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You see, I'd consider christianity, islam and judaism to be eastern religions since christianity originated in palestine, judaism also in the mid-east and islam originating in arabia, and being ultimatley restricted to eastern countries. I see though celtic and germanic mythology like odinism, asatru, to be western religion (not slavic or mediteranian, that's eastern).
Reincarnation is in celtic and germanic mythology and religion, on account of celts and germans/nordics being indo-european. Egyptians to had aryan hindus in their royal families which is where I suspect reincarnation in egypt to come from. Greek and Rome where at the centre of trade, they were not able to create culture but able to preserve it. They would have obtained concepts of pranic energy and reincarnation from trading with indians and egyptians.
Reincarnation in judaism and early christianity however, is non-existant.
The jews beleived that sheol (death, the grave) was the ultimate destination for all peoples after death, christians beleive through salvation eternal life is acheived, other wise death, and then the lake of fire when judgement day comes.

Beserk I think you are being unfair to kalrarti. He's a hindu so he's not a new ager. I've noticed you have been bringing up the new age religion in all your posts. I like your first ones about reincarnation and other mystical concepts not being in the bible but the rest of it seems like you're just trying to attack new age, like you really have something against it.
I don't think that not liking christianity is uncharateristic of hinduism. I'm sure there are plenty of hindu's who don't agree with the christian preception of the divine -- the trinity and through the son being the only way to God. Rather the hindus see many different gods and godesses as avatars of devi or brahman and reverence of chosen avatars will bring salvation. Others see the immense similarity between krishna and christ and consider christ to be a saviour figure that hindus can embrace as a means to the divine and salvation.

You can use a glass as your planchette, although that might be to big for a retail board. You could cut a planchette out of some card or some type of thin wood, if you don't find the retail planchette.
It's easier to do it with other people. The ideal amount of people is 2, you and one other. I used to think it was around three because I tried it with 2 and it didn't work. But it worked later with 2 although with a different person. So it may depend on the person whether you can do it with 2 people or more. Doing it with multiple people might act as a sort of psychological comfort. Sometimes you can sort of be a bit disturbed by it. Not everyone will experience this but some will. And obviously its better if you have other people there if it does start to disturb you or worry you.

Show me a qoute of mine which directly says I worship demons.

There's nothing wrong with a psi ball --- its just a compression of psi or ki or chi or whatever you want to call it into a ball, it isn't too hard to do but its pointles. People who tell you its nonsense but claim to be some authority on magick obviously do not even understand the most basic concepts of harnessing and directing of acausal forces.
Remember to be an individual with your own, indepenant, free thoughts and will! Don't swallow everything everyone tells you. It's best to learn from experiences. The most common thing you're going to get is 'Do not send out harmfyl forces! twill come back to ye three fold! tis the law of the systers of karma!'. You're obviously not going to swallow everything a christian fundie throws in your face so apply the same logic to mainstream magickal paths -- like wicca. They might parade themselves as an infallible guide to magick -- and just everything in general    but there are many other paths and you have the choice of which you want to follow. You might also notice that free thinking and associated attitudes are quickly labelled 'chaos magick', which is made out to be an evil and aweful thing by those trying to force their beleifs down your throat.
Listen to those who tell you *how* rather then why or what to beleive.

