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As I am a relative 'newbie' to O.B.E. and new to the forum, please be gentle with me if I ask a dumb question, post this in the wrong forum, etc.  Just remember that I am much farther down the 'Learning Curve' than most of you and all have been where I am now.

Short bio and then I will get to the subject topic.  For years, I have believed in NDE but never gave much thought to OBE.  Then about 6 or 7 weeks ago, I ran across information on OBE and I suddenly realized that if one is to believe in NDE it is only logical to believe in OBE as,in both cases, the brain is at the same relative conscious level.  Being a voracious reader, I began to devour everything in sight.  I have read Robert Bruce's "Astral Dynamics", all 3 of Robert Monroe's books, all 4 of Bruce Moen's, 2 by William Buhlman, and singles by Rosalind McKnight, Albert Taylor, and Richard Peterson.  I have a few more to read.  I said this not to brag about the feat but simply as an illustration that I am dead serious about finding out all I can about this fantastic realm to explore.  I consider myself a modern day "Rip Van Winkle" in that I have been asleep for the past 40 years while so much of this experimentation was going on.  

Needless to say, having done all this reading, I have picked up many many techniques in how to achieve the OBE state.  I also learned that over the past several years, I have had many instances of what was probably spontaneous OBE's and wasn't even aware of them as such.  Many cases of floating or flying.  I simply attributed them to dreams and never noticed any vibrations or other sensations.  While I did see other people during these experiences I don't ever remember attempting to talk to any of them.  What I do (now) find strange is that none of them even noticed that I was flying or floating around.  Possibly, they were physical and I was non-physical and they didn't see me or they were also non-physical and what I was doing was common to them.  But, I never remember any of them doing it.  

Having read so many books, I have been exposed to many various ways to achieve the OBE state.  I normally just attempt to do it thru relaxation, meditation, self-hypnosis.  I have read that some people can achieve this state without the vibrations but that the vibrational state is present for most people.  This is where I am having the problem.  Only once, about 3 weeks ago, have I reached this vibrational state.  There was no mistaking it.  It didn't just start small and build in intensity.  It was there.  Full force like WHAM!  Also, quite severe.  At this time I decided to lift out and was successful.  Even though I wasn't as light and buoyant as I had expected to be, I was able to float up to what I felt was 2 or 3 feet above my physical body.  I then did a 180 degree roll to see if I could see my body.  It was pitch black and I couldn't see anything.  Possibly, if I had given myself some strong commands like, "Vision now",  "clarity", "see now" etc., I could have.  I then did the reverse roll and settled back in.  Total time out was probably no more than 15 seconds.  The problem I am now having is not being able to achieve the vibrational state again.  I get to what I feel is the  proper threshhold and nothing.  That brings me to the question which I  promished you in the beginning.

Does anyone know if there has been any experimentation of creating the vibrational state artificially?  It seems at least plausible.  If the brain can be 'tricked' into various levels of activity via binaural frequencies, it seems like the body could possibly be tricked into thinking it was in the normal vibrational state if some type of vibrator was placed at the back of the neck or head.  If anyone has any knowledge along these lines, I would like to hear it.  In the meantime, for lack of anything better to do, I am going to try it.  I will let you know if it works.

Thanx.

Razorback

quote:As far as the difference between the etheric and the astral bodies, most people say that the etheric is the closest one to your physical body. If you ever project by rolling out of your body or something, and things are really heavy, sluggish, or otherwise immobile, chances are that you're still in your etheric body, which is closely binded with the physical body.

Jeff

Thanks for this definition.  I think it very well explains the only projection I have been able to do.  The vibrations came almost instantly.  They didn't start slow and build but were instantaneous and quite severe.  I had read enough to know what they were and I had conditioned myself to not be afraid and I wasn't.  I simply told myself that it was time to 'lift off' and I did.  I floated at what I felt was a couple of feet above my physical body.  At this time I decided to do a 180 degree roll to the left and see if I could see my physical body.  I completed the roll very successfully but could not see anything.  Pitch black.  Possibly I could have given myself a strong command of "clarity" or "see now" but I didn't.  What I did notice that I thought was strange is that I was not nearly as light and buoyant as I had expected to be.  Quite the contrary as I felt heavy and having to struggle to maintain my altitude.  At this time I reversed my roll and as I was having trouble staying afloat, I just settled back into the physical body.  I did either hear or feel some sort of click when I reentered.  Based on your description, I was probably in the 'etheral' body and not the 'astral.'

Thanks.

Razorback

Hi Nick.  Thanks so much for moving this post.  I knew it was in the wrong forum right after I had sent it.  I wasn't sure how to cancel or move it so I left it alone.

Since I posted this, I have done additional reading which indicates that artificially inducing vibrations may not have any effect but I am going to try it anyway.  William Buhlman seems to think that the vibratory state is caused by one of the chakkras opening up and this is a real possibility.  If that is the case, so much for artificial vibes.  I have also read lots of the old posts by Frank, Adrian, Jeff and others and have learned a lot.  Considering that I knew almost nothing a few weeks ago, it doesn't take me long to learn a lot.  I have decided that my difficulty in achieving the proper vibrations can be in one of two areas.  1) I am not achieving the "Body Asleep-Mind Awake" state as I feel that I am. 2)I am not concentrating properly on the 'brow' or 'crown' chakkras.

One thing I am having a problem with and I am sure that each and every one of you have also had the same problem.  How do I tell if the experience is a bonifide AP/OBE or simply a Lucid Dream?  From what I have read this is a pretty fine line.  Now, I can tell you, "Nick, I found this great restaurant last night which you need to check out.  Here is the address."  You simply grab your Atlas, jump in your vehicle and go check it out.  I can't tell you that I found this great location on Astral Level #6 (example) and that you should check it out, for two reasons.  1)  I wouldn't be able to adequately describe it and give you directions.  2) You couldn't duplicate it and go there.  Bruce Moen implies that he can go to any location of his choosing basically any time he desires.  There is a place he refers to as TMI/There which is an Astral location (visualized)where they all meet around the crystal to get charged up and then they go off to the "Planning Center" or other places.  Maybe a person can get it fine tuned to always be that accurate but reading some of Frank's old posts and as good as he is/was, he was not at that level.  Seems like everytime I find out something, I find that there are another few dozen questions.

Thanks.

Razorback

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

How does this topic relate to this forum?

It doesn't relate in the slightest.  Being brand new, I simply placed it in the wrong forum.  I realized that right after I hit the "Post" button.  Sorry if it offends anyone.