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The real-time body exists coinciding along with all other subtle bodies
and the physical body. It is not *generated* by the etheric body. The real
time projectable double being generated by the etheric body would be like saying
the astral body is generated by the etheric body. The etheric body acts like
an interface to tie together all subtle bodies with it's physical counterpart.
During projecting of the real time double, energy from the etheric body holding
a reflection of waking consciousness is forced into the real time body
where it powers up with energy from the etheric body. From there it's able to
be extruded or projected into the real-time dimension which is the closest
dimension to the physical dimension. I believe people who have developed the
ability to remote view are using the real-time double in a low powered way
to view distant locations. And people who have developed the ability to use
"New Energy Way's" while in trance are using the real-time double to manipulate
the etheric body in it's low powered state.

These have been my observations and experiences.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

I was a teenager when I began to get interested in projecting my real-time
body into space ( I called my real-time body my etheric body then ). On
one of my successful occasions I projected my real-time body directly into
space just outside the earths direct gravitational influence. I was looking
directly at mother earth when from my side a huge boulder sized piece of
space rock floated past. It hit the earths gravitational influence just
below my altitude and hit an impossible speed and began burning up. It looked
like the starship enterprise going into warp speed into earth atmosphere from
slow motion as it entered earths gravitational influence. This was one of my
most awe struck moments. From all around me I started noticing all kinds of
space debris, mostly rocks and boulders, float past and burn up in earths
atmosphere. I awoke thinking there's a lot of material entering earths
atmosphere and burning up.

On one other successful occasion I projected into deep space. The moment I
gazed into it's darkness I began feeling myself stretching in all directions.
Like I was expanding to find the walls of a room or the like. I couldn't
stand the feeling and I aborted the experience to awaken and vomit on my floor.
Some people say they can sustain their consciousness while in deep space. I
know I cannot be far away from mother earth without waking up sick to my
stomach. It's vast out there believe me.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Someone a while back asked if anyone knew of a drug that might work to
cause an OBE or related state. I stumbled on it, it's called Zopiclone
and comes in one strength - 7.5mg. I tried it once and it caused
false awakenings and lucid dreams in my case. I used it once so if anyone
has any other experience with it please post your info. Thanks

( Zopiclone is a sleep agent )

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Meditation and Enlightenment

Everyone wants to know what Enlightenment is. I know what it is because I've had my crown chakra open and
felt the thousand petal lotus flower open and massage my skull and top of my head- up and down. I know how I did it
and I want to share it with you. First I'd like to begin by describing what enlightenment is. It's when all major chakra
sites are open and generating energy to such a degree that is causes a natural outward flow while wide awake .
Seen from the real time zone someone who is enlighted looks like a glowing yellow mass so bright it's hard to look directly at
the individual. It's
like looking into the sun or looking right into a 150 watt light bulb. This yellow light radiates outward from the enlightened
individual lighting up the immediate space within the real time zone. When looked directly at, waves of yellow light tends to
roll out like waves of water and reaches a point where it rolls inward a few inches away from the circumference of the body.
An enlightened spirit will light up a room in the real time zone like a yellow light bulb spreading yellow light every where.
Now lets get to how it's achieved. The trance state has to be achieved firstly. It has to be made to deepen. Forget about
triggering the projection mechanism- you need to keep all subtle bodies stationary and stop yourself from using them for travel
or perception. That means you need
the mental control not to fall into a dream state as well. Keep your mind as clear as possible and use no subtle body
to travel. If you find yourself using one of your subtle bodies to travel you still need time to work through personal conflict
before full enlightenment is achieved. And finally you need to bring your consciousness into DELTA. All the time while keeping
all subtle bodies inactive. By the time you get into delta brain waves consciously you will have worked out every bit of
conflict hidden or otherwise. Something wonderful happens when your in delta consciously, your visual perception which was
once black and formless ( from mental control ) takes on a sort of multi coloured outline over moving images which are
in fact pure insight and understanding of the whole of what you are. It's where consciousness meets divinity. You need to keep
this state as long as possible but really 10 seconds is all you need, then awaken to find your crown chakra open and active.
Maintaining this open and active condition is another thing entirely.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Meditation and Enlightenment

