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I'm intrigued by this "knowing" both of you mentioned. I wouldn't mind reading more about it, and how to develop it further.

Hello,

First of all, I am posting this on these forums because I want the perspective of those who have an open mind to spiritual matters.

In the past few years, I have noticed a certain physical reaction during certain conversations. Whenever I get an almost "predatory" vibe from the person I am having a conversation with, my core (the area around my heart) starts shivering, just as if I were freezing. The person could be a perfectly respectable member of society, or even someone I generally trust, but I just get a bad vibe at that particular moment. It's as if I'm sensing that the person wants something from me or has ill intentions.

Does anyone get that sometimes? I ask because I didn't use to react physically that way. I guess I know fully understand the meaning of getting "shivers" around someone, I never knew it was literal.

Telos - No, photography doesn't really interest me that much, although I do enjoy looking at other people's photographs of scenery.

Orro - Everyone has an inner-child as far as I know.

Everyone Else - Guess I'll try working on it, wish I was more dedicated though...

Electronics, spying, spirituality (I am here after all), video editing, creating music, etc.

J.K. - When I think childhood, I think negatively. I'm not saying it was horrible, but I wasn't a happy child at all. So to try and find an image of it or associate myself with it is quite a challenge. Doing so wouldn't make me feel good, it would make me feel bad. I'm kind of embarrassed of it, to be honest.

Telos - That's the thing. I don't have a lot of interests. Well, I do have a couple, but I wouldn't say that's what will drive me in life, they are hobbies.

Naiad780 - That might certainly be part of it. Almost every day I have negative memories of events from the past popping in my head, and it does beat me up. BTW - If you would ask me to tell you about a positive event from my childhood, I'd have a hard time finding one. Ask me negative ones, and we could talk about it all night. Please share what you had in mind.

A little background on myself, I am a young adult who has been bummed out for a while now, emotionally or mentally I have no more energy. No motivation, no drive, no passion, no self-confidence. I pretty much prefer staying at home in my "safe zone", I hardly try new stuff out, and when I do, it's usually an unpleasant experience that involves stress, anxiety, negative thoughts, pessimism, etc. I only really try new things when I have to, otherwise, I'll just stick to my comfy zone, thank you very much.

What can be done about this? How can I find my drive? I suspect I have deep wounds from my childhood that are holding me back, but what can I do about that? Or maybe it's something else? Nothing is motivating me, and very little in this world interests me, but then again, my horizons are limited.

Help?

Does anyone else get this? When trying to project, my eyes often roll all over the place. In my case they both seem to roll towards my nose, and they keep trying to roll further than they can, which can get a little painful. Is this normal? Anyway to stop this?

Has anyone ever got to a point in their life where nearly everything turns bland, you're fed up with nearly everything, you lose most of your interests or certain interests weaken, nearly everything seems pointless, you lose your drive and just feel like parking and not doing anything to advance anymore? That point where, regardless of your physical age, you feel old and tired in the inside? That point where you feel as if you have pretty much nothing to lose and just don't care anymore? Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

Would you agree that this period is common for people between 18 and 25, where they lose their drive and have to find it again?

Last night, I read some permanent astral topics for a while, and then tried to project. First off, I tried feeling myself on a hammock that was swinging left and right, higher and higher. That didn't work very well, so I stopped. I then tried the "body asleep, mind awake" technique with my breathing. I then tried the rope technique to exit, but didn't quite make it. I then tried the triangle technique, and got to the 3D blackness fairly quickly. I even felt my head *sort of* exit (not sure), but I was still aware of the rest of my body. I was also very aware of my breathing, and I had to control it which was very distracting. Maybe I didn't do the "body asleep, mind awake" technique long enough? It gets harder and harder to focus on it as I get further along. Any tips?

I'm still feeling skeptical about these OOBE's and astral projections. According to the descriptions of astral projections on this site, I've been really close to "getting out". However, that doesn't prove anything to me, it might just be my brain, which, by the way, is something we don't fully understand yet. It's a very complex organ that could very well be capable of producing powerful hallucinations, making some people believe that our "astral body" is leaving our physical body.

Don't take my skepticism as hostility, as I simply curious to know how believers reply to some very good points brought up by non-believers. I am personally undecided as far as this question goes, I'm trying to make up my mind.

For starters, if we really do have these 7 different bodies (astral, mental, etc.) or soul, where do they come from? When does a new-born get these other bodies or soul? What about clones? What about cloned organs?

