. I just dont like his way of thinking...

Jesse supposedly did the research to find out that he made that much money and confronted him about it... David Icke walked out of the interview angry and never denied the money he makes from it. Could it be inaccurate, yes..  I have not researched how much he is worth that is a hard thing to do accurately on the web.

But my thoughts on him living modestly is... Do you think that if he lived in a mansion and drove fancy cars around in public, that peope would take him as seriously? Or would that hurt the image of him and hurt his credibility?

Nothing he has ever said has really resonated with me... If that is different for you then i respect that. But please don't think i simply hear one persons opinion or something in mainstream media, and regurgitating it as my own opinion.. That is FAR from who I am now.

If you do not believe that he created the reptillian shape shifter myth, then can you provide proof of its origin? Maybe he didn't create it, maybe he learned of it from way back and used the idea to create this modern version of things. The other thing I listened to him talk about is how the moon is hollow and is not real. I tried to get into that one but it did not resonate with me at all... But i am not close minded to these things. My opinion can change, maybe i will find a video of david icke talking and it will click... I am not closed to listening to him talk and giving him a chance to change my mind... I just dont plan on watching him for many hours.

Johnnydreamer, You remind me of myself many years ago. I was a christian who associated with alot of other christians, went to church, etc.. But also was very interested in this stuff. When I mentioned it to other christian friends, I found that they all unanimously thought it was some sort of evil practice that was not christian and they all told me i should stop it. At the time, I guess I listened to a certain degree.

It wasnt until a few years ago that I started to realize that I was evolving beyond christianity, that the small mindedness of the belief system was holding me back. And it was only very recently that I finally let go of the title of "christian" because I felt I had evolved too far beyond it to call myself that.. But I was afraid to let go of that status that was so important to me all these years.

My point is that you do not have to let go of christianity to evolve or understand this stuff, but being too stuck on the belief system of christianity will make it difficult for you to do so. I hear christians now all the time saying things like that if you practice Astral Projection, you are worshiping the devil.. Or if you lucid dream, that you are worshiping the devil. I roll my eyes and just smack my forehead when i hear this stuff because it is those type of beliefs that are the epidemy of ignorance. If you have a lucid dream, you are not worshipping the devil for crying out loud. The belief seems to be that if you do anything not understood or specifically stated as not being a sin in the bible, you are somehow wrong. Alot of these things happen naturally with no intent, and I dont believe for a minute that even in christianity beliefs , that you can accidentally worship satan. Sorry I am ranting let me move on lol.

It is that belief system and other earthly programming that I think is holding you back. You have been taught your whole life to believe that there are three distinct states of conciousness.. Dreaming, reality, and the spirit world. Furthermore, you have been taught to believe that the spirit world consists of 3 levels... heaven, hell, and a void somewhere in the middle probably.

As long as you think of reality in this way, you wont begin to understand these things because you have to first change your understanding of what reality is. Belief systems instill alot of fear which is why i dislike them all so much now. Fear is your enemy and will hold you back.

I hope I dont come off as trying to attack christianity, because I am highly against attacking the religion or people who are christians. I believe that it is a great foundation but it is not all there is, and it has been highly altered and adapted to fit various agendas by man, hence the reason there are so many denominations of the same religion that have such huge differences alot of times. For me, the more I learned about these things.. The less Christianity made sense which is why I like to say I have evolved beyond it. I have developed a seemingly rare ability to see the bits of truth in everything, and see how everything is connected. And if I went back in time to about 2011 and talked to my past self about the things I believe now, i would think i was crazy! It is what people call "an awakening." But you have to experience and evolve on your own, nobody can tell you how to do it., i guess it is what people talk about when they say they are finding themselves.

Keep experiencing things, read books about it by people like Robert Monroe and Robert Bruce, etc. and keep being open minded.

I have experienced this before, in the form of rocking back and forth in my body in a rolling motion to the point where I have gotten dizzy and also feeling my hands float up but also being aware of the fact that they have not moved and are numb, but I could feel them laying on my lap and touching each other.. I was aware of both at the same time.

I just chalk it up to your astral body and/or conciousness starting to expand and become less locked into your physical body. Its a really weird and amazing sensation.. Keep it up and go with it, it sounds like you are on the right track.

I haven't remembered specific words to be able to look up.  The languages don't really sound like they're from earth. That's the impression I get, anyway.  Also, the people that speak them are radiating extreme love and wisdom. (very non-earthly)  The languages do sound real.--not just gibberish.   

