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Right on, Leyla

btw, I like your description as "body awake/mind asleep" - the seeming opposite of the normal phrase "body asleep/mind awake", it's actually more accurate.  One of the biggest problems I used to have was I was trying to project "outside" my body - ignoring body, pushing mentally outward.  When I started trying to completely feel my body and move as deeply into that as possible, that's when things started to happen.

JP

Hi,

    A shaman I worked with for a number of years was a homosexual.  He and his mate lived together, worked together, ceremonied together (using a combination of his shamanism and his partners wiccan and greek practices).  

    Here's the simple truth regarding homosexuality.  I don't proclaim anything strongly, but on this one subject I have to say the common sense answer is obvious, and for the most part missed due to the general developmental level of consciousness present on the planet right now.  If you haven't experienced yourself beyond your human state, you won't be able to understand this or why I am so sure, and to you all I can say is, sorry, to each their own.  But back to my opinion.  We have all had extensive lifetimes in this and many other worlds.  We have existed as entities/consciousness/whathaveyou possibly forever, and our entity is in no way tied to a human gender - humanity, 3rd dimensional reality, our existence as we experience right now (what have you), is such a teeny tiny itty bitty little nothing in the eye of infinity that to say any person is inherently male or female based on the body they chose to incarnate in this time around is absolutely brain-bustingly absurd.  We have all been male, we have all been female, and both more times than we can even begin to imagine.  Therefore homosexuality I view as an option in several lights:

1) The person has a life lesson to learn that deals with rejection, hatred, etc - in other words, they are uncontrollably homosexual in order to face the ordeals faced these days by homosexuals.  In this way, their sexual preferrence in a choice made on a higher level which allows them certain experiences which will help them grow.  As tolerance isn't a particularly strong trait of the species right now, homosexuality allows a great deal of growth for these people.

2)  The entity in question has had more lifetimes in one gender, or finds one to be more in synch with its own current nature, yet that entity is currently in a body of the opposite sex.  This can describe why a man could say he has always felt like a woman inside, or vice versa...  In this case, habit/pattern overcomes biological signals.

3)  The entity in question has opened themselves to the point that, other than physical body parts, they are no more male than female or vice versa.  In spiritual advancement, we hit a point where gender definitions and boundaries become utterly meaningless, and so we discard them in order to continue on.  Part of this adrogenous nature may allow for bisexual behaviour.

4)  Finally, some people just want to push everyone else's buttons.  They may consciously choose to be homosexual in order to challenge other belief systems that would dare to denounce them.  This may well go on subconsciously, but I'd see it as a force at work regardless.

JP

Hi elektralsole!

    Oh, definately!  That's one of the most prominently taught techniques out there - wake up early in the morning, perform some kind of slightly grounding activity, mental activity, a good tinkle, whatever, and then set intent and either drop back into sleep or try to exit through meditation.  Your focus on the mental activity may just be the best way for you to do it.

    At that time in the morning it's particularly easy to meditate, since our body is still so close to sleep.  If you can wilfully keep your consciousness from drifting back into sleep, you have a good chance of AP in this state, and the best way to keep your consciousness awake is to occupy its attention for a moment or two fully without stirring your body (at least so I've found).  This sounds pretty much identical to your technique.  Let me know if you ever find any other additions to this that help you!

JP

Hi MushieMagick!

    My take on it, as someone who has entered into the states you've described through psilocybin, LSD, mescaline, some MDMA, and also through only pure meditation (or while having a particularly strong "spiritual moment" in my life), is that the use of these drugs (while mixed with strong spiritual intent) allows you to glimpse states of higher dimensional perception, call it 4th dimensional or 5th dimensional if you will...  Due to my use of 4th dimensional as describing the movement of 3 dimensions through time, I prefer the 5th, although when you hear about the "5th dimension", this may be a different concept.

    These are (I believe) natural states inherent to the human physical vessel, be it nervous system, brain, etc or any combination, but that these states are ones we have become increasingly detached from over the past several thousand years.  As our focus became more material and less spiritual we as a species "forgot" how to use this part of our perceptual toolkit.  What drugs can allow is a 4-12 hour glimpse of what is attainable through other disciplines such as meditation, yoga, body work, energy work, what have you.  

