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Is it possible to OBE without the rolling/pulling yourself out of the body?

I have been practicing for a while and get all of the symptoms but never seem to know when to try to get out of my body.  

Lately, however, when I meditate, I suddenly find my self flying with full control.  I have found myself in caves, over cities and lots of neat places.  Last night, I found myself hovering a a huge funnel shape object where the walls kept changing colors.  Very intense colors from the whole spectrum.  I was pulled inside and saw a person floating on the edge.  I was about to talk to him when my kid disturbed me and my eyes opened.  At no time did I feel like I was asleep.

What I am asking is, am I doing an OBE or am I falling asleep and having lucid dreaming?  I am in full control all of the time.

A couple of months ago I was driving home when suddenly I had a thought shoved into my head. I remember I was not thinking about anything, just letting my mind go blank(and trusting that I would be alerted if something was happening in the road ahead of me) when this whole theory of sexuality popped into my head.

I was just wondering what you guys thought of it. Please note that I am in no means any kind of deep thinker or philosipher so I know that this was placed into my thoughts.

It goes like this:

The human body, when it is created, serves only the physical. All emotions, desires and egos are contained within the spirit and much that is perceived as being learned at infancy is actually learned in a past life.

In the case of sexuality, this too is passed to a person by their past lives. But please note that in past lives you do not keep the same gender. Spirits are gender neutral and assume the sexuality of the body given.

In the case where a spirit has inhabited a female body for multiple journeys, then moves into a male body, that spirit may still remember being a female and may be attracted to males. The same is true vice versa. This is the cause for Homosexuality. The more lives the spirit has lived as a female, the more the spirit will think it is female, even though it is in a male body and vice versa.

If a spirit lives one time in a female body, then moves to a male body, the spirit may feel attracted to the opposite sex, but may have some intrest in its own sex.

Spirits who have lived in multiple lives as the same sex have true hextosexual feeling and no feeling for the same sex.

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Any opinions on this? I am still debating it myself...

If so, what can I do about it.

Several times that I have gone to bed, after meditating and just before falling asleep, I opened my eyes and saw a dark cloud decending on me.  I end up in total darkness and fear.  Several times I have felt things walking on my bed and my toes being pulled.

It is the sense of total darknes that scares me, or should I say the lack of knowing what is going on.  The toe pulling does not feal like there was any malice, as it is a gentle pull.  The walking on the bed feels like an animal.

Once I get over my fear, it just a matter of time waiting until the darkness disappears.

Any ideas?

I am not sure of where I am in my auric training, as there doesn't seem to be a clear definition of stages of development so I need to ask these questions to find out. I am classifying myself as an intermediate beginner.

Here are my questions:

1) When I try to see the auras of trees, I get a grey cloud effect, then a lot of tiny bright lights dancing around, almost like fireflys. Sometimes I get a colour but mostly bright white. Is this normal or am I starting to see the colors in a speckled fashion.

2) when I go outside in the sunlight I can see a three inch aura around inanimate objects which is clue by the surface and a light yellow/white at the top. Around people I see a very bright light blue. Are there any more colours around inanimte objects?

3) Sometimes when I am relaxing I see a large purple cloud around me which then fades and turns green then back to purple and so on. Is this my basic aura? I have not been able to see any other colors.

4) Often when I enter a room, it is filled with purple wisps and is often very dense to me. Is this the auras of other people or am I seeing my own arua.

5) When I concentrate really hard, I can see myself being coocooned in an ethric(sp?) body. The walls look like water and it covers my entire body. When I try to touch it my hand just goes through it. Colors rush through the walls in waves and I have seen the colors yellow, orange, red, green and violet. I do notice that the walls take on the texture of the background that I am looking at so I am wondering if I am actually looking at my aura from the inside or am I just seeing the reflection of the background by some eye function. Has any one else experienced this?

6) Does auric vision make your eyes more sensitive to light? I notice that I need my sunglasses more and more.

Sorry for so many questions but I really need to advance this and am wondering If I am on the right track. Any help would be appreciated.

 I was training my aura this morning by using the following link
http://www.thiaoouba.com/aura_eye_exercise.htm when something strange happened.

I was staring at my hand, watching the deep blue hue when suddenly I saw a wall appear before me which surrounded me.  It looked like a wall of water but had multiple colours that sparkled.  there was no overall colours but more like colour streaks.