You shouldn't really take it so seriously, or be really fearful of it. Try and stay control, you don't want it or the spirit controlling you. In other words, don't be all frightened of tinkling it off. If it is spelling out nonsense all over the board or is slowly trying to spell something out (spirits or whatever they are seem to be tragic spellers) and are doing a terrible job then just stop talking to that spirit. Don't always ask if IT is happy to go. If it says 'no' you're bound to ask it something like 'do you have a message for us', and if it keeps on spelling out nonsense at excruciating pace then just move the planchette to 'goodbye', then you should probably all say good bye at the same time whilst taking your fingers off the planchette in sync. Make sure everyone who takes part has a firm head on their shoulders. I've done this with people who just start freaking out over it, whenever I was commenting on how the spirit was just spelling out nonsense or moving at slow speeds, as though it was going to all strike us dead. Then you're just treating the spirit or whatever it is like it is boss. When a neg encounter happens on the board (negative encounter) you'll have to treat it like it is a joke and just ignore it, insult and belittle the neg (the perpetrator of a negative encounter). Getting really angry or scared is just giving it what it wants. If its saying scary things then it probaby wants to feed off fear, so once you react to it you are not only giving it what it wants but putting yourself under its control. The necromancer needs to be the one who is in control.
I'd say when you're do this have one person who is the necromancer and a few accomplices. Make sure these accomplices are level headed and know about this and what they are doing. You don't want to take a bunch of idiots into this. I've been in a seance where one person 'doesn't want to do this' and was getting all distressed and worked up with it from the beginning. They were putting themselves in the submissive position and were scared of what the spirit might do if we said something it didn't like. These sorts of weak links are just asking for trouble. Especially if the planchette is moved by subconscious forces. This person even started hitting me when I said things the person was afraid would tinkle off the spirit. Eventually a spirit told us 'you are messing with the devil'. This was princess diane or an entity which answered to her name. I started to ask if it was reffering to anybody in particular and more inquiries. The 'weakest link' basically was hitting me frantically at this point so the planchette moved swiftly to goodbye. It was likely this was the work of subconscious forces.
Asking to speak to 'princess diane' or other dead celebrities is probably a stupid thing to do. Superficially its silly, but also there is no telling if you are really talking to this person or not, especially with a dead celebrity. You're more better off talking to someone who is discarnate like an elemental, an ancient spirit, whatever. Maybe a family member. But with the 'dead celebrity syndrome' (pretty much all of my accomplices have suffered from this   ) they'll most likely be to scared or have a 'I don't know if its a good idea' attitude or even say its silly. As opposed to talking to kurt cobain to ask him about his feelings for courtney love so you can go aww thats sweet? embarassing for anybody over 12.

Smart words for someone who claims to worship demons. Anime Freaks vrs Demonizers, hmm, that's an interesting picture.

Let's just say we are all wierd and leave it at that, I am getting tired of seeing all this fad accusation when there really is no reason for it.

Worship demons? I do not and have never claimed that. Now, I'm not going to have a go at you for claiming to speak to the biblical arch angel micheal who tells you about the secrets of the universe, so why have a go at me?
By the way, what the hell is a demonizer?    I think the word you're searching for is demonolateror    that I will have a go at you about.

All good and well but calm down a little.
Sitchin is proven to be bunk by scientists, biblical linguists, people trained in the ancient languages sitchin claims to know and just anyone who keeps a firm grip on logic whilst reading his books.

oh and by the way, would you care to elaborate on what the vision of the human slaughterhouse explained?

Of course,
that site contains alot of truths. The way they go about presenting that information is not what I agree with. It's too dogmatic, almost like its trying to brainwashed its followers. In order to brainwash someone they need to be weak -- and there's a direct contradiction of satanic philosophy and what a satanist is already.
Angels submit totally to 'jehova', 'yahweh', whatever you wish to call him/it. Personally its obvious to me that 'yahweh' is a reference to the four seraphim, the higest ranking angels. 'yahweh' the word itself does not refer to a single being at all but indeed 4. I beleive lucifer was once a part of the seraphim, perhaps even the leader, but obviously is not anymore and has been replaced. Lucifer was and is a proud and beautiful being. He is proud because he is strong, feirce, confident, beautiful, intelligent, wise and ancient. He is the ancient dragon. He was a strong willed individual. The qu'ran says that when 'allah' wanted Satan to prostrate himself before adam and humans. Satan refused where as the other Angels all prostrated themselves before man. They bowed down meekly to it because it was a creation of 'god', made in the image of god --  they bowed down to it because they were and are totally dedicated to brainlesly serving and submitting to yahweh. Islam literally means 'submission', it requires that week submission and total surrender to 'allah'. Submission as a recurring theme in islam can help you understand their version of the story of Satan. That Satan refused to submit to something just because it was created in the image of 'allah', just because it was associated with him, it means that he was very proud and did not want to bow down to anything, he didn't want to lower himself weakly to something pathetically. That does not mean that he wanted humans to bow down to him, however. He wanted them to be proud, feirce and confident individuals like himself. For Angels to be so meek and submissive they would have to be quite emotionless and drone-like. That helps you to understand Angels, they are just like vessels at the command of their leader, emotionless and drone like beings. They want this sort of submission and weakness, abandonment of the individual. If they are emotionless and completely under the command of their leader, mere vessels, then they will have no problem with performing things like mass slaughter.

That's only for spiritual satanists ie people who read the joyofsatan.com and thought this is cool I think I'll join the e-groups, + the high preists.
Personally I think a guardian demon is very different to a spiritual guide for a person who follows new age or the right hand path.
Most of the guides for these people are meant to be angels, archangels and other beings that are totally different to demonic entities.
But, the joy of satan does regard the demons to be good guys who are their to teach and guide humanity, and they regard the angels as evil people who feed off the energy of their followers and ulitmatley want to destroy humanity. So obviously what their perception of an demon is is different to how you and others would perceive a demon. Its basically how you would perceive an angel, more or less, and how they perceive angels is how you would perceive demons. They basically are what we might call 'reverse christians'. Taking everything and flipping it around. They even admit it themselves, when talking about the upside down cross as a satanic symbol they say 'this symbol represents that everything is reversed, hell is a paradise, heaven is a torture chamber, the angels are evil, the demons are good, satan is the saviour, jehova is the true devil etc'. Whilst I don't agree with any of that really I respect their path and their way of thinking and I do not wish to defame them in anyway or be of hostile approach to them. It is up to each individual to decide what they think about different people, groups and path. I am simply expressing my own personal opinion and feelings. But I do not mean to disrespect them.

[AryanKnight try searching the ACTUAL bible scriptures, alot of the bibles been changed.]

AryanKnight try searching the ACTUAL bible scriptures, alot of the bibles been changed.

The original hebrew torah gives the orders to kill witches. Everything in the old testament about condemning magick and witchcraft is still there in the original hebrew torah.
As for the new testament, there was no historical jesus, and the religious figure jesus is a hodge podge of various previous male saviour figures and pagan religious concepts. The condemnation of homosexuality and magick among otherthings was at least unique to the torah, as everything else were pretty much plagiarisms of previous books.

The thing is, you have never seen the original bible scriptures, so you would know what you're talking about as much as a bible bashing fundie.

Hmm, I just can't help thinking some of this is a bit of an excuse to have anime-like fantasies in reality.
Look at all the avatars of the people talking about this.
'Flashy attacks and speed' --

If you read many of my posts, especially from a little while ago now, you will see that I talk alot about enki etc. I know exactly what you're talking about. I used to be a part of the group which held that beleif, about Satan being enki etc.
But unfortunatley the are sadly misinformed about many facts, and do no acknowledge any Satanic philosophy (not really anyway) and are too dogmatic for my liking. I find alot of the people there are like robots and parrots to what it says on the website(s). This sort of thing is very contradictory to Satanic Philosophy.
Your mention of the COS interests me, because they don't actually beleive in Satan as a convetional being. If you read the Satanic Bible or some web content of the COS you'll get a better idea of their beleifs (if you haven't already).

But Tayesin, the problem with this annunaki stuff is that it is entirely based off the works of Zechariah Sitchin, proven to be a fraud and a liar. Scientists, archeaologists, historians and scholars (sitchin is an economist) who actually know how to read the languages sitchin claims to know, like sumerian cuniform, all discredit him. His writings are erroneous without a doubt, as are others like erich von daniken who write about similar things.
So I do not beleive in the 'annunaki' (that word I beleive, was erroneously matched to gods like enki etc) who came from the planet nibiru, or any of that stuff about Enki creating humanity. I do think that Satan could have been Enki though, seeing as Enki represented wisdom, science, medicine, intelligence, was the king of magicians, the lord of the watery abyss etc. But I beleive Satan to be a supernatural being and not an extraterrestrial giant.
I beleive in a dark or sinister presence