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Hey im cooler then freddy jackson sipping a milkshake in a snowstorm so i would have to coem back. Last night i had a obe and i died and my physical form died. Im back to tell you all taht my job in the physical realm is over... i must return to my home planet now.

After reading these forums im slowly starting to beleve that all a oobe is, is a dream we have more control of. Really whats the difference between a controlled dream and a oobe. WE can create stuff in both places, meet people in both places, have emotions in both places, gain knologage in both places. The reason we paralize and vibrate in a oobe is that because your body has never stayed aware when shifting through a dream world. When you vibrate and paralize that is your body slowly shutting down and you are ussually lost consiousness but when you aware your self of this you feel what you normally feel when your not awake. Trust me the spirit realm is when we die when we go to heaven or hell. This other place is just a more of a controlled dream. I hope not to hurt any ones feelings here but can any one reallly prove that the dream is our spirit realm that we just lose awareness in??

I always feel like somebodies watchinng meee. iam an average man with a average life, i work from 9 - 5 lol hell i pay the price, all i want to be is left alonnne in my average home, But why do i always feel like im in the twilight zone anddd i always feel like somebodies watchinnng mee, and i have no privacy, tell me is my oobe just a dream?? Am i just reliving a current oobe or am i just paranoiid, when iam in the shower iam afriad to wash my hair cause if i open my eyes id fine some one standin there, people say iam crazy just a lil nuts but maybe showers remind me of psycho to muchhh. After i have my oobe i dont know whos watching me, is the mail man watching me??  And i dont feel safe any more ooo what a mess, i dont know whos watching me now, maybe the IRS??? Please some tell me if my OOBE is just a dream?

We all know projectors are like super sayans compared to negitives. Are we fighting just weak negitives?? There has to be a boss or the baddest of bads in the SPirit world who commands the weak lil noobs. Also can a evil projector kill a good projector?? Can you feel in the spirit world such as pain if you can feel fear you can feel pain cant you??

In a oobe we lose are bodies and are brain takes over thats were dreams and oobes occur, Now iam thinking When you die we lose are bodies but our brain is still working. Now why do we take are brains in the grave with our bodies doesnt make sence? Where words can eat and destroy it. I say to continue on after death in a oobe sort of way is to save the brain after death as much as possible.

These are made up fabrications, Yes you can visit AP island cause of the ISland part, No you can not visit FF7 and other Ha Ho. These places are not real and the spirit world was created way before ff7 was a gleam in a nerds eye. Sorry folks Fictional worlds are fiction you can not Go to them.

I woke up and i was paralized before i was about to do what you have to do to have a OOBE something sat on my bed and got on top of me, it was a big grey demon looking monster it opened its mouth but still had its teeth shut the teeth looked sharp and pointer then any thing you can imagine. The body was slim and grey and the face looked like a skeleton, i was so scared i jolted my body out of the paralize to wake my self up. Can any one explain this?

hmm... is this possible and if so can we create the perfect mate in our minds?? would it feel the same?

lol sorry for topic, but iam so happy!! I am a projector!!!!!! Heres a little tip for easier projection, This may have been said before but i like to give a little heads up.  If you want to project much eaiser then sleep on your back or sleep on your stomach. I never can project by sleeping on my side or sleeping up. When i sleep on my back i project alot. Just a little heads up. Also If i Travled to space and saw earth and created a ki blast on the planet and destroyed it, then do i kill every projector on that planet?? sorry for posting so much iam just so into this projecting stuff.

Ok, Why cant we ever be greated in the Astral realm with a nice presence. In the Astral realm when i go under or oobe, It starts with a paralization and i cant move, Then i feel really scared and see wierd things. Like the thing in the brown robe with the hood. If iam a projector shouldnt it be scared of me? Also i cant get out of paralization mode. How do i leave it?? Every time i have a oobe iam paralized, is this a starting step to having a oobe at will or fly around?