Everyone wants to know what Enlightenment is. I know what it is because I've had my crown chakra open and
felt the thousand petal lotus flower open and massage my skull and top of my head- up and down. I know how I did it
and I want to share it with you. First I'd like to begin by describing what enlightenment is. It's when all major chakra
sites are open and generating energy to such a degree that is causes a natural outward flow while wide awake .
Seen from the real time zone someone who is enlighted looks like a glowing yellow mass so bright it's hard to look directly at
the individual. It's
like looking into the sun or looking right into a 150 watt light bulb. This yellow light radiates outward from and enlightened
individual lighting up the immediate space within the real time zone. When looked directly at, waves of yellow light tends to
roll out like waves of water and reaches a point where it rolls inward a few inches away from the circumference of the body.
An enlightened spirit will light up a room in the real time zone like a yellow light bulb spreading yellow light every where.
Now lets get to how it's achieved. The trance state has to be achieved firstly. It has to be made to deepen. Forget about
triggering the projection mechanism- you need to keep all subtle bodies stationary and stop yourself from using them for travel
or perception. That means you need
the mental control not to fall into a dream state as well. Keep your mind as clear as possible and use no subtle body
to travel. If you find yourself using one of your subtle bodies to travel you still need time to work through personal conflict
before full enlightenment is achieved. And finally you need to bring your consciousness into DELTA. All the time while keeping
all subtle bodies inactive. By the time you get into delta brain waves consciously you will have worked out every bit of
conflict hidden or otherwise. Something wonderful happens when your in delta consciously, your visual perception which was
once black and formless ( from mental control ) takes and a sort of multi coloured outline over moving images which are
in fact pure insight and understanding of the whole of what you are. It's where consciousness meets divinity. You need to keep
this state as long as possible but really 10 seconds is all you need, then awaken to find your crown chakra open and active.
Maintaining this open and active condition is another thing entirely.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

I'd like to share this out of body experience with everyone which took
place years ago.

I did my best to maintain trance and fell deeper into trance and felt
the crackling surging feeling of vibrations start up from the base
of my spine then pass over and envelope my entire body. I knew at this
point my real-time double was in the process of being generated by
my etheric body. I made the exit and was hovering aprox. 1 1/2 feet
above my physical body in the real time zone. As I looked at the ceiling
wondering what to do I began twiddling my thumbs ( without actively looking
at them ) and trying to maintain real-time perception close to the physical
universe. At this point I became aware of something to the right of my
real-time body ( to the right of me ). A loud laughter exploded in my ear
and I looked over to catch a glimpse of a female hovering horizontally and
parallel beside me. This frightened me right out of the projection and my
real-time double snapped back into the etheric body which crashed back into
my physical body and I awoke. She looked just like the blonde who lives
across the street. What a trouble maker.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Not many people know or realize the etheric body holds complex insight and
emotion fused with etheric matter. Etheric matter is generated by the
human chakra system fed by the earth's potential energy ( for those who
don't know the term "potential energy" I'm referring to energy the earth supplies
our etheric body during sleep ). Complex insight and emotion can be transmitted
to another body during sexual intercourse. The location of the base chakra
is thought to be flowering at the anal entrance and therefore anal sexual
intercourse provides an adequate transmission route. Complex insights and
emotion infused into etheric matter making up the volume of the etheric body.
Also bearing a real-time reflection of up to the minute insights, thoughts and
emotions. Sexual transmission of this nature can greatly improve out of body
experiences
by "growth-charging" the etheric body by stimulation of the base chakra and
subsequently other major chakra sites. The etheric body grows in volume
providing enough energy for real-time out of body experiences by charging
it with energy and insight. Some of which is unconscious and excellent to
explore during meditative states. Behavior like this coupled with daily
exercise ( jogging a mile in the morning and a mile at night ) greatly
improve the ability to fall into trance, maintain trance, and deepen the trance
state. These overall behaviors lead to full blown enlightenment. At least it
did for me at the age of 10 and 11. My crown chakra thousand petal lotus flower
opened at the top of my head and stayed opened for months. Exercise and
anal sexual intercourse on the receiving end with meditation is a recipe for
spiritual advancement and enlightenment. Unfortunately this information is
impossible to properly publish in book form due to it's sensitive content.

Let the truth be known and we will evolve

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Most noteworthy, one must definitely vigorously exercise for preparing oneself
for the trance state. Entering and maintaining the trance state becomes
much much easier when I jog a mile in the morning and a mile at night. After
a few weeks of doing that kind of running it made my surface mind as clear as a
bell and easy to control.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

I read somewhere that lithium water can aid in protecting oneself from
psychic attacks. I was lucky enough to come across some last year. The particular brand I had was called either "Vin Thao" or
"Vhin Tao". It was bottled in Viet Nam and is contraband here in Canada. The water tasted great and was naturally carbonated.
The carbonation I must add was very mild and pleasant.