    Would that be the "etheric or astral" you ask - my guess is that that experience is an overlay of both etheric and astral (heavier emphasis on astral) perceptions (normally unconscious to us) over physical reality.  In this way we are taking all of these perceptions and refocusing them to work through the measley 5 senses we have, which is why we can experience such a great variety of visual, audial and tactile stimulation, as well as synesthesia, or the ability to perceive something visual as a sound, a sound as visual imagery, whatever.  

    In these states, everything takes on the profoundly personal feeling that magicians describe as their common state of awareness.  We realize fully that we create our own reality instantly with our beliefs and suddenly our memory of our own control over our reality is blatant and obvious and we know then that we never really forgot it, but were pretending to be ignorant.  We relax, realize that everything is fine and then eventually come off the trip.  Of course when everything's been back to normal for awhile we lose the ability to conjure that feeling or remember the things we knew so clearly, and once again we are "pretending to forget", which is a frustrating concept, since we try so hard to remember.

Personally, drugs did this for me in this order:

First, I tried drinking - it relaxed me and caused me to become more sociable, but in general was unsatisfying.

Secondly, I began smoking pot, and this caused my personal anxiety, something I've experienced all my life and thought completely normal, to dissolve, showing me how to loosen up and resolve anxiety without the need for any chemical.

Thirdly, I tried ecstasy, which caused all of my emotional issues to come to a head.  All blocks were cleared, all damaged or slightly damaged interpersonal connections were recognized and (within a week from the experience) cleared and properly healed.  I came to a greater acceptance of the parts of myself which I had, up to that point, denied so strongly to myself.  This caused my energy to become balanced, cleaned, and a layer of fear, based around the tenseness of 19 years of built-up emotional gunk, to fall away.

Next, I tried LSD.  I had had mystical experiences and out of body experiences before, and had just shed Christianity entirely from my system of interacting with the world.  I was agnostically searching, open to anything, and LSD showed me with great clarity how alive all things are, the energy patterns that make them up, how new and fresh the moment of Now is, and just how incredibly powerful and knowledgeable I was about the workings of my life and my consciousness.  Of course this dissolved soon after the trip, but I used mushrooms, mescaline, LSD and morning glory seeds and got different but similar results from each one.  

    However after the tripping brought me back to a direct connection with my higher self, or the part of me that knows all the things that this little fragment of me desperately desired to learn, my entire life opened up.  I no longer had even the option of believing in coincidence, since I had seen how directly and instantly consciousness weaves the threads of our physical reality.  The inherent fear deep in me was reduced to nearly nothing, I found myself feeling a true "right" to be in the world, as the world as I know it is being created by me.  I also realized the necessity of taking responsibility for everything as a part of myself, rather than resisting anything, thereby causing it to persist.

    In other words, my happiness, looseness, social skills, compassion, deep love for all things as part of the one whole (and all conscious, from the molecules of the floor I'm standing on to the clouds in the sky), and ability to affect positive changes in my life and those around me are owed in a large part to these drugs.  Would I have gotten there anyway?  Probably, about 20 years from now, after going through who knows what kind of personal hell.  There are shortcuts and previews available in the spiritual path, and as long as you aren't merely creating and manifesting what you think you should see or what you currently believe (be careful of this trippers - don't believe anything as absolute!  A higher entity or part of yourself may communicate with you, and if you're Christian, you think you saw Christ.  If you're buddhist, you think you saw Buddha, so on...  Don't try to label or lock down anything you experience, or you'll only have one more barrier to lift in the long run), the benefits of these tools can be fantastic.  

    However, becoming reliant on the tools is an attachment.  At some point we must realize that the experiences we have on drugs, no matter how far from our everyday experience, is still completely accessible to us without these tools.  The real tool is our own consciousness.  Consciousness altering drugs are here due to our need to reach these natural states combined with humanity's current trend of needing to externalize everything.  We keep external gods, external concepts, external tools for consciousness expansion.  But when we click back into that zone, there we are, the center of our own private movie, understanding intrinsically that there is no separation between ourselves and anything else.

JP

Hi Shadow,

    Sounds like something I experience pretty commonly.  I have a couple of ideas...

