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#1
Welcome to Magic! / Great Books!
April 09, 2004, 14:41:08
The Voynich Manuscript ... most excellent.  A must have for any true Magickians library in my opinion.  Why?  Because roger Bacon was obsessive compulsive and the Ms. is written in an obsessive compulsive loop.  Making it highly evocative, even if you don't know why until you go Astral.

 Crowley was a man, yes, and therefore a fool.  But all fools are wise.  If anyone believes this man was just a drug addled idiot, they need to read through his material again.  Better than he though are his 3 primary students.  A. O. Spare, Kenneth Grant, and John W. Parsons.

 Waite was a Christian fundementalist who intentionally translated magickal texts wrong, anyone who reads this mans work should do so for intellectual reasons only.  He was a bitter jack-butt in my opinion.

 Mathers and Levi are both good material, but too lop-sided for exclusive practice.  Okay, if you want to be a preachy broke-butt fruit seller though.

 The Necronomicon, whose author is Stephen Sennit by the way, is not a bad read either but I would suggest that if you find this material evocative you just read the Gilgamesh Epics and other Babylonian and Sumerian mythos.  Sennit and another dude named Staley have some interesting excrement floating around.

 John Dee's stuff is pretty interesting, I have just recently finished studying his material.  He should be studied with Crowley's material on Enochian, and Kenneth Grants Astral revelations.

 I also recommend the prophecies of Revelation, Nostradamus.  The Authurian Mythos of the Graal, the Edda's, and Egyptian and Sumerian mythology.

 I personally, do not share the dislike of the Left-Hand path I have noticed among many on this board.  I have followed it for many years to no personal harm.  Evocation does not have to be dangerous and can be highly enlightening.  I learned an organic approach to Magick while studying with the Hiada Indians on the coast of BC.  They teach an emphasis on astral travel, spirit communion, and the use of sex and drugs in magick.  I am 27, have practiced for the last 5 years and write for several online magazines regarding the subject and have been asked to write a book outlining my approach to the Great Art.
  The LHP has provided me with a comfortable life and ridiculous income which in turn allowed me to spend the last 3 years studying the subject I love exclusively, like taking a university course in magick.  The tantric's teach the best approach to sex magick in opinion as well as many useful avenues for the use of drugs to speed the intiates learning curve and experential knowledge.  An approach encouraged by AO Spare, Crowley, The Yaqui, The Hiada, actually virtually any Native Spiritual Path, the Tantrists, RA Wilson, Timothy Leary and many others.  I have a saying, that if you want to sit in your ghetto apartment in the Lotus Position doing your Anja meditation for the next ten years before you get meta-physic results, you go ahead.  I'll be the guy driving by in a Jag with two hot tantrik preistesses in the car.  The Christian belief that the true intiate is the one who sits in poverty suffering on behalf of the world and his/her beliefs is immoral.  And also the reason they do not take the nessecary steps to correct the problems they see around them, since the White Light will do it for them.

 The LHP was accepted magick up until the approach of the 13th century as far as Western Ceremonial adaptations go.  Up until this point the Inquisition, headed by the Bush clone Torquemada, had burned virtually any book which didn't advocate Levi's sickly preacher approach to transcendence.  The only reason they didn't wipe out the Christian Gnostics and the Alchemists, which they were beginning to do, was because at the beginning of the 13th century the Black Plague happened and decimated their power base.
 And trust me when I say the Alchemists were most definitely tripping their balls off.  I have studied this path as well, with great interest, and I know what they had bubbling in the Philosophers Cauldren.  The mixtures of acid and metal and other harsh chemical compounds, heated over flame in a small enclosed room, as per their instructions, would get you about as bombed as smoking some DMT while sitting over a open, slightly warm barrel of gasoline in a small room wallpapered in acid sheets.  Many of the Great purists, like Levi and other gnostics practiced this Art, as it was considered holy.  Keep that in mind.

Spider
#2
Oh for Jesus sake, man your not hearing me.  Negative/Passive/Female as opposed to Positive/Active/Male are polarities within magick and no system is inherently either, although most newer schools lean a little to the positive side, the older a little to negative side.

 Yes, yes, you stated they were negative. I stated you were wrong.  Which you were.  Destruction is an outcome, not a method.  If you have only chaos, in its purity, you have destruction.  If you have order, in its purity, you have stagnation and again destruction.  The various approaches to the Art can not be defined in these ways.  I prefer Linear and Non-Linear myself.  Logical or abstract.  Think philosophical in terms, they are more applicable to magick than religious terminology.

 As for Fotamecus, sounds like a Z-List experiment.  Personally, I have always prefered the Daoist approach to dealing with time, which is to experience every moment as the eternity it in fact is.  We got one Chronos already, and personally I don't like him very much.

 Whats your paradigm Oazaki?

Spider
#3
Well, you are off a little on a couple of points.  First off, 'negative' as in a polarity, as well as 'positive' have to be utilized within any given approach to the Art.  As well it should be noted, that negative or 'passive' energies are usually the least destructive, or easier to work with.  Chaos magic is a fairly positive or active system, but lacks distinct structures, which allows for both a beneficial space for personalization or enough rope to hang yourself.   As do most systems.

 Blood rites, aren't a system but rather an avenue to gnosis, which is nessecary in all systems.  None are inherently destructive unless you are inherently destructive.  Personally, I think chaos magic is a good place to start learning, but back it up by looking into as many other systems as you can.  Eventually, one day you'll realise you have accidently created your own.

Spider
#4
Welcome to Magic! / why latin?
April 07, 2004, 13:12:21
Hey crazy cats, I'm new here but thought I'd drop a missive.  Personally, I think latin is a particualrily well suited language to magick.  Its gramatical structure makes it difficult to obscure meaning within incantations and its lilt and structure give it a real poetry.  I have been picking up scraps here and there while researching the Enochian system and some of the older gnostic excrement.

 I think developing a knack for languange is important for the modern Practioner of the Craft.  I have personally translated many of the older resources myself just to better understand the motivations of the writer.  I have found several purposeful errors in many of Waite's translations, especially in the Grande Grimoire, although these errors are known it is tremendously difficult to find a corrected translation that doesn't cost ya.  A Goetic treatise he translated from Parisian french and intentionally screwed the translation to make sure that anyone using this demonic manual would bonk up the workings.  Even though this book was one of the tomes responsible for his fortune.

Spider