I find it curious that any entity you encountered would speak in a language that you wouldn't understand, if all communication in the astral is supposed to be telepathic. I would think that would bypass language all together and you would just automatically KNOW what was being said. If this is stuff you are hearing in SP prior to projection, thats different. But since you mentioned the people speaking them are radiating extreme love and wisdom, it sounds more like something you experienced during projection not SP.

Exactly what i said the words i heard were deffinetly not any language that has been spoken on earth .

When did you post in this thread that you heard words in a language not from this earth? I only see one post from you which is the original, and it doesn't say that as I type this.. Just that it was a female speaking another language. On top of that, wouldn't it be sort of hard for you to say that it was a language not from earth? Nobody in this forum is a master of every language on earth that has been spoken from the beginning of language, until now. If you cannot remember the words, I understand... But if you could.. I most definately would research it online and see what you could find rather than assuming it isn't of earthly origin.

In this post, this person had gone astral and had more or less confirmed the existence of reptillians within our governments, has anyone else confirmed this with their spirit guides? What do they say?

This all seems to have been started by David Icke who from what I have researched, is a scam artist. This whole reptillian agenda thing and all his other spoutings, are worth around 2 million dollars a year for him last I heard. Anyone who is making THAT much money on something that he has no proof to support, and who won't answer questions when he is interviewed but tries to tell the interviewer that they should buy his book to get the answers, has absolutely no credibility in my book.

All these videos I have seen about "reptillian shape shifters" seem to be nothing more than either fakes or digital video compression errors which I am an expert in and have analysed. There are a few I have seen that are interesting and could be caused by lighting, but its hard to say. The problem with those videos are that you don't know where the original source is in order to check it for yourself. People should provide a link to the source where they got the video... Considering alot of it looks like something that came off of cspan showing politicians addressing congress or giving speeches or interviews. Atleast say what the footage is from so people can find it you know?

There seems to be more evidence against it than in favor of it. I don't trust politicians and i believe they have some pretty sinister agendas, but I see no reason to believe they are shape shifters.

Through my research, there are a few people who if I hear anything associated with their name... I just roll my eyes and move on because it is instant credibility killers. If I watch a show that mentions or interviews David Icke, Alex Jones, Whitley Strieber, or Jamie Mussan (prob killed the spelling,) I go into skeptic mode.

Do I believe a race of aliens exist that look reptilian? Yes probably so... I dont know if they are near earth or not but there are far more people who claim to have been abducted by greys than reptillians so I am not sure. I dont know that David Icke is the one who invented the reptillian thing but he seems to be the main guy who is pushing it currently and has been for many years.

You'll probably hear voices often.  They're nothing to worry about. If a voice bothers you, just turn your attention away from it and onto something else.  I hear a female voice speaking in another language every once in awhile.  I just heard her last night, actually.  I even speak in another language in the NPR sometimes.  Too bad I have no idea what I'm saying.  Lol.

Can you guys ever remember the words from the other language to try and look it up kater to identify that language and see if it is real? Thats what I would do so just wondering. I have woken up and remembered wierd words before.. One was Merkabah, although i remembered it starting with an, H and I had heard the word Merkabah before so it wasnt as amazing.

Well the idea behind the "announcement" was LAME.

But I did enjoy his "Implications Posts". I thought many of them were spot on.

...and not everyone knows the truth about the Pyramids. So I'm sure he will open some people's eyes with this.

Yeah that's what I meant.. His countdown and making it all dramatic. Queue sad trombone sound effect lol

Well part 1, (yes it seems there is 3 parts to the "announcement), is a infomercial for Remote Viewing. Using words like "cutting edge science" and showing how they saw (through Remote Viewing) how the Egyptian Pyramids were constructed, stones moved and by whom.

I was really hoping he was going to say something I didn't know, lol. Maybe they should hire me! 

Near the end of the video he went into some pretty good detail on the process in general though.

Just reading the comments under his video will tell you what the people that were awaiting a significant, undeniable, provable "revelation" really think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUQfyY0IZPI

Is it time to call LAME on this yet? I am not going to be the first to say it here lol... I want to but I am giving the honor to someone else... Say it!! You know you want to! 

I thought someone said that he said it wouldn't involve aliens. But I hope it does

They stated clearly on their website that this wasn't a "prediction" of any kind, but indeed a fact. 

The date he chose was solely for the purpose of revealing his "secret".

