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I recently read somewhere that some physicists think that our universe is 5 dimensional. XYZ and the 4th material dimension comes into play when you approach the edge of our universe. Instead of hitting a "wall" you simply keep on going and come out on the other side of it, and 5th time dimension.

I don't think you can really become invisible. (Unless you have acces to a star-trek cloak)
I do think that you can put your "shields" up. In this state you are visible but people don't seem to see you. Somewhat like in the Bible when the apostles didn't recognize Jesus althea they spoke to him.
I just do it by giving myself an order (or flipping a mental switch) "shields up" and then you have to do "Shields down"

I never tried the opposite, turning your visibility up. Maybe I'll try it next time when I hit the club.

I was doing some energy work (not NEW, the exercise was similar to the "pillar of light" method) but this time I decided to hyperventilate, get more oxygen into the system which in turn would awaken the body and allow it to produce more energy (energy can be gathered from the outside but I find it, that obtaining it from my own body is a lot quicker). My hyperventilation wasnt shallow it was a quick full breath filling whole lungs in under a second, then I held the air for about 2 seconds and exhale in 4 seconds. After doing this few times I fellt a whiteout coming on (its when your brain gets too much oxygen, its the oposite of blackout - i think)
With that state a feeling of happynes appeared (like a poor mans high). My question is:
Is quick deep breathing better for gathering energy and energy body development? Or is this state of happynes and lighthededness coused by too much oxygen a distruction and actualy slows down the develpment?

When I do energy work or any other kind of meditation I often fall asleep (not always but most of the time).

Just today I was doing some energy gathering ( I separate my energy work into 2 parts 1)gathering energy and 2)NEW, still gathering energy but mostly diverting it toward the subnaval center), and like usual I started to feel vibrations (at first it was only energy but then my puls got quicker and it added to the experiance, like always) so I did that for like 20 min and then I turned on my side for a sec. and when I came back it was 10 minutes later.

Latly I began to work on OBE. The thing looks the same, I usualy fall asleep. I only had 1 OBE, after I woke up [8D], and then a diferent time, also after waking up, I was in a deep trance and felt myself exiting the body, but I didnt get past that point during the attempt.
There are many more examples of me falling asleep but I dont want to waste time.
SO I ask, is there a way to stay awake ? (and Yes I do the "my body falls asleep but my mind stays awake",) maybe if I used a diferent position for meditation I would stay awake, did anyone ever have a OBE while not lying down?

[Recently I began to read about conspiracy theories and althea 99% of them are simply a waste few aroused my intrest.One of those theories talkes about how the government damaged the spiritual development movement in the US by sponsoring many civilian misinformation agencies. After thinking about it I have come to a conclusion that it realy doesnt matter if it is true becouse the message wraped inside that conspiracy theory is realy important.In the 60 and 70 there were many "human potential movements". They were starting to make quite an impact on society. Many companies seeing it began to exploit the human desire to know. They began to make products which would "help" to develop your spirit.Slowly but stadily a wave to tech-spitituality emurged. It also provided products that would take the work out of spiritual development. At the same time an idea emurged somewhere that "drugs will help to expand your mind". All these products concetrated on experiancing. Feeleing better and having cool visions. They became spiritual steroids which in the short term may prove to be useful to increas your preformenc but in the long run they kill your potential. "New ways of thinking" also emurged. They stated that now "spiritual evolution" is easyer they it was before. Ideas like "thinking that you are one with the univers will result in your joining with GOD" and other absurd ideas like this were accepted my the masses. They poisoned the well of spiritual knowladge for decades to come. Even now I hear ppl talking about this. They believe that simply thinking that you are a part of something will make you see from that perspectiv. "Posotiv thinking" was also altered. People started to think that positiv thinking will make their lives better just becouse they have HAPPY THOUGHTS. This idea, I think is one of the worst poisons thrown into the stream of spiritual knowlade. It is true that positiv thinking will help you but not becouse you think happy thoughts, it will help you becouse it will give you the strenght to ACT. Positiv thinking, meditating upon something are helpful only by giving you the strenght and the drive to do things that need to be done. "Sending positiv energy to the world" is also a waste of time. The amount of energy that a human being can send out (even a hunam whos enlightend) is very small relativ to the energy of the world. And if this energy is just sent out it will be wasted. The impact on the world will be almost nothing or nothing. Sending energy out is like looking out the window and throwing mony, I dont think it will help many people. Sending energy is only useful if we send it to a specific point and with a specific purpus. Sending energy to the higher-self (for example like it is done in HUNA) will have a greated impact on your life and from there (by rippl effect) on the world. When sending energy one should focus it like when investing or doneting money ot charity organizations.Now I will go back to Techno-spirituality. There are some useful technical tools (like BRAIN WAVE GENERATOR or HEMISYNC - i think thats how u spell it) but they must be used in a grater context becouse if you concetrate simply on the experiance you will miss the lesson and you will be forced to repeat it.This : http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro.htmhad a grat impact on my opinion. I know that it is long and sometimes the things said are a repeat but it is truly an eye-opener.]