There's more than just lithium in lithium water. It has all sorts of compounds impossible to find anywhere else. I remember my
mind quieted
down after I drank it and my mood cheered up. I found it easier to meditate after drinking a bottle of it ( less than a pint ). I
don't think I was being psychic attacked when and after I drank it so I can't say one way or another if it works as a protection
aid against psychic attacks. Any comments?

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

As a young child I stayed many mornings in light trance. I must start with saying I've heard and felt a lot of things in the trance
state. Although there is one phenomena in a different class than everything else. Common sounds I've heard in trance include
explosions, someone knocking on the door, backward talking and disjointed words. And the list goes on, the point being these
noises are generated by the unconscious or subconscious mind. The one phenomena I've experienced that's in a class of it's own
I will describe below

I was in trance at the age of about eleven. I decided I would really look at what I was thinking while in trance. I stated in my
mind "whatever your thinking about" and heard an echo although not in my voice. I was wondering why I heard five or six
different voices whispering at once my own thought ( whatever your thinking about ) . I said in my mind " identify yourself " and got the reply "thought police" ( or
a phrase that sounds similar to thought police ) . I eventually learned to ask the thought police yes or no questions and get a
reply. Sometimes during trance I was unable to locate the thought police. And other times I had to divulge to them I was aware of their presents before I was able to converse with them.  Sometimes they came in different forms, for instance I
was in trance two years ago and while contemplating the function of my chakras I heard someone shout " You Have To Run To
Keep Your Chakras!! ". It sounded like a young adult in a state of mania. It broke me right out of trance. This is the kind of
insight I receive from the thought police.

The difference between unconscious or subconscious sounds and bodily feelings and the thought police is constructive insight.
The thought police have been a help in my life. I dare not tell anyone face to face about the thought police for fear of ridicule,
and so I never have until now. In sharing these experiences I hope others might find this to have happened to themselves during
their trance experiences.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Due to the fact I can't seem to get the attachment option to work I have to use this little column to post my info....here we go...

During meditation I decided I would like to meditate on my past lives. Specifically life times I spent with non human intelligent life forms. I didn't think I would get anything interesting. As I were laying there I fell into trance for a second and saw a quite interesting image of something running toward me in a room full of what I thought to be cold fog. As it ran past me i noticed it's skin was a refractive blue-green colour, like a fish. It was humanoid in shape and when it crossed past me it wiped a gel or cream on my shoulder. I immediately feel to my feet. It's voice was in my head. It said "compared to Mutund, human is what?" I rose to my feet with a majestic chill running through my spine ( the kind of chill that run's the spine when listening to inspiring
music, or praying in a church ) and replied "simple".

I meditated more on this life form called Mutund and found it to be repulsive and quite ugly. Frightening to say the least.

I continued with my meditation to see what else I could come up with. I fell into trance again and saw something that looked like two humanoid scorpions screech aloud and run at each other with pinchers outstretched. They were snapping at each others heads trying to injure one another. One was wounded and ran through an open doorway. A part of its brain matter was on the ground. It looked exactly like a stick and head of broccoli. I ate it.

I continued with my meditation of these large fearsome humanoid scorpions. I was in trance and saw a control room where humans and non humans were working together. Mode of communication seemed to be telepathy. These humanoid scorpions called themselves "Aghangh". They asked humans questions about aspects of space travel, their craft, energy sources and so on. If a human did not respond that particular human would be killed by Aghangh. I clearly saw an Aghangh smash his pincher into the top of a humans head, then open his claw to split the skull open at which time a swift horizontal smash with the other pincher destroyed  the human for not responding. Responding incorrectly causes a credit subtraction while a correct response a credit addition.

I continued with my meditations and fell into trance once again to find myself in what looked like an elevator with a tall nordic viking looking male. Blond hair although for some reason his fine facial features were not observable to me. He was making noise mumbling continually. He then touched my shoulder and I heard his voice clearly in my head saying "will be there soon". This particular non human life form looks very human like. When he touched my shoulder I knew more about him. I knew his likes and dislikes and what he was doing and how he was generally feeling. Almost like an intimate sexual encounter had happened between us when he touched my shoulder momentarily. This non human life form calls itself Lukin ( pronounced:  
Luke-In ).

