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#1
QuoteIf you can locate medical texts dating back to the 1940s and earlier you are likely to find that auras and the body's energy systems were accepted as part of the whole organism.

Sorry but this is totally wrong, I wish it was true, but it isnt! I have spent ages in libraries and online searching for the history of the aura, if we are talking about science and aura only a handful have ever taken the aura seriously. Kilner for example after publishing a book on the topic, the scientific community wanted nothing to do with him! It is very sad :(
#2
Furthermore more neuro scientists have conceded that the brain must be the receiver of consciousness not the creator of consciousness

sorry.. but this is total nonsence, can you name one neuro scientist or scientific publication that supports that position? The majority of neuro scientists are in agreement that consciousness is a result of the brain. We can;t start making things about about science.
#3
Thanks for that paper, I just read it. Basically when it comes to science of the Chakras this is what they said:

Quoteall chakra teachings, obviously belong to the domain of metascience (metaphysics). It means that they are based on revealed truths, which are necessarily expressed by an symbolic and metaphoric language.

The paper points out Chakras are metaphysical in nature and can not be scientifically proven, tested or detected as they are non-physical in nature. "There is no way to interpret scientifically the parts doctrinal teaching, which operates with non-physical entities."

We may aswell believe in giant flying invisible clowns then. This stuff is just a belief, not a "revealed truth" all religious teachings are  pointless they have no empirical foundation, no basis in reality. As mentioned if the Chakra existed then we should be able to detect it, so far there seems to be no scientific evidence not even scientific speculation on what its properties may be .. just "non-physical". Note how the aura or "biofield" in scientific terms has been tested by a handful of scientists and proven to be electromagnetic in nature ie it has physical properties - there is no such thing as a non-physical entity, even such things such as ghosts, apparitions etc etc are probably electromagnetic in origin or formed of some kind of matter and there is a deal of research that is testing this.

The new age folk may want to believe chakras exist, but until we have some scientific evidence, no point in believing in it. I will continue to search for a physical explanation, perhaps somewhere some obscure scientist has identified the nature or properties of chakras. 
#4
I have studied the idea of auras for some time and there have been a handful of scientists who have evidence for the existence of the aura or "biofield". However the idea of a Chakra existing seems to have no evidence whatsoever, no scientists have wanted to touch in this area.

I can not find one scientist who has tried to prove the existence of a Chakra. The idea of a Chakra appears to be a Hindu religious teaching, later the Theosophists picked up on it such as Charles Leadbeater and other occultists.

Basically does anyone know of any scientists who have any evidence for the existence of Chakras?
#5
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What is the "material laws" that we seem to think we know, aren't laws at all?  Perhaps they're not only easily broken... but they're not even standard or uniform across this reality.

I believe "Psi" (as you put it) to be those irregularities.

I don't think we need to question material laws, they have been confirmed as scientifically factual after extensive empirical tests and observations  for years. Material laws are not going to be broken and we are not going to ignore them just to account for some paranormal phenomena.

If PSI exists (And I do believe some it does) then there has to be a physical explanation otherwise it can not exist.

QuoteThis paradigm still claims objectivity which is not possible when it comes to psi, the paranormal or meta-physics and the "larger reality" in general, as different rulesets apply, which encompass and "overrule" the rulesets that we have here in our 4D-reality. Actually those rulesets are even the basis for the rulesets and reality we experience "here" in this dimension.

This is wrong in my opinion. As I said if PSI exists then it should be able to be explained physically, we don't need loads of different rules.

QuoteI think the paranormal is not the breaking of any physical laws. The paranormal is just the result of some additional still not known "physical laws".

I agree with that. But in some if not alot of cases perhaps some of these physical laws are even known. The majority of paranormal phenomena may be explainable due to electromagnetism for example.


Quotegood scientists such as Jahn, Tart, Schwartz, Sheldrake or Radin.

I think Sheldrake is a serious scientist, but the rest can be forgotten. Charles Tart seems to think none of PSI can be explained physically, he belives PSI is non-physical in nature, this is what has caused the downfall of parapsychology, the skeptics must love it, they can then easily dismiss PSI as pseudoscience. Schwartz also does not advocate anything scientific instead hes doing spiritual assumptions. I am not sure who Jahn is? Robert G. Jahn?










#6
I have started this as a serious thread to discuss the theories of how so called "paranormal phenomena" operates. What mechanism/s cause such events?

To those who are open to PSI existing. Which theory do you believe may explain PSI (paranormal phenomena) such as telepathy, clairvoyance, psychokinesis, near-death experiences or apparitions etc?

John Beloff a well known parapsychologist concluded that PSI occurs becuase of dualism ie the mind and brain are separate. Amit Goswami however in his book "The Self-Aware Universe", lists some studies on quantum physics that may lead to an explanation of psi that agrees with the theory of a nonphysical and conceptual world. He explains that in quantum physics, objects are not seen as definite things. Instead, objects are possibilities, viewed as something called "possibility waves". Of course his interpretation due to his research in quantum physics has lead him to formulate idealistic monism, that only consciousness exists in the universe and everything is part of it, he argues against dualism and materialism.

Others however have disagreed and put forward physical and materialistic theories to try and explain PSI.

Michael Persinger claims that much of paranormal phenomena can be explained by low frequency (ELF) electromagnetic waves.

Brian Josephson has claimed that the explanation of PSI may be found in quantum physics. Gerald Feinberg's concept of a tachyon, a theoretical particle that travels faster than the speed of light has been advocated by some parapsychologists who claim that it could explain some PSI phenomena.

Charles Tart however believes PSI is completey non-physical and does not operate to material laws.

There are many theories which try and explain PSI. Which one do you advocate and why? If any?

If there are some responses to this thread, I will post up my collected list of theories of PSI. I have managed to find quite alot. Theres everything from space-time dimensional theories, to electomagnetic, plasma, wave theories... and many others!