Recently I began to read about conspiracy theories and althea 99% of them are simply a waste few aroused my intrest.

One of those theories talkes about how the government damaged the spiritual development movement in the US by sponsoring many civilian misinformation agencies. After thinking about it I have come to a conclusion that it realy doesnt matter if it is true becouse the message wraped inside that conspiracy theory is realy important.

In the 60 and 70 there were many "human potential movements". They were starting to make quite an impact on society. Many companies seeing it began to exploit the human desire to know. They began to make products which would "help" to develop your spirit.
Slowly but stadily a wave to tech-spitituality emurged. It also provided products that would take the work out of spiritual development. At the same time an idea emurged somewhere that "drugs will help to expand your mind".
All these products concetrated on experiancing. Feeleing better and having cool visions. They became spiritual steroids which in the short term may prove to be useful to increas your preformenc but in the long run they kill your potential.

"New ways of thinking" also emurged. They stated that now "spiritual evolution" is easyer they it was before. Ideas like "thinking that you are one with the univers will result in your joining with GOD" and other absurd ideas like this were accepted my the masses. They poisoned the well of spiritual knowladge for decades to come. Even now I hear ppl talking about this. They believe that simply thinking that you are a part of something will make you see from that perspectiv.
"Posotiv thinking" was also altered. People started to think that positiv thinking will make their lives better just becouse they have HAPPY THOUGHTS. This idea, I think is one of the worst poisons thrown into the stream of spiritual knowlade. It is true that positiv thinking will help you but not becouse you think happy thoughts, it will help you becouse it will give you the strenght to ACT. Positiv thinking, meditating upon something are helpful only by giving you the strenght and the drive to do things that need to be done.
"Sending positiv energy to the world" is also a waste of time. The amount of energy that a human being can send out (even a hunam whos enlightend) is very small relativ to the energy of the world. And if this energy is just sent out it will be wasted. The impact on the world will be almost nothing or nothing. Sending energy out is like looking out the window and throwing mony, I dont think it will help many people. Sending energy is only useful if we send it to a specific point and with a specific purpus. Sending energy to the higher-self (for example like it is done in HUNA) will have a greated impact on your life and from there (by rippl effect) on the world. When sending energy one should focus it like when investing or doneting money ot charity organizations.

Now I will go back to Techno-spirituality. There are some useful technical tools (like BRAIN WAVE GENERATOR or HEMISYNC - i think thats how u spell it) but they must be used in a grater context becouse if you concetrate simply on the experiance you will miss the lesson and you will be forced to repeat it.

This :  http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro.htm
had a grat impact on my opinion. I know that it is long and sometimes the things said are a repeat but it is truly an eye-opener.

One of te reasons why I want to learn OBE is becouse I want to explore space, but I am not good enough yet.

So If there is someone who went outside Earth during their OBe, maybe they could share their experiances???

I had only 1 short OBE and I didnt go too fare but slowly I am getting better, and I am thinking of my next destination.

Those of you that can have a OBE for a prolonged amout of time probably traveled fare and I was just wondering are there any pleaces on Earth that are protected against OBE travelers, for example: goverment facilities or pleaces like that. And If so can somone be harmed by accidently going into those pleaces. Also Is there a distance limit for travel. Has anyone gone to the Moon or even further. One of my friends was telling me of his experiance when he wanted to go there but "bounced off" and teturned to his body. I was wondering is he lying or is there a distance limit?

