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yesterday I felt fine, no symptoms of sickness whatsoever, and I didn't drink any alcohol.  last night I woke up at 2 AM and projectile vomited for about three and half hours.  I'm pretty healthy, and besides food poisoning, which seems unlikely, I'm wondering if I could've been under some sort of psychic attack.  is it even possible?

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jonathan.soper
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I'm asking this question because I feel this forum is a place where we can have a frank and open discussion on the topic...

in days past, I have often meditated after "toking up" as they will say.  I found that I could hit deep trance within minutes, and it was very clear and enjoyable.

since then, my rides on the ganja train are few and far between, but I am curious about marijuana and if it would stimulate or suppress projection.  are there energy usage issues while being "high"?

and feel free to be honest, but open minded...


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jonathan.soper
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hullo all!

anyone else been to the high astral planes robert alwasy talks about?  I don't doubt ribert's stories, but I would like to hear aboiut this from other people's point of view as well...

thanks!

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jonathan.soper
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greetings to all!

I'm having a really hard time overcoming the torso energy rush that occurs in my projection attempts.  I think it's a matter of overcoming the sensation, but I just can't get my body to keep from tensing up when it happens, throwing me out of trance...

any suggestions?  anyone else have a hard time with this?

thanks!


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jonathan.soper
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ya-hey everybody!

my first question is this: how much time do you usually spend on energy development before making a first attempt at projection?  I feel like I've got a good handle on NEW, but I don't want to try projection before I'm ready.  it kind of scares me, to be honest.

thanks!


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jonathan.soper
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Hi all!

I'm new to the "NEW" system and OBE in general.  Just picked up "Astral Dynamics" and have been going through the energy development excercises.  I was just wondering - how long on average are you suppsed to do the primary stimulation and energy development before attempting projection?  I'd like to draw on the knowledge of the experienced projectors here. =)

thanks!


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jonathan.soper
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and then he uttered a very big 'oh...'

I totally forgot I took a shower while I was sick, and stayed sick afterwards... so it must not have been that...

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jonathan.soper
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well put, Tom...  I am jealous of Robert, but not in a negative way.  I think it gives me more of a drive to get to that point...

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jonathan.soper
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wow... didn't realize I butchered the spelling on that post...

I guess I would just be a LOT more interested in robert's accounts of the high astral planes if they were confirmed by someone else... like meeting people in the real-time zone...

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jonathan.soper
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lol grenade =)  at least I'm smart enough to realize that it causes memory issues... that's obvious... I guess I'm wondering if there's any way it actually helps...  probably not though, is what I'm guessing from the responses here =)


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jonathan.soper
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I find I can meditate in a lot of different situations... tonight, for instance, my friend was pulled over by the police for speeding, so I meditated while he ran his license... I also meditate on the bus or even while I'm walking through the park...  

the difference I see between this and trance is that it takes a certain environment for me to reach trance.  I usually have to have some incense, as a trigger, and a quiet, warm place where nothing will interrupt me...

I believe the difference is simply the level of trance you reach.  everyday meditation seems to be just the very light trance state...

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jonathan.soper
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I'm also having a problem with the rambling thoughts... I find that it helps quite a bit to think of a loved one, or a good friend, and try to imagine them standing in front of you.  build up the imagination of them bit by bit until you get the face in detail... see how long you can hold that and move on to the rest of the body...  usually though, by the time you get their face, you're all cleared up and can focus a little easier....

Julia's right... practice!  that's what I'm working on right now...

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jonathan.soper
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I've had those head sensations too...  feels like enormous sinus pressure coming from the top...  I shifted my point of awareness all around my head about an inch or two from the surface and it slowly panned out and the sensation passed down through my neck into the sub-navel storage center...

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jonathan.soper
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just today I had spontaneous vibrations in my right leg.  lested for a couple seconds and then went away.  haven't had any spontaneous full vibrations yet though...

I did manage to induce one case of the vibrations (I'm pretty new)... it felt like that "flutter" you get in the pit of your stomach, but all over my body.  is that right, or was it something else?

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jonathan.soper
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thanks guys!  hehe, atlas, I'd lay a bet on the name issue... I've had problems with this name before =)

I will try to concentrate on my NEW excercises a bit more... perhaps that will help work it out...

I'm still curious as to what it actually is... maybe a blockage of some sort?  I also smoke cigarettes, which I'm sure doesn't help at all...

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jonathan.soper
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