I further continued with my meditations about non human intelligent life forms. I feel into trance once again and saw myself enter into a room where many tall humanoid looking begins were standing in groups of 5 or 6. As I walked up I heard one say to me "Trade with Umman's". I had no insight to share and was thrown two the ground where I was scratched, bit, ripped at until I finally expired. This particular non human life form looked feline, although humanoid and intelligent. Some with small patches of hair but most without any hair.

I again continued my meditations and fell into trance once more to find myself looking at myself in a mirror. I was in a honey-comb shaped room with mirror's all around and an exit at one of the walls. Then I was in a room with other humans. The idea was to share information with everyone ( different from Umman as they trade information ) and all I saw were humans until something started coming are way. Everyone started getting frantic as what ever was coming was mimicking the sounds of our voices as we shuttered and made whimpering noises. It entered the room and made a loud screaming yelling noise mixed with the sounds it heard the humans previously make. Much like how a parrot repeats the voice of its keeper. It was quite large and strong looking and fully covered with black fur. It was an Eggbe ( pronounced Egg-Bee ), a humanoid wasp or bee. It looked like a saskquatch.

I further continued my meditation and fell into trance state to find myself in a hallway with other humans. Something was running down the hallway in a really funny fashion. It looked ridiculous and funny, like this particular being can't be for real. It was humanoid and covered with brown fur. As it was running by minding its own business, one of the humans in our group stuck out his leg and tripped this particular being. It came crashing to the floor. It laid there for a second still continuing it's train of thought like nothing had happened. It was a happy looking being to say the least. The group of us were laughing at it. It got up a moment later and continued it's funny looking run down the hallway. It was a Kro-Kar ( pronounced Crow-Car ) and it's a K-9
humanoid.

This is a brief description and depiction of what I remember of intelligent non human humanoids. What I've come to realize is that I've worked with these beings in past lives and they continue to work with humans. We have two things in common. We are all humanoid in shape and we are intelligent. Therefore we share the same potential for acquiring and applying insight as the above six non humans. I believe the six non humans each have their own survival insight or survival lesson to be learnt. I've remembered each through meditation. Humans have their own survival insight to share with other non human intelligent humanoids. Therefore I refer to us all as the Majestic Seven. For there are some who know all the survival insight's needed for
physical/spiritual balance, and those humanoids are Majestic and god like...Humans included.


I would like to say I don't think of myself as much of an author. Although I try to share with you what I know as to hopefully advance someone somewhere a little further. These were accounts I remember and I have omitted much of the more distasteful and graphic accounts. I hope someone out there finds this attachment helpful

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

When I have enough energy to do a real-time OBE I find the projection reflex sensations strong and somewhat frightening. This is
how it feels for me...

At the beginning of trance I feel a humming through-out my body. This humming I feel isn't localized in a specific location but is
evenly distributed though out my body. I might dream a short vision of a landscape or a face which passes quickly. I'm still aware
at this point although I do not question what I see, or think twice about it as this breaks my trance often. I flick my consciousness
back to the feeling ( not the sound ) of humming in my body. At which time has grown slightly more intense. This is where the dam
breaks, and from the base of my spine an electric crackling begins. The feeling is like an electric storm which shoots up my spine
in less than 3 seconds. It then envelops my entire body with vibrations that are better described as electric vibrations. The
vibrations I feel actually have tempo ( I think that's the word )and remotely resemble a cars engine being revved then allowed to
idle for a moment and revved again, over and over.

The vibrations reach a crescendo if conditions are right ( body fully relaxed, and not over excited emotionally ). I change my
feeling awareness of my body to the foot of my bed and hold it there.

The vibrations which had tempo before change into a full body rattling sensation. I mean every single part of my body feels like it's
lifting and rattling out of its physical confines ( my physical body doesn't vibrate or rattle at all ). In contrast it might equal the
sensations NASA astronaut's get when blasting off in a rocket ship to the moon. My heart begins racing ( actually it's my heart
chakra that races ) and the only natural thing that comes to mind is concern for my physical heart. I ignore it the best I can
because I find the feeling of my heart chakra pumping almost to frightening.

The heaviest sensations felt are those produced by exit of the real time projected double...Just like how Robert points out in his
book Astral Dynamics. When you get there you'll be ready for it..Its a blast!