I sometimes see worning that kids sould not try eveloping their energy structures. Eometimes I see it going so fare that ppl below 25 should not do it. But as a child I began doing energy work. During that time I grew a lot[]. And now I am the tolest person in my family. I think it is becouse of my energy work which allowed my body to grow better (in addition to good eating)

But what have u herd about kids and young ppl doing work on their energy? I dont know why shouldn't ppl start early? It would help them to have results faster
Write what u think about this

The mind is composed of 3 parts. Concious, subconcius and the higer-self (or superconcious).
According to Huna it is the subconcius that gathers energy, all that the concious has to do is focus on the intent of gathering energy. The pendulum is a tool which the concious uses to directly comunicate with the subconcious. You simply decide that your normal lvl of energy is 100 units (100%) and then you decide that each full circular move to the right with the pendulum is a unit or 10 units or whatever you want. Then you ask the subconcious how much energy you have and simply count the circles.

quote:Originally posted by the_demigod

zaicer: and what sensations did you experience??

Originaly I exerianced symptoms somewhat like Nay did. Now I worked it out, I still take a lot of air in but I dont hyperventylate. Now all I feel is a slight tension in my body, just enough to tell me that something is happening but not enough to destract me from gathering energy.

quote:Originally posted by Ryu-Kanjin

i find it easyer to tap into my own bodys energy [^] i proud to say my body generates a HELL of a lot of energy!

Breathing is a way to tap your own energy. You take in air, the oxygen is taken threw the bloodstream to your cells where it is burned in chemical processes with sugers and fats and energy is created.
Also the more you practice gathering energy the better you get at it. I used the pendulum method to mesure how much energy I have. During the last few weeks I noticed that I no longer mesure energy in units I mesure it in 1000s of units []

quote:Originally posted by the_demigod

The Kahuna's of Hawaii advocated hyperventialtion as a way of generating energy usefull in many magical/self-developmental processes.
I tried it in self-suggestion for changing behaviour--it works.

Read stuff by Max Freedom Long on "Huna", the last KNOWN magical system.

I know about huna. In all the huna books I read it is recomended to breathe slowly and deeply. That is how I usualy generate extra energy.

I dont know if anyone already said what I am about to say becouse I didnt feel like reading all the posts.

The human mind is devided into 3 parts. The concious (middle self), subconcious (lower self) and higher self (or superconcious). It is the job of the lower self to collect energy, we (the logical part of mind) as the middle self must only concetrate and gide the process the lower self will do the rest(subcouncious collects energy naturaly to sestain the body, when we concetrate on energy we gather extra amounts of it) . Using props to energize is very good becouse the lower self responds strongly to physical stymuly and gathers more energy if such stymuly is present, but we must remember that it is not important what kind of object we hold and where, it is only important to hold something (and KNOW that it helps you to gater MASSIVE amounts of energy, even if the object itself has no actual effect).

I personaly dont use anything for gathering energy but I do use a chant to keep my mind on the task. Before i started chanting I use to just drift away and return to energy work after a minute or 2 but now I noticed that the chant continues even when I space out for a sec, it allows me to return more quickly to energy work and make better use of my time. (my chant is "mana, mana-mana, mana-loua" I mostly do huna work so my chant is taken from that system [])

quote:Originally posted by James S


Having just come away from the christian church I still had much church conditioning to be rid of - worshipping God, fearing God, you know, that kind of thing.


But this is not what she wants. I asked her about this - she told me in clear words that are now etched into my mind "do not worship me, just love me".

I too am trying to get rid of that church mantality.


When it comes to "do not worship me, love me" I had a smilar experiance with my higher self.



Here I have to point out that pagans in the early ages and many other people worshiped Mother Earth not Father Earth becouse it is the female that gives birth not the male, and so if earth gave us birth then it must be a female.

