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So I am not really sure how this works-- I think I have an entity of some sort draining the energy of myself and my roommates. I Astral Project every now and then and I hope this isn't my fault that it is here... I have no idea what it is--but here is the story :

About 3 weeks now I have felt rather drained on energy and always having a slight headache on the right side. I thought maybe it was work or just stress, but generally something i can shake... now it started getting weird about last week when one of my roomates (who knows NOTHING about AP, spiritual realms, etc) said she felt like she just hasnt had any energy and had a constant headache on her right side for weeks..... the next day..my OTHER roommate..who also knows nothing about this sort of stuff(she considers herself athiest) said the SAME thing with no knowledge of mine or my other roommates condition.

Today my roommate tells me she had the worst dream of her life last night where she thought she woke up and this guy was watching her and started putting things down her throat....she was scared to fall back asleep and even woke up with a sore throat....

Based on pretty limited research(ie google) sounds like its some sort of vampire like entity?......i felt like I had to at least try to see if anyone could help just in case there is an entity causing this.... any advice..direction...or help you can offer I would really appreciate it..

thank you in advance...

-Ryan

edit--- i also went away for the weekend and I feel much better..this is my first night back in the apartment though---

So looks like I just gotta do it myself if I want to believe at this point--makes sense--i think im there--just need to keep practicing -- lots of fun either way!

Thanks everyone

two birds one stone..sounds efficient!

Hi all,

So I have recently found my path of the skeptic of this all.

I am fairly far down the rabbit hole and have had numerous successful LD's and possible AP's. I have even helped others experience LD's. However, the big piece I am currently lacking is the evidence i am in fact outside of my body / in astral / etheric / talking to guides.

What are some verifying tests you have done to prove, or at least find out when you wake up, if you were in the Astral/Etheric?

I can't put out of my mind the overwhelming possibility that it is all my subconscious creating it no matter how enticing the conversations I have with the entities are.

Thanks,
Ryan

Hi all,

So I am not sure if I was in a LD or in the Astral...(can we ever really tell?) but I was in my basement and there were two strangers there. They were not hostile or anything and I approached them and asked them if they were my guides. They said no, they are just occupying this space and carried on their conversation. I then asked if they could tell me something I can bring with me when I wake up that would help me get to the Astral --they said control your shift and then walked away like I was a noob bothering them haha...

Just seeing if any others have run across entities like this.

Thanks,
Ryan

I have not, but I have read you can.

I think for most people it is like finding a needle in a haystack...the size of the moon.... until one is able to control EVERYTHING they do, i don't think it is possible to meet someone in the astral unless you somehow both end up in the same place which i think is nearly impossible to do by chance.

Thanks. Absolutely correct and exact what i wanted to say. Luckily i was to lazy to write it.

It comes not out of nothing and has nothing to do with being in astral or not. And there is no unknown knowledge involved.

Here a example for that, what i mean.

Person 1 learned to view distance things with closed eyes (simple remote viewing).

The person 1 wants now to learn telepatic contact to herafter. Surprisingly can this person 1 already receive images on telepathic way from the dead contacted person 2. Why? Because supernatural images can be used for several purposes. Person 1 needs only to learn to receive voices.

Later wants the living person 3 to send person 1 a telepathic voice. It is not a contact to hereafter, but person 1 can already hear the voice.

Several basic abilities can be used for several purposes (hearing voices, seeing images,...).

If one knows the basic abilities, is the "construction" of a method easy. And it is no fairy tale, it is my own experience.The most of my supernatural abilities, including my remote viewing methods and contact to hereafter, are result of such "self constructed methods" and these abilities work.

This seems like a conundrum! If everything stems from something, then what did nothing stem from?

My son's martial arts trophies are in the room downstairs.
Now if you ask, I suspect the family would choose me over him to cook dinner.

However, I know there are people out there who can't tell the difference between expertly prepared flan and over-boiled mush.

I know I am in the minority with this notion but I prefer clear definitions and delineations along meaningful boundaries. Why and how this wave of "its all the same" thinking swept over the general consensus consciousness out there is beyond me. But it truly is a sight to behold. (and the Forces that are tasked with stagnating the growth of Consciousness are to be recognized for the efficacy of their ways).

Rudy,

I would not advise having your sons martial arts suffice for making dinner!

What you are speaking of on a high level is "specialty". So I think we are all actually saying the same thing, we are just starting from different "limbs" of the tree.