We all here know the Astral world exist, The Astral world is the opposite of the Real world. There is good In the Astral world but what about the evil?? Can anything be destroyed in the astral world?? I have been thinking i beleve alot about god and i beleve in going to heaven or hell? but if our soul leaves are bodies why isnt it going there why is it going to these other realms?? LOl one last question can we create things in the astral realm with our minds or is it just like the real world Where we gotta make stuff from scratch?

I had this out of bodie experence i remember this was in the same day i moved my cd, last topic. So i drift back off by accident. I was so scared i didnt want to go to sleep but i had no control over it, suddenly i open my eyes or my eyes were open (cant remember) im in my room every things the same but i look to my door and there is this thing not to tall like prolly 4 - 5 feet in a hooded brown robe and it had no face it was just dark but in a brown robe??

I was laying in bed one day and out of no where i get a Oobe. This one was strange though, i have alot of oobes but in this one i could move my hand. When i was awake my cd was close to me in my bed so when i had my oobe i saw it on my bed to, i pushed the cd to the floor. I woke up the cd was still next to me?? Does this mean in another time or realm that the cd is actually lying on the floor??

wow i come back to the forums from a month and i find out that people can now see the future in a oobe... rofl. This is not possible.. Telling the future will cause one to stop deaths intervine. and we will all die of old age?? We can not see the future because the future has not come. But are we seeing the future of some one who already lived the past?? oobes are just dreams people.

The mind can only be controlled by the brain. You can only access your mind by the brain. Its like for example a videogame. Oh ya the videogame cd is right there take us to different worlds and stuff meet new characters, but before we can play the game we must put it in our console. the console being the brain.

Now when we die the brain dies. Meaning all thought is gone, The mind blanks out and then our soul can achieve heaven or hell. People listen to me... iam the golden one not robert.

astral society is better any way they dont cry like u guys do.

Ty jilola, all a oobe is and all the others you said are just advance ways to get rest and sleep.

and your cult leader robert is a fruit.

Ok i just had a oobe and to tell you the truth it felt more like a realm of sleep because when  i woke up i was refreshed and ready to start my day same as dreaming. Sorry guys but one day you will find the truth. Before we can go to the spirit realm at all in a sleep in a oobe what ever we must fully know the properties of the physical realm.

I think boats met micheal jacksons spiritual form []

Ok, maybe i dont know what iam saying is wrong or maybe i should just hit you guys in the head with a brick. Im NOt saying DREAMS AND OOBES ARE THE SAME THING, ALl Iam saying is dreams and Oobes share the same qualities as sleep. iam saying sleep branches to many different areas. Maybe a oobe is a advance form of sleep or an very advance dream.

I just dont beleve it branches to anything physical or spiritual.

quote:Originally posted by ImmuredSoul

Brainwaves and tempurature . . . that's why. While in an OBE, you don't really have all of that goody stuff going on, which helps you with the whole depression and everything. Really now, if you want to get into it, where's the proof that you exist. Are you really there, or just some misc. computer virus that had hacked its way into these boards and currupted the way people are starting to think? What's all this proof you're giving . . . 'cause, frankly, none if it is making any sense. Listen to yourself for a moment and think about what you're writing. I don't have any experiences with OBEs, 'cause I'm a slow learner and haven't gotten around to even trying to have one, although I do know some people who try/have accomplished them. Scientific study, somewhere out there, I am certain, will show you that the difference between the OBEs and the dreams are completely different. While dreaming, you have a temperature control, which tells you how long to sleep and everything, and in an OBE you don't, so you can go, I want back in my body, and you can go back there and get out of it. You could probably turn this around somehow by restating some of the carp you stated earlier, but how exactly can you think that an OBE is some form of a dream.

Hmm, aren't you the one who's trying to take over the astral world? [:O] He's only trying to get to us so that we'll have all these thoughts and doubts and be able to do things, and all sorts of carp.

Anyway, back to upness . . .

You're saying that you're wanting proof, and you're giving this "proof" and saying that some people's proofs aren't really proving anything. What I'm seeing is that their proofs and your proofs are pretty much the same thing, and depending on how you look upon it, you can draw your conclusion. A sway of the mind. Back and forth. [xx(] I've made myself dizzy.