Is this the beginning of seeing the full aura?

by the way, the site mentioned above is a great site for Aura training.  It works really well for me.

http://www.thiaoouba.com/aura_eye_exercise.htm

For a while now I have been able to progress toward an OBE with small steps.  I haven't had a full OBE yet but I am getting close.  Last night I had a strange experience.

I was lying in bed, with my eyes closed when suddenly I could see the entire room clearly.  I moved my eyes and the vision followed, so it wasn't a memory.  I thought to myself that I must of just popped out and tried the commands to float or tried to move but couldn't.

Then, out of nowhere, I fell something hit me on top of the head, hard.  The best way to describe it is like when a half inflated beach ball hits you.  It kinds of molded itself around the top of my head.  I could still feel it an hour later.  Though it felt like it hit hard, there was no pain.

Any ideas what this was?  was I reentering? was I opening my chakra? Did I stumble onto an AStral soccer match and got in the way?

Any help would be appreciated

KEn Mason

Has anyone tried this?

For those who don't know, vision quest are used to increase your spirituality by forcing you to be isolated for three or more days, fasting and focussing on meditation and praying.  It is supposed to help you OBE, amongst other things.

It is an old indian shamanism ritual and is supposed to work.

Ken

I am looking for someone to guide me in developing my minor gifts.  If anyone is interested in having a willing student please email me or let me know with this thread.

Here is my training technique on seeing auras.

first I sit in a room that is relatively quiet.  I use one that has a gray carpet with with walls.  It really helps when you have contrasting surfaces.

Hold your hand out so that you can see the carpet through your fingertips.  Then focus on the carpet, so your hand is out of focus.  Soon, you will see small wisps of smoke coming from your hand and a colour hue will develop.  As you stare at the carpet longer the hue will get bigger and more colors will appear.

With lots of practice, you should be able to do this with any part of your body or anywhere else.  I was able to track peoples auras in a shoping mall by simply relaxing my vision.

There are certain things to look out for.  If you get a white aura, this is a known physical thing with your eyes.  It is not an aura.  This is commonly seen by people who are tired and see a white border around people they are talking to.  There is actually a phamplet in my doctors office explaining it.

There is also a shadow effect when being unfocussed.  That is, two fingers will seem to merge and create a show around your fingers.  

The first sign is the smoky wisps.  IF these are present, then you are seeing your aura.

At first, I was only able to see about 1/2 inch.  Now I amd seeing close to 6 to 8 inches with lots of colors.

Ken

If we can see the aura off a person, would we be able to see the auras of a spirit ie ghost?

I was just wondering because I am able to see peoples auras almost immediately and thought nothing of it until I saw the same aura near a bookcase and another in the corner of a wall.  Am I just seeing things or am I picking up spirits close by?

For now I'm just thinking that my brain is just playing tricks but was wondering if anyone else has seen this.

Has anyone had any experiences where your pets react to you on an OBE?  I know that animals are sensitive to the spiritual side of things and was wondering if pets will freak out or hinder your travels.

I have a dog and two cats who are night creatures and are ofter just staring into space.(not all the time.  I would then have to afford a pet psycologist []

I was reading messages on the forum when I looked at my hand and saw what looked like smoke wafting from my fingers.  
I wiped my hand, thinking it could be steam, and noticed a blue hue in between my fingers.
As I stared longer, the blue hue grew all around my hand but was still kind of faint.  Then the phone rang and it disappeared.  Even now as I am typing I can still see the smoke like things coming off my hands.  Is this the aura I am seeing or is this some other phenomina.

are there any exercises or suggestions on how to detect aura's?  I use to think that the white outlines I see around people were auras but now I beleive it was just my eyes being unfocussed and seeing doubles.

hi,

I am new to these forums and new to finding my spirituality.  There is something driving me to find my inner self and I am interested in finding my spiritual guides and enhancing whatever gifts I have.

However, when I meditate there will always be a time when I come into the presence of an extremely bright ball of light that comes straight for me.  It comes within a few feet of me but the light is so bright I instinctively shift my eyes and it is gone.

When I am doing visualization, I often see it in the corner of my vision or at the peaks of mountains or buildings.

I have been told that this is my spiritual guide, of whom I want to meet, but I can't seem to be able to stare right at it and when I mov emy eyes it's gone.

Has anyone experienced this before?  any suggestions on how to make contact with my guide?[?]