    First off, many many experienced OBErs realize at some point that they seem to have many "bodies", more than just a physical vehicle and one non-physical vehicle.  Robert Monroe's descriptions of getting out of body were to roll out of his body, then to roll out of that body (the first body he ended up in was less dynamic and harder to move - probably a kind of etheric-astral cross) and continue.  

    Secondly, dreaming about dreaming isn't unusual to me (especially when I am focusing lots of my consciousness on the process of lucid dreaming or astral projection), nor is coming out in an astral projection from within a non-lucid dream.

    Sometimes I think we have these experiences just to allow us to continue questioning our ideas of a solid reality (to which we often conform our ideas about nonphysical experience, ie thinking we are one entity with one physical and one nonphysical vehicle, rather than a collective of energies, consciousnesses and thought processes.  This can allow for non-physical experiences without helping break down restrictive mental patterns, allowing for more varied experiences in and out of body and a greater understanding of the working of the whole.)

JP

Hi zuzee,

    What I've found is that this is question is contextual.  I've found orgasm or lack thereof to be both a great help and a great hindrance.  

    For starters:  if you're horny (and you're me), you're not exiting your body 99% of the time.  A quick jerk is great, and if you just relax immediately after orgasm (a quick cleanup, sure) you should find your entire body greatly relaxed (release of endorphins) and your mind as well - an ideal time to try and AP, unless you're sleepy...  In which case you may want to move about and ground yourself back in a waking state and then meditate from there afterwards.

    Next: if you're NOT horny, but decisioning over whether or not to hit an orgasm before you go to sleep (probably due to habitual pre-sleep wanking), take your personal tiredness into consideration - if you feel that orgasm would relax you straight into sleep, skip the tug-a-war.  Otherwise, go for it and repeat the above.

    Finally:  I mentioned that 99% of the time being horny meant no AP...  Now I'd like to refer to the 1%.  It's not necessarily that the odds are that bad, it's just that I've only had the one experience and have never tried the exercise again.  The exercise to which I refer was called the Suneye technique and was offered free on the internet until the guy got some positive feedback and decided to start charging people for his techniques.  Needless to say, I never felt the desire to pay for more techniques that may or may not work when I have access to an infinite number that may or may not work for free.  In this exercise, you stimulate yourself by masturbation for approximately an hour before going to sleep, without ever climaxing.  The more flustered, frustrated and generally hot and bothered you can keep yourself during this time, the better.  The closer to orgasm without hitting climax, the better.  Then you just go to sleep, with a mild autosuggestion or such.  The technique boasted that almost immediately you would find yourself out of body.  (If you're tired enough to be able to drop off after all that).  And I did - immediately found myself dropped into a lucid dream from which I exited and went astral.  The reason I've never repeated the exercise is because it sucks monkey balls, as you may imagine, and I have other techniques that are almost as effective.  However, if you're desperate, give that one a try!

Hope something here helps!

JP

Hi omega,

    As someone who has tried pretty much every meditation technique I've come across for the past 15 years, I can say that your technique is one of the most powerful I've found.  It's one of the more commonly recommended exercises and one that I know many people (myself included) skip after a few tries due to "nothing happening".  This of course changes the day you bounce energy up and down your body and feel it take on a life and strength of its own, becoming almost an unstoppable reflex.  Thanks for bringing it back to my attention

JP

Hey Matt,

    You mention you had learned to ask yes/no questions, so I imagine you have a little more understanding of the "thought police"'s function.  Could you share that?  What is your personal interpretation of the "thought police"?  Is it a system for suppressing certain thoughtforms, or something less restrictive?  Feel free to drop metaphors or stories of experiences in.  The impression I get from reading the post is perhaps incorrect, but my mind wants to feel that the "thought police" as you describe is simply an impersonal program running in the human system (uh, maybe in Monroe's M-Band frequency or whatnot, part of our current 3rd dimensional perceptual programming)- impersonal and with a function that perhaps suppresses development or evolution of consciousness (until identified as a separate entity/program such as you've done)...  Is this in any way how you feel about them/it?  Do the "thought police" seem to you to be an entity or entities or a mental-type program?  Or something entirely different?  In what ways have you taken benefit from your interactions with them/it?  Also, any negative occurrences or experiences to share in relation with them/it? (forgive my extensive use of "them/it", but I dare not presume)

JP