[Energy from what I understand is in itself neutral. Even when raised the energy will remain neutral. It will be of a higher vibration but still neutral. One has to notice however that good emotions are a "higger vibration" becouse they "bring ur spirits up" and negative emotions are a "lower vibration" becouse they "bring u donw". This dows not mean that a less vibrant energy is negativ. It only means that with higher energy good emotions are easyer to experiance. "Earth is a female" theoryI think that Earth is nor a female nor a male. Before I believed that it doesnt even exist but now I have come to a conclusion that the planet as a whole has to have its own Guardian Spirit. I dont think that this spirit can manifest itself in the physical world. Insted other lesser spirits can manifest themselvs in that form. They may be in contact with the actual earth guardian spirit but they may as well be lying and trying to acomplish their own goals (there have been many instances that chanalled spirits lie for some reason, becouse a spirit is not in physical form does not mean that it is good). Sending love or energy to the Earth is ok but should not be considered something that one should do often. If there is an Earth spirit then it has all the energy that it requiers, it can get what it needs form the plants and lesser organisims. Coming into contact with this spirit would be no doubt intresting and maybe even benefical in our day to day lives but one should inted concetrate on doing what he or she can do without any external help. If that help comes then it will be good (I have experianced "external" help few times when I was trying to understand something or solve some prblem) but it will be easyer for an outside spirit to help us if we are already doing something that will benefit us ("God helps those who help themselvs".And going back to the mater-earth stuff. I think ppl think of this spirit as a female becouse it makes it easyer for them to grasp it with the limited inteligence (limited when compared to an inteligence of the "mother-earth" who no doubt is many steps above us in its spiritual evolution)]

Energy from what I understand is in itself neutral. Even when raised the energy will remain neutral. It will be of a higher vibration but still neutral. One has to notice however that good emotions are a "higger vibration" becouse they "bring ur spirits up" and negative emotions are a "lower vibration" becouse they "bring u donw". This dows not mean that a less vibrant energy is negativ. It only means that with higher energy good emotions are easyer to experiance.


"Earth is a female" theory
I think that Earth is nor a female nor a male. Before I believed that it doesnt even exist but now I have come to a conclusion that the planet as a whole has to have its own Guardian Spirit. I dont think that this spirit can manifest itself in the physical world. Insted other lesser spirits can manifest themselvs in that form. They may be in contact with the actual earth guardian spirit but they may as well be lying and trying to acomplish their own goals (there have been many instances that chanalled spirits lie for some reason, becouse a spirit is not in physical form does not mean that it is good).
Sending love or energy to the Earth is ok but should not be considered something that one should do often. If there is an Earth spirit then it has all the energy that it requiers, it can get what it needs form the plants and lesser organisims. Coming into contact with this spirit would be no doubt intresting and maybe even benefical in our day to day lives but one should inted concetrate on doing what he or she can do without any external help. If that help comes then it will be good (I have experianced "external" help few times when I was trying to understand something or solve some prblem) but it will be easyer for an outside spirit to help us if we are already doing something that will benefit us ("God helps those who help themselvs".
And going back to the mater-earth stuff. I think ppl think of this spirit as a female becouse it makes it easyer for them to grasp it with the limited inteligence (limited when compared to an inteligence of the "mother-earth" who no doubt is many steps above us in its spiritual evolution)

quote:Originally posted by Jon_88


Also remember that being enlighted (whatever that ever means) doesnt mean being a good teacher , ive seen MANY that apperantly is incredible good at what they do ,can hardly explain tying shoelaces or brushing teeths if their life depends on it!yes their so BAD!.

Thats becouse their world is diferent from ours. They learn things that r so fare advanced that we dont understand them, but there are also many who talk a lot that seems important but realy isnt. Those who teach the worng lessons are even more dengerous then the people who openly opose spiritual development.

quote:Originally posted by Thing
[brlove is what mother nature made to make us get together and reproduce.

I dont think so. Love is not limited to people who we are attracted to. We love our partners, that is true. But we also love our parents, pets, friends sometimes we even love things. Love is more then something that nature made to make us get together, i think nature made sex feel good to make us do it but love is complitly diferent.

"the world is what you think it is"

Does not mean that the world will change acording to your expectations.
You are right the world is what it is, but we cant realy precive the world as a whole.

"the world is what you think it is" means that you have your own picture of the world and you will act acordingly.

If a paranoid person believs that he is being followed he will turn around and look if someone is following him. This does not mean that someone is realy tailing him.

BTW
I tryed to look up "butterfly effect" in the dictionary but I didnt find it . Could someone explain what it is.
Thanx

I dont think God punishes anyone.
Hell is nothing, it is an absenc of everything. If you dont feel Love you are in Hell, it is becouse of our actins that we turn away from Love, from God. So God does not punish anyone, they punish themselvs even if they dont think they do.

It is becouse part of the energy you are using is your own energy which you physical body produces. This energy is used mostly for maintaining your body and then the rest is transferd into your energy body.

You can increas the amount of the energy that you produce simply by concetrating on it.
When you breath in you inhale oxygen. Oxygen is delivered to the rest of your body and cells work better. Then you tell yourself that you are producing more energy.