What's pulsation? Is it a form of vibration? A mind trick? Could it possible be just my mind telling me that I need to go to sleep . . . [|)] yes . . . sleep! sleeep! . . . I SAID GO TO SLEEP! Is hypnotism some estranged form of an OBE that the mind goes into a sort of shock or something that you become in a state where things can be said to you and they'll be programmed into you . . . [!] You made me puffy!

Now I'm a contradictor here, so I'm going back and forth . . . A theorist . . . hehe I'll find myself back in a moment . . . Somebody earlier, not in this topical thingy, had stated something about premonitions and such really being telepathic messages going into the mind and carp, so why can't Sctt be right about what he's saying? If what's really going on is that magnetic waves are being transferred through a telepathical state that our mind decides to wander off into this place or that without our physical/spiritual body.

Oh, and Sctt, you say that your spirit can't leave the body until you're dead . . . read revelations . . . how d'ya think he still lived afterwards?

Ooh, I'm back. All right, not saying that you're duplicating your spirit is another thing. If, in fact in an OBE, you can create things, which not a duplication of your spirit, or of your body that nobody else can see, unless they're astrally there and carp.

Yes, I do believe he's just trying to gain control of the astral!

[] I'M INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! []

Wow i dont know where to begin ok well start off with this... I never said dreams and oobes were the same thing i said a oobe is a advance formation of sleep. which will automatically make our bodies respond different then a oobe.

Also if your referring to HE as jesus well, Jesus wasnt 100% man was he??

SO iam awake why must i be unconsious to have a oobe?? why cant i have one when iam fully aware and wantto come out of my body. So to really have one i need to some how use or still be involved ith sleep. So even if it is spiritual. OObe is still a form of sleep.

quote:Originally posted by Blackstream

quote:Originally posted by Sctt859

you dont understand though. If our soul leaves are body it is because were dead. If our soul/spirit wanted to excape the earth wouldnt it do so and never plop back into the phyisical form. It is siad that our bodies are the souls prison. It is never to be let out till we lose all consiousness in mind and body.  I beleved in oobes too but then i got to thinking what would happen if dreams had other realms too.

If you had read Robert Bruces book you would have seen his explaination about how we can leave our body.  Our souls don't actually completely leave.  We go through a process called splitting ourselves where we become in effect two people.  One stays behind in the body, the other goes off adventuring for awhile.  Usually the one that stays behind falls asleep and has dreams, while the one that goes ahead has astral adventures.  When the adventurer returns and becomes one again with the soul, memories are integrated into one.

Robert Bruce btw has also verified this theory by looking at himself.  He projected and looked at his body and both his projected double and the one that stayed behing in his body looking around with real time sight saw each other and both had a separate set of memories for awhile until they reintegrated.

Then how come if this is true that dreams are more frequent and much more stable then a oobe is if we are the spirit. We should be the ones who fly and report about the spirit realm. Why is my spirit being controled by some one else if iam the one having the dream?? If me and my spirit or which ever is seperated. Then whos the real sctt859 me or the spirit? Am i just a dupe then?

Lets not forget also there are hidden realms in the phyisical realm too such as bremuda triangle. And no other realm has more realms then outer space its self.

I also beleve oobes ar not meant to be practiced. Somethings are best learned off of when the time is right and having a oobe by accident is forgivinged but making the soul leave the body at will seems like you are doign something against god.

Maybe there is a advance realm to the oobe too. SLeep is just like the ocean. It will take life times to uncover all its secrets and limits.

you dont understand though. If our soul leaves are body it is because were dead. If our soul/spirit wanted to excape the earth wouldnt it do so and never plop back into the phyisical form. It is siad that our bodies are the souls prison. It is never to be let out till we lose all consiousness in mind and body.  I beleved in oobes too but then i got to thinking what would happen if dreams had other realms too.

I mean the dream can be a real place to our soul visits how do we know??