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

your e-mail won't allow me to deposit mail, I have to write in this
section the following...

Hi Robert! It's been some years since
we wrote each other. Many things have
changed in my circumstances and I have
an experience to report with you
involved.

I was asleep one morning and from out
of no where I hear the faintest sound
of a helicopter. I felt a friendly
presence approaching. I heard "Matt!
Matt!!". As I was roused in the real
time zone I saw what looked exactly
like a miniature helicopter outlined
in white. It moved backward ( like a
bumble-bee might before it stings ) and
made a bee-line for my head. It crashed
into my head and I fell unconscious
again ( not enough energy ). Was this
you? Do you turn yourself into a
helicopter with the most awesome sounding
blades chopping the wind? If this was
you I must say that is a brilliant
form to travel in.

I have more information to share with
you. Information you might find very
very valuable. If you're interested
please mail back.


Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Robert Bruce pointed out energy exchange ports draw in energy
when a person is in trance state or sleep state. The energy collected can be heard as a humming or as full blown vibrations.

I believe the human race to be tied to the planet earth much more
intimately than our current belief systems lead us to believe. I believe energy collected through energy exchange ports is directly
from the planet. But how is this possible? I think the planet is alive
and sharing a symbiotic relationship with everything indigenous to the earth.

Any comments?

Matthew Kingsley

P.S. Robert Bruce do you remember me? Please e-mail me. I have      information's you might find very valuable.

Lucid dreams, false awakenings and astral projections all happen in
the same dimension. They are all manifestations of one another. To
have a true OBE you've got to use your etheric "PROJECTABLE" double
or also known as the real-time body. I'm not referring to your etheric
body. I'm referring to it's projectable real-time double which has
many characteristics of the etheric body. In this body a person can
tool around and observe things like playing cards set atop a shelf
for you to view and confirm once awake. Or view construction going on
up the street and so on.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Michael,

I enjoyed reading your account. I wanted to say when I use to have RTZ
projections I was troubled with disorientation and immobility, I still am.
Getting away from your physical body is an important action I would surmise.
Thanks for sharing your account

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Zangatese,

You mentioned sometimes vibrations are present during sleep paralysis and
sometimes not. I can explain this. When vibrations are not present this
usually means your real-time double has already been projected or extruded
from your etheric body and is floating like a tethered cloud above your
etheric body. Essentially real-time projection has already happened and your
waking up in the etheric body. This doesn't stop you from having an astral/
lucid dream projection but the real-time body has been already projected
which is what naturally happens during sleep. When you experience vibrations
your etheric body is ready to project it's real-time double and you can do this
by holding your concentration on co-ordinates or a position in the room and
feeling yourself there. That action of concentration held for long enough
causes the real-time double to project or extrude to those co-ordinates.
Think of yourself in a standing up pose.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Vicky,

The feeling you described in your left hand leads me to believe your energy
body ( etheric body ) is expanding at that location. The detached feeling you
describe is what happens when the etheric body expands and loosens from it's
physical counterpart. When this happens to the entire body you fall into trance.
This is a good indicator that your close to being able to put your entire
body into the trance state. The feeling of your hand being full of energy
should be accompanied with a feeling of it being swollen. This is your
energy body expanding in that location. The trick is to get your etheric body
to expand over your whole body at the same time. This causes the trance state.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Vicky,

If you've studied Robert Monroe's work closely you might have noticed he
slept 2-3 sleep cycles before separating from his physical body. Although he
did have a technique to enter the trance state from a fully awake state.
In both cases he put his body asleep long enough to gather energy. Just the
act of entering trance from a fully awake causes a large amount of energy
to collect and store in the etheric body. If you know how to enter the
trance state from a fully awake state, I would recommend you use
"New Energy Way's" by Robert Bruce. It's quite simple, in short in involves
feeling the the sense of *touch* sense to draw energy up through the feet,
through the legs and into a major chakra site, your base chakra is fine for
this. All while in the trance state. This dramatically increases the amount
of energy collected and stored in the etheric body and powers it up. For more
information on "New Energy Way's" by Robert Bruce please buy and read his book
"Astral Dynamics" or download his treatises on Astral Projection from this web
site.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Vicky,

Your etheric body needs to be charged up to project it's real time double.
There's lots of ways to charge the etheric body. For example "thing" pointed
out food. In addition to that sex can also charge the etheric body, keeping
in good physical health helps the etheric body gather and store energy, and
of course sleeping is the best way for your etheric body to gather energy.
Maintaining the trance state is another way of charging the etheric body
for the extrusion or projection of the real time double. Trance simply means
you've put your body asleep while your mind has stayed awake. Charging the
etheric body or having enough energy collected and running through it is
essential to project the real time double or other subtle bodies.