Please let me know what you think

This is odd, I've had my usual weekly glass of rum & coke, but tonight, it ain't giving me that same feeling of physical comfort it usually gives me. This time, I feel some dizzyness and a bit of nausea, and I don't like it one bit. I started developing my mind & spirit a few days ago, could this be the reason why? Could it be that my body suddenly rejects caffeine and alcohol because I started being aware of my third eye and trying astral projections, or is it totally unrelated? I've always felt a bit of rejection when it comes to alcohol and caffeine, but I didn't see the harm in the occasional rum&coke glass.

Well, I think I'll be skipping the rum & coke next week...

To be honest, at first I thought everyone talking about these astral projections was either just dreaming the whole thing or flat out lying. But these past few days, I have been getting in contact with my inner self. When I was young, I always wondered why approaching   something to that spot between the eyebrows made a unique sensation. I didn't thought much of it ands just assumed it was a more sensible part of my body. However, I have been reading about the third eye and astral projections recently, and a lot of it makes sense.

The other night, I was in front of the mirror and suddenly entered this trance and started gazing at the reflection of myself. It's hard to describe, but my sight started getting blurry, and then these colors started appearing around me, and this second face started sliding off my physical face. This other face was rather grotesque, so I just eventually stopped. What does it all mean? Why was this other face grotesque?

Yesterday, I decided to try this astral projection I've been reading about. I went to bed, and started feeling myself falling like a leaf when I exhaled, and stop when I inhaled. Eventually I was deeply inside of mind, so I started climbing this rope. It was hard not to imagine it, but I tried my best and just felt myself climbing a rope in pure darkness. Eventually, I started feeling my body tingling, and my heart was beating faster and faster. Then, my body was vibrating, so I knew I was on the right track. I felt my third eye was getting involved. Unfortunately, I couldn't get past that point since the rope was harder and harder to climb. This obviously requires a lot of concentration.

Now I am motivated to practise all of this further. I do have a few questions for those of you who are more experienced with all of this.


1. When I was gazing at myself, the colors were rather weak. I am not too happy with my life, never have been. I recently started working on it though. Do these colors have anything to do with it?

2. Why was this other face grotesque?

3. When climbing the rope, should I feel I am dragging weight, or should it be easy, as if I am a weightless being?

4. Is it a good idea to feel myself climbing a rope in darkness?


Thanks for the help.

Everyone seeks happiness, in whatever form that may be, but we each have different paths we must take in order to get there. As you get the older, the way to get there will become clearer. Sure, you may take a few wrong turns along the way, but you learn from your mistakes and can always turn around and try another road.

We do have limitations, but that's what makes it a challenge, and that's what makes us learn along the way.

[I don't know what is planned for us once we die, but I do believe there is a purpose to life in the physical realm.]

That is just your idea of what is planned and what todo here in physical reality.

I don't know what is planned for us once we die, but I do believe there is a purpose to life in the physical realm.

Its like beeing in a prison and you want to get free, you find a way out but people on the inside holds you back saying that if you leave here without spending your time in prison you will get punished.

Yes, you can conform to a prison and live a decent life in there, find some rat to play with and have a good life in the prison, lift weights and sing songs.

Well that's just how you see things I suppose... You see the body as a prison, I see it as a temporary vehicule for interacting with the physical world.

But you are still locked down and cant move the way you want to.
You want to have more freedom and to express your unique personality in greater perspective than in a world full of zombies that just want live by the society norms.

I agree, we do have many limitations, and we all play a role in some form. Nobody is acting like it's true self, i.e. the higher self. You can try to, though. Stay true to yourself as much as you can.

Some people have a focused goal on what they want, and that might be to not accept their present place they are at and move on and find their place they where looking at in the first place.

You can move in the physical, there is a whole world ready to be explored.

I dont see anything wrong with taking your own life.
Its just a choice.
And i personally dont see any idea of beeing here in the physical at all, its a waste of energy.

Again, I don't think we are here just to waste time, we are here for a purpose. Taking your life is a choice indeed, but it is a final one, at least for the physical realm.

But for me, i have something i have planned todo before i leave, but thats me,.. it looks like this dude dont have any and i accept his choice.

This person isn't even a responsible adult, yet you accept h/is/er decision? Bad idea. Suicide is final. Take it seriously, don't just say it's "just a choice" when you don't even know for sure what awaits us in the after-life or why we are even here.

And btw, you can still visit the places you want to even tho you have a physical body in your pocket, its called astral projection and dreaming.

For all we know, that could all be a product of our unconscious. Don't see astral projecting as the big picture, focus on your temporary life, it won't last forever.

quote:Originally posted by LogoRat

Its nothing wrong with feeling the way you do man.

Um, yeah, there is. I believe we all chose to live on a subconcious level, or at least we all have a task to complete in our lifetime. I do not believe life is meaningless and we're all here just to take crap. Killing yourself is just counter-productive. If you really want to kill yourself for whatever reason, why not stick around a little longer and try new stuff out before you go? You've got nothing to lose, since you do want to end it all. There's no turning back after you've killed yourself.

