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#1
To all the OOB community
I honestly believe, based on my own experiences, that RB's "Astral Dynamics" conveys a wealth of knowledge that, once put in practice, can take you to a "separate reality".

What I am not sure enough whether this other reality is "within/outside" our brain, reason why I need to share with the forum what I just have read about this possibility ... and thanks in advance for any feedback you can provide.

This is what I read ...

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In Stephen Laberge's book  "Exploring the World of Dreaming" (Stephen is a PhD from Stanford University, whose doctoral thesis dealt with Lucid Dreaming), he writes (sometimes using statements from other authors such as P. Tholey) the following:

" A second body is an unnecessary assumption based on a naïve epistemology"

" OOBEs often give us the compelling impression that we have a second, different and separated body: the physical, earthly body and a more ethereal one, the astral body.

In fact, a person experiences only ONE BODY ... and this is not the physical body, but a BODY IMAGE, that is the brain's representation of the physical body. The BODY IMAGE is what we experience anytime we feel embodied, whether in our physical, dream or astral body.

Thus, once you have fully relaxed and feel that your physical body is in a profound state of sleep paralysis, remember that the body image you are currently experiencing as a paralyzed physical body, cannot move because sensory information is telling your brain that your physical body is motionless.

When you go deeper into a REM (Rapid Eyes Movement) sleep, all sensory information is cutoff and there will be no information (except memory) indicating that your body is still in the position that it was before, reason why now you are free to feel movement of your BODY IMAGE without any contradiction from your sensory systems: your BODY IMAGE can move without reference to the actual position of your physical body, as it naturally does in dreams.

Simply imagine that your BODY IMAGE can move again: imagine that you are somewhere other than sleeping in bed and ... once you experience that your BODY IMAGE (now, your DREAM BODY), is out of bed, you will not longer feel the sensations from your paralyzed physical body.

As soon as you step out of bed, remember that you are moving in your dream body and that everything around you is a dream thing too: EVERYTHING YOU SEE IS YOUR DREAM".
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Cheers.

jucafern



#2
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Help
April 12, 2002, 13:48:01

To whom it may concern:
Thanks to Robert Bruce I am succeeding in my OOBs (very humble results so far but very promising ones). After 46 years of search, something is working for me (THANKS, BRUCE !!!!).

But sometimes I have doubts that "destroy" energies that took me a lot of time to store. Today, for instances, I was reading (my 4th time) Robert's "Astral Dynamics", page 163 (I believe) and in there Robert emphasizes the functioning of the Heart-primary center in the generation of energy NEEDED for the creation of our astral body. I agree 100% with this statement, but suddenly I remembered reading other authors reporting INSTANTANEOUS OOBs. In other words ...
(a) from reading Robert's book, I realize of the importance of NEW in order to activate primary and secondary centers that will be used in the creation of an astral vehicle
(b) from other authors, it seems that the astral vehicle is already there, just waiting for the right opportunity (car accident, violent fall, violent push, etc.) to "escape" from the physical body.

How can I "digest" these two (at 1st sight) different point of views? I mean, how is it possible to have an instantaneous OOB without the preparation that seems necessary according to my understanding of Robert's teaching?

Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this issue.

Cheers.

jucafern