I have only been trying tro reach my inner self for the last two months, and only recently full time, but have a few questions about what i am feeling.

One night, as I was meditatiing, I heard a very loud, ear peircing gaggle of people talking in my right ear.  I couldn't understand them and, as a reflex, I covered my ear and they went away.

After meditating, I also feel my body slightly vibrating, as if I was shivering but only on a mild scale.

Last night, after reading your forum, I meditated and said to float upwards.  Suddenly, I was flying faster than I ever have but in a darken area with tons of stars.  I did not experience the getting out of my body or anything else, but I was not consiously controlling myself as I would if it was my imagination.  It ended when I opend my eyes.  Was this a Lucid dream?

Any advice would be appreciated

my two cents worth,

In the spiritualist school that I am in, they ran intot he same problem.  advanced students were complaining that when they posted a question, they were inundated with junior students replying with other questions.  So the topic of an advanced forum came up.

The idea was to create an advanced board where advanced students could post questions for teachers to respond without the tens of responses from other students.  this meant that there was less time looking for the teachers/other advanced students answers and actually reading them.  the junior students would be allowed to read the posts to gain knowledge.  The PM's were available so that the junior students could still contact the advanced students for questions, therefore not segregating the students.  Also, the advanced students were asked to still visit the other forums to answer questions.

I would like to say that it did work.  It actually did two things.  It allowed the advanced students to get the answers they needed without weeding out the junior's questions and gave the junior classes more indept knowledge to learn from.  It also made teh advanced students less stressed out from weeding out "fluff"(as there was none) and giving them more time to search the junior boards and leaving questions they WANTED to answer.

In all, if you have a board where there is a high level of discussion, then there should be a provision that allows other viewers to at least view it for their own education.  Then, as they get enlightened, they can join the paying board.

As for those who can't pay but are experienced, then make the non-paying boards your realm and make it what it was.  Ask Adrian to make you a moderator and control it.

Ken Mason

I don't know if it is the same as yours, but today when I was practicing my Auric Vision, I was looking at the trees and noticed something strange.

When the aura popped up I noticed hundreds of white lights, moving in birdlike movements, in and out of the trees.  (faires come to mind).

Then I saw almost see through creatures moving in and out of the trees.  I could only see their movements and wasn't really able to get a good look at them.  I could see the portion of the trees blur as they passed by.

A question for you.  what are these bright lights?[?]

quote:Originally posted by crazy_colombiang

How many of you guys believe in the theory that the aura we suppose to see is the after image of the eye.
I have tried a couple of times and each time i do it, i only see the color blue. Then i move my arm and i see the after image so i am not sure.

I don't know what you are trying to ask.  Are asking if auras are real or after images?

I am not an expert but I have some experiences.  Yesterday I was staring at my hand when suddenly I was coccooned in moving sea of brilliantly colored smoke(for better use of a word).  The colors ranged from deep purple to orange to green.  The colors were intense and very sharp.  But when I lost concentration, the coccoon disapeared and I had no after image.  I was able to reproduce it by concentrating on my fingers again.

As I said in another post, (on a rant again), since birth we have trained our eyes to only see forward and have ignored our peripheral vision.  Our peripheral version is way sharper because we never use it and the cornea is not burned as is our forward vision.

When I fist started, I only saw the blue colors around my fingers and yes when my eyes shifted, I saw an after image.Why?  Because the brain uses the left eye and right eye seperately.  When we focus on an object, the brain will suddenly shift from one eye to the other, leaving an after image in one eye.  When we shift from one eye to the other we are changing perspective, or angle of view, and we see the afterimage of the previous angle.

The blueish hue that you are seeing is your astral body.  It is the first thing that we see when we look for an aura.  Then, as you concentrate and practice more, you will start to see smoke like colors rushing from your skin, then you will see the aura forming six inches off of your skin.

I currently see up to two feet off of my body and it is breath taking to see.  I have been practicing for three weeks straight, one hour a day and I know there is much more to do.

But I have to say that if you are seeing the blue tinge, you are doing it right and you will see yourself progress really fast from now on.

Sorry for the length of post.

Congrats on seeing the basic level of your aura.

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Well, I'm glad my information helped.

Just a last note, I will thell you how I came about seeing aura's.

The first time was when I was about twenty five and I was lying in bed.  I looked up at the ceiling fan and noticed blue and red colours rotating around the fan.  Thinking it was weird, I looked away and couldn't see them anymore.