I say don't take life so seriously, just try and enjoy it as much as you can, but at the same time be responsible and think about other people. Some have mentioned this, but if you look at the big picture, we are all connected, so consider others before acting. If you kill yourself, you'd be dumping your crap on people who care about you, don't forget about that. Don't let your ego take over. Although it does serve a purpose, it shouldn't be completely dominating you. If it is, you have a lot to learn.

quote:Originally posted by gravy

I've considered suicide and I'm perfectly happy.

That seems impossible to me. If you were happy, why would you want to end your life, i.e. take a risk? Who truly knows what awaits us in the after-life, for all we know, we all end up in some sort of hell. I don't believe what you said. I suspect you are not actually happy if you considered suicide. Maybe you don't know what happiness is? Not everybody does IMO, or maybe some just forget.

If you want to kill yourself, something isn't right in your head. Fix it. I'll be honest, I've considered suicide before, but that's because I was depressed back then. I felt no happiness, I only felt pain in my mind, so I wanted to end it. What held me back? Knowing the pain I would leave behind for those who care about me. I would be pretty much dumping my pain on them and saying "Bye bye, I'm outta here! Enjoy the pain and suffering, I'm off to the after-life now!". Sounds kinda cowardish to me. It could happen again, I could end up entering another depression phase. But I just don't see it happening, because I realised that what I needed to do was step up and force some change, which I started doing. You can't stay in the same spot forever, you gotta keep moving. I'm in the process of turning my life around. I'm slowly starting to experience new things. I truly believe that's the key to live, keep moving. Don't like where you are? Leave. That's the beauty of independence, you do as you want. Independence is what I want the most, which I suspect is the reason why I was unhappy as a child. I always wanted to be a perfectly responsible adult. Well, I'll make sure I get to that point. It's my goal. Then I'll be able to fully enjoy life.

Masturbation isn't that different from having sex when you think about it, and I don't believe that you lose any more mental energy than if you were watching a movie, all you really lose is physical energy. The health benefits are there, and men were obviously "designed" to regularly release some semen so you should jerk off if you're not having sex. You people aren't seriously suggesting that men shouldn't be jerking off, are you? I mean boys eventually find out about it naturally that's it's plesurable to play with their penis, and I believe they find out with or without any outside influence, so I would say that masturbation is just as natural as sex. Besides, if you aren't jerking off or having sex, your body will release semen while your sleeping eventually.

Interesting topic. A few years ago, I was sitting in school, bored as usual. For some reason, I started randomly drawing on this mole with my pencil, and kept going at it. Few days later, it was almost completely faded away, much to my surprise. I didn't know that drawing on a mole would do anything, I just did it out of boredom. Maybe I should do it again. It works, so why not.

Does this mean that moles are related to something negative, or am I not understanding this? Personally, I never found moles attractive, in fact I have always found them rather repulsive. Hmmmmm.....

I have a question - How obvious will it be once I'm out? After trying the triangle technique, at one point I felt that my head was out, but I could still feel my physical body and it was dark. I thought that the physical body was no longer felt while projecting, am I right?

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Woah, depression is not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about a period where I just feel tired inside and want to stop. Depression is nothing like that. I've been depressed before, so I would know.

jc84corvette, what's an LD?

*Playing devil's advocate*

How is this is all proof? It could all be a product of your subconscious.

Not to be mean, but I wouldn't want this thread to turn into extreme activities suggestions...

Thanks for the replies. I had the feeling this was common. [^]

I have been resting for a few months now, and I am now starting to feel that drive slowly coming back.

No, I don't have a girlfriend. I haven't been trying to get one either, in fact I only tried once when I was 15 (and got close, I grabbed her attention, but she already had a boyfriend). I wonder how different my life would be if I had succeeded? Regardless, that was years ago. I don't feel ready for a relationship right now, and I don't know what I would have to offer at the moment. So I guess I won't pressure myself into that one. It will happen when the time comes.

I do feel like trying extreme stuff like jumping off a plane with a parachute, so I might go ahead and do that.

I have been trying to do some astral projecting (hence the reason I am here posting). I want to see if there is something beyond this physical realm. I doubt it though, I get the feeling it's just a product of our subconscious. I'll do some meditation as recommended, but I am still curious about astral projecting and OoBE.

I've been thinking about going on a trip by myself, or perhaps volunteer myself to help out in a country in need. Would this be a good idea?

Thanks, I'll give it another shot tonight and see how it goes. I can't stop now that I got so close [^]