Still, I can't help but make my prediction that it will be anti-climatic.

I'm guessing this is going to be like every other big date prediction where nothing happens. Y2K, 2012, several supposed apocolypse dates by that old man that keeps forgetting to carry the 1 in his math or whatever... Nothing ever happens. I have even seen stuff in youtube where people make some prediction based on some info about this or that, then it doesn't happen.. So they edit the video to change the prediction date, which also changes the publish date on the video... And they keep doing that over and over.

But it would be awesome if something good happened on one of these dates for a change...

You know, I was going to make this long post about what I think is right and wrong and why.. But then I thought, for what reason?

I will just say I agree with Lionheart and I think this world has turned into a very very sad one.

Legally speaking, true christianity in general believes that homosexuality is a sin, and they do not agree with gay marriage. If you are a christian and are a business owner, and you base your business ethics on that of your religion (christian business) then you are protected legally by the first amendment from the government trying to force you to go against your religion.

In the case for a photographer who a gay couple wants to hire to photograph their wedding, therefore he is participating it, and he says no based on his religion... He has that right under the constitution and therefore should not be sued successfully, otherwise his actual rights have been violating. I don't think the lawsuit was successful, but the business owner has to spend alot of time and money defending himself and proving that he is protected under the constitution.

Same goes for the case of a bakery owner and a wedding cake although it may lack the participation part in some people's opinion.

Call it discrimination, but comparing it to the 50s when white business owners refused to serve blacks is not even remotely the same. Those business owners did not have any protection from the consitution in that case. And yet, that is what is being done here. The fact that they had to introduce a law to prevent people from being able to sue business owners like this, is the travesty here.

But that is the society that we live in now... Because laws are being changed to appeal to people's unnatural agenda's, laws are now being created to try to specifically protect people who are already protected by existing rights. It isn't about equal rights, it's about some people wanting more rights than already exist.

And yet.. They are winning.

Nice, thanks for the share! 

Any positive main stream articles on OBE are always welcomed.

Of course the Scientists involved had to put their own twist on what was really happening (as seen in the following statement). But progress none the less.

  Instead of an "out-of-body" experience, however, the researchers termed it a "extra-corporeal experience" (ECE), in part because it lacks the strong emotions that often go hand-in-hand (such as shock & awe, for example). "

Hey Lionheart, thanks for pointing me to this thread from my other one... I agree with you, small steps!

I found this article today on yahoo about a woman who had her brain scanned during an OBE, thought I would post it here. Funny how the article makes no mention of the term astral projection and it seems to be still trying to say it is something happening in the brain only but I like that they admit they can't explain WHAT is happening.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/scientists-scanned-womans-brain-during-232752794.html

Thoughts?

I have to agree that I don't get into these people who claim to channel aliens much.. I have tried, and listened to quite a few people claiming to channel pliaedians and bashar etc, but there are too many out there who like to make believe and fake it that makes it hard to take it seriously. I wonder how much money some of these people make doing this as alot of them do it in front of crowds... Also makes me suspicious.

There is no "law enforcement" in the non-physical.
The only rules you break are the ones you place there for yourself.

With that said, if you're breaking your own rules (whether they consciously or unconsciously set by you), then you're going to run into "blocks"... but any of those blocks are going to be self-created.  How you perceive those blocks is entirely up to the individual... it could manifest as a wall stopping you from moving forward; you might just become unable to move at all; you might run into "police"... which is how this whole "astral police" stuff began in the first place, one person experienced it and told someone else...

What you experience in the non-physical is objective, but HOW you experience it is subjective.  Not many new people realize this and interpret experiences literally!  You can't do this.
For example, the scenario above of someone being "stopped" by some "police" while projecting... this individual definitely was "stopped" or "blocked" from an action they wanted to take or stopped while doing an action, that's the objective part... the subjective part was that they were stopped by "police". 

Understand?

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Yes, that makes sense. I wish Szaxx would weigh in on this topic also cause he posted an experience he had with some guards at a place he was not supposed to be which he believed to be the djinn. I believe his understanding was that these things could be either your own manifestation or actual entities.

It would depend upon how strong your belief was.   It's not always as simple as just "not believing" in something.

I've never bothered with places like the Whitehouse.  They don't interest me.

Do you also believe Astral Police are manefestations of our minds? I have read posts here about people breaking some sort of rules in the Astral and being punished by not being allowed to project for a week etc. and that there are entities that enforce these rules as well.