When I do this I either inhale slowly (deeply) or fast (shalow) in bought cases more oxygen is taken in. More oxygen allows my cells to chemicly burn more suger and fat that are stored in the body (this energy techniq is not a diet to burn of fat!!!! )
While breathing I emagin that my energy is like water and it is filling my body and overflowing. The more you do this techniq the better you get at it.

People with a low natural energy level will feel the increas easyly (they might feel better and see colors more brightly) those with high energy level may feel it but then again they might not, even if they dubled their energy level they might not notice it becouse they are high energy as it is.

This is a Huna techniqe, I did not come up with it.

From my limited understanding of the "spirit world" I conclud that the people that do not go on to heven or hell(which are just as temporary as the physical plane) are attached to this world too much and they wish to remain here or their death shock is too much to overcome.

There are more and more people and so more people stay here. Also becouse there are more people more sightings are reported and recorded.

quote:Originally posted by Steel Hawk

There are no teachers, truely there is no one with any answers. The world is filled with parasites trying to survive. Pointless. My only true comfort is knowing that physical existance is temporary.

No man is above another, no man has answers, were are all just that - human. I'm tired of prophets, gurus, and people claiming to know the truth. I don't believe enlightenment can be taught by another. I don't know. I just wish it would all end.

The world is what you think it is!!!!!!

If you think that there are no real answers then you are right becouse each answer is relativ to what we precive. Nothing is true untill we decide it is.

The physical world is trmporary, you are here untill you outgrow it. If you slowly kill yourself with the thought that it is bad then you will be like the puritans and/or many other fools who refused to enjoy themselvs. Realize that this is only trmporary and so it does not matter what happens and so you are free.

you also mentioned enlightment. What is it???
Enlightment is understanding. No one can understand everything and so noone can be totaly "enlightend". No one can give you understanding they can only give you knowladge. So I agree with you, serching for gurus and wise men so they can enlighten you is a waste of time.

We love becouse it feels good.
Love feels good and it gives you the power to do things that you would be unable to do. A mother that loves her child will gain extra strenght if her offspring is thretend.

Remember that we love not only eachother but also ourselvs. I love myself and I will do everything in my power to help myself get a better life. That means that I will not eat chips or other bad food that may couse my body to become ill. Love is not what many ppl think, its not pating urself on the head and saying "I am so great". No it it pating yourself on the head and saying "I am preaty good, but I could be better if I did this, that, and some of this" That means that you have to be hard on yourself when the time is right and love yourself all the time.

Love gives you the power to acomplish your goals, that is why we love, becouse it gives us strenght. Sometimes you get a broken heart but let me tell you something. Girlfriends come and go, and so do boyfriends. It may not lessen the pain now but it will next time if you remember.

So love yourself and eachother.
Marry christmas and a heppy 2004

Ok I got a question

I been doing NEW for like a month now. I think that I am coming along quite well becouse I dont feel my energy that strong, so my energy chanels must be developing ( I did do some energy work before NEW). I raise energy to my sub-naval center and I feel it gathering there. From what I read after energy goes into sub-naval it naturaly goes up to the heart chckra and then to the third eye. Some ppl said that they see flashes or they have some other experiances asociated with the third eye, but I experiance nothing. am I doing something wrong or should I just practice NEW a lot more?

I think that the world is what you think it is. It is not becouse the world will change acording to your thouths. Its becouse you will act acordingly to what you think. The input that you get threw you sences is only a part of your reality, your truth. If you see the sky as green and you accept that as being true it will be true to you and you will act acordingly. You will see a leaf and you will say "hey this green is a little darker then the sky"
And if you realize that the sky is blue no matter what color you think it is then you will see past threw what you got from you eyes.
So bought points are true depending on what you believe to be true.

I do not think that spoons bend becouse you think they are bent. This is not the MATRIX. The spoon exists and its solidity is real but you can bend it if you know how. But to know how you need to precive reality for what it realy is.

OBE and LD are real but only if your actions in the "real world" will be changed  becouse of what you experiance there. If you act the same way as you did before OBE and LD will be just a "virtual reality" which you use like a game.

I dont know what you are trying to find out becouse the way I see it everything affects our lives and what some consider karma others cosider a direct result of their actions that can be logicly explaind using non-paranormal science!! Karma to many (me included) is simply a hindu word for couse and affect.

So plese explain what you think karma is !!