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

These forums have given me the ability to share with you all my life's work.
When I was a child I was taught how to meditate at a school teaching
experimental education and since then I've learned much about the nature
of our multi-dimensional human consciousness. I believe I was born to meditate
and understand enlightenment. This may sound far fetched but it's true.
Forgive me for being so straight forward but we need people in these forums
with real experience to share. This is what these forums are for. I've learned
many things from these forums and from other peoples work in related subjects.
If it wasn't for the work of Robert Bruce I would not be able to put into
words my experiences due to the lack of fully understanding the nature of the
etheric body which I was confused about until I read his book "Astral Dynamics"
. When I learn things from these forums it contributes to my understanding
of who I am and the nature of how I function as a whole. I need these forums
as much as I need the work of others to help me understand what I've experienced
during the course of my life. I'm greatfull for the work others share in these
forums, the books I've read, my own experience and the works of Robert Bruce.
Forgive me for any misunderstandings, my purpose here is to share what I know
and learn from others.

Sincerely, your friend,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Shedt,

If someone experiences spherical vision during an Astral Projection that
person *IS* imagining it. It has to do with the behavior of how the
astral body behaves in its dimension of origin. The astral body *IS* the body
of imagination. It's in fact imagining the behavior and attributes of the
real-time body in it's dimension of origin - the real time zone. I've
personally have never heard of this taking place, that is the astral body
possessing spherical vision. I would have to give an educated guess and
say it is possible but only as an imaginary dream like effect and reflecting
an imaginary thought form of how the real time body operates in it's
dimension of origin - the real time zone. I've used other subtle bodies
like the Mental body to perceive and travel and have never
observed spherical vision in that body, or for that fact any other than
the real time body.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Frequent Flier,

It's my experience and my theory that the real-time projected double is a body
separate from the functionality of the physical body. The same, the astral
body is a body separate from the functionality of the physical body. These
subtle bodies exist in dimensions with laws of physics differing from
each other. The mechanics of how each subtle body operates and perceives
is radically different than one another. For example the real time double
when projected into the real-time zone possesses spherical vision. This is a
hall-mark sign that the participant is using the real-time body to perceive.
Each subtle body has it's own unique attributes and functionality in it's
dimension of origin. I believe the physical body to behave like a focusing
lens and concentrate subtle body awareness- making up physical waking
reality. To prove this to you the best I can please imagine for a moment
a beautiful landscape. This is a reflection perception of your astral body
actively perceiving in it's dimension of origin - the astral dimension. It's
perception is intact while your wide awake. Aside from this I'd like to point
out that the real-time double has spherical vision as one of it's attributes.
This attribute is totally different than any of the other subtle bodies
because it resides in a dimension of it's own origin. When in your physical body
have you ever had the feeling someone was behind you and then felt their
hand on your shoulder? This could be the real-time double perceiving for you
behind yourself and telling you someone is behind you with a feeling and then
a presence with a hand on your shoulder. Robert Bruce believes that the etheric
body which is tightly enmeshed with it's physical counterpart generating subtle
bodies. I don't believe this. It's my experience that the etheric body acts
as a home base or interface to access and transfer awareness into the dimensions
of origin where other human related subtle bodies exist. This has been my
experience.

Sincerely, your friend,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

I get the feeling your not listening to me and your confused. Reread the
messages I've posted. If you still don't understand me, leave this topic
alone. This is a forum for "Memorable, unusual, and mystical Astral and
out-of-body experiences". Don't bother to further scrutinize me. There's
nothing wrong with my theory that spherical vision is only apparent in RTZ
projections and is absent in astral experiences ( including lucid dreams ).

I'm starting to understand that some people lack the ability to grasp and
understand these concepts regardless of how straight forward and clear I am.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca

Nagual,

When someone is in the real-time zone and perceiving with the real-time double,
spherical vision is apparent. Spherical vision is absent in astral projections
or lucid dreams. I can't be more straight forward than that.

Sincerely,

Matthew Kingsley
winterman@vif.ca