Let me know if this makes sense or is way more confusing:

                                                              Cooking
                                         Moving Hands<
                    Moving Body <                       Martial Arts
Physical self <                      ...
                    ...


There are many different levels not included in this, but in order to reach a certain specialty you must first learn the previous steps. I also think it would look more like a spider web with layers than a tree with branches, I am just trying to portray the concept.

To me that is a little like saying cooking and martial arts are not totally separate things. They both require discipline and skilled use of tools...

yeah, okay....



I understand the concept of " how to do a supernatural thing, which one has never done or known before" since I have somehow tapped into unknown knowledge while in the astral but that was spontaneous and just came outta da blue.

When we are in physical bodies talking about things that are different... they really are different.

P.O., please feel free to correct me, but this is how i interpreted what you said.

Rudy, martial arts + cooking are actually not two separate things. Moving your physical body is all that is required from both. The only difference is the output which is controlled by one's goals and intentions to control their physical motions.

However, when you are teaching someone to use their physical body, teaching one how to cook can in fact help them train to learn to do martial arts when the first thing you must teach is how to MOVE.

Forget about paralyzing your body.  This is automatic and shouldn't be focused on- just keep your attention on your conscious mind and look for clues that you're ready for the exit.

This is known as the Void or 3D black.  It's an area 'in between' astral planes (focus levels) and you can wait for something to appear in which you go to, and end up in an astral plane.  This is the 'astral proper', and not the RTZ.  It's possible you can go to the RTZ from there but I never have.


ps.  If you mean self healing from the RTZ, I'd say that's possible (and very doable) but remote viewing is done from the body point of view, and not while separated.

Re RTZ: Is boredom often something that needs to be fought off with this? Often I feel like I am too awake to do this, but from what I am gathering that is when you can enter the RTZ?

Re Void: Any trick to entering Astral from here? I've only woken up fully after entering the void. I explained it to my friends as being a consciousness within your third eye. When you are resting and "seeing your mind" with your eyes closed you are still a part of it, but the VOID is when you literally go "inside" your mind. That make sense?

Re RV: I should not have loosely combined terms like that. I basically meant to see things in the RTZ. My friend and I currently have boxes with an item in it to test our RTZ ability, so ideally I would get to the RTZ that has the correct item.

thanks for the replies!

CFT - I will have to try that. I have read about it and attempted it once, but I became (what I thought least) was too awake and I didn't think I was going to be able to paralyze my body and exit.  i just kind of left that exit method behind not thinking much of it, but seems like it can be used to enter a close RTZ level.

Rudy- Def put your findings here if you wouldn't mind. language is such a barrier when trying to communicate all this--- between different terms + lacking the words completely!

I think the closest I ever came to RTZ was when I was in a completely black area. Very similar to your mind BEFORE hypnogia... However, this was AFTER I did the "roll" out technique and I then had spatial awareness of this darkness. It really was like having my eyes closed. When I tried opening them however, I only opened my physical eyes.

But please do share how you were able to enter the RTZ--- i feel this is much more practical at this point. If i want to enjoy astral like realms I can always lucid dream(unless trying to contact of course), but if I want to work on healing and remote viewing, astral RTZ would be best.

or some books for getting to the RTZ?

Thanks for the replies!

I think I get it. So any tips on getting to the RTZ?

Hi All,

So I will try to keep this as short as possible. I THOUGHT I have been APing for almost half a year, but I think I have only been having false APs.

I lucid dream regularly, have a stimulated third eye, strong energy flow, and meditate, so I thought I was beyond the basics. However, I have become more aware of my APs, and I don't think I am APing at all.

My latest tactic which has been helping me remember very well is waking myself up from a lucid dream as soon as I realize it is a dream, then immediatly go back to sleeping but keeping my energy body moving. Often I can move my arms and legs, and many times have to "roll over" to get my energy head to detach from my physical head as I find that is the most difficult piece to remove from my body. I have been so aware during these experiences the last few weeks, that I think I really only go through the motions of leaving my body to end up finding myself in a Lucid Dream rather than the Astral Realm.

One example of how i know it is not AP is I have YET to wake up in my room after exiting my body( I moved about a year ago) I can even see myself sleeping on my OLD bed in my OLD apartment. Then things start to happen that only correlate to me and my past, and i find myself in a LD soon enough and not to the actual Astral Realm....

Any help would be greatly appreciated to stop these false AP's!

Thanks,
Ryan