Then last year I went to a funeral and noticed some people with a white glow around their heads.  I mentioned it to my brother in law, the resident know it all and he said that it was an eye condition that it commonly known to happen under stress.  I lost interest in it at that point.

A month ago I decided that organized religion was not what I was looking for and came here to find answeres.  I started to meditate and worked on concentration exercises.  Then one day, as I was reading from this forum, I thought I saw smoke coming out of my laptop.  Thinking my machine was on fire, I raised my hands only to find that the smoke was coming from my hands.  That was three weeks ago.

Now I can see my aura up to two feet away and it is spectacular.  I have been able to glimpse it on other people but just barely.  I still have a lot of training to do.

Simply put, I am not a gifted spiritualist, nor do I have a history of psychic abilitites.  however, I beleive that if you practise everyday for at least a half an hour, you will see the aura and beyond.

Hopefully this will come to you and everyone else.

Good luck

ok, I'll try not to be long winded.

Ever since we were born, we have been taught to see things straight ahead and not use the peripheral vision.  I remember seeing thing out of the corner of my eyes and my parents say that it was my imagination.  

Everything that I have read about clairvoyance and auric vision states that you will see it best out of your peripheral vision.  That is why I told you to look at the carper, not your hands.  You might want to unfocus your eyes a bit to see it better.

Peripheral vision actually is sharper than forward vision.  Maybe it is because we wear down that part of our cornea far more than the peripheral vision.

What you are seeing is the aura.  It always comes at first to one side and as you get better, it will appear all over your hand.  don't be impatient.  It comes with practice.

The next thing that you will notice is wisps of smoke(for better of a word) coming off of your hands or whereever you are concentrating.

As for the color, when you are a beginner, the color is always dim and not so bright.  that is because your eyes are still learning to see the colors.  As you get better, you will see much more clearer color and texture.

If you use the exercises that are on the link above, when you hold your finger and watch the cross you will notice that the aura around that finger will get brighter and brighter.  That is because your brain and chakras are evolving to your new ability.

Congrats on seeing your basic astral aura.  More is to come and it is truly amazing.

Actually, that blueish image is your astral body image.  Tell me, does it appear around the edges of your hands before you move your hand?  I'm on ICQ or MSN if you want to chat live.

quote:Originally posted by Sygmoral

@krmason: actually that is one of the first sites I've really used.  I once started just looking for "learning aura" or something in google, and this one seemed like the most serious one and I tried to do the exercises, but it was, like,.. not divided into steps enough. Also, I didn't know how long it would take before I would get any results...

Only a little over a week ago, I discovered this site and I think I like it more... I think I'll just try to do the whole N.E.W. guide and see if that changes anything to me, and after that, I guess I'll do the aura guide again.
Sygmoral

I use the site not to learn auras but to learn concentration, which is what you need for any of these gifts.  If ound that if you do the exercises for 5 minutes, your concentration improves immensly.

The easiest way that I learned to read auras was to find a floor/carpet which has a neutral colour.  Mine is grey.  Sitting comfortabley, spread out your fingers and look at the floor THROUGH your fingers.  You will start to see your aura.  If you have any question, or need a coach PM me.

Ken

quote:Originally posted by pod3

The link doesn't work. Maybe you were talking about this?
http://bioresonant.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/00443.4.5476446357

sorry pod3.  The second link in my message was wrong and I have corrected it.  The first link in the message works fine.  Thanks for pointing it out.

quote:Originally posted by gopherboy455

I believe you were beginning to see your own aura from inside it. on the second exercise were you able to see four purple fragments, or did it phase between the two?

At first I was phasing betweent he two, but after three days of about 5 mins each, I am now seeing the cross, though it still phases a bit.  I find tht though I was able to see some auras before I started this, this exercise really strenghtens the concentration needed.

That is all this exercise does.  It teaches you concentration which is vital to everything on these boards.

Hi Drepmore.  His instructions are a little vague but this is how it works.  Sit back and lift one finger toward the middle of both circles and stare at the tip of your finger.  The tip of the finger should be just below the bottom of the circles. You should see the two cricles merge in the middle.  Move your finger either toward the monitor or towards you until both circles are superimposed on each other.

At the start, they will alternate from red to blue, but if you pratice enough they will merge into a cross.  Also, you will notice that the two circles on the sides will have an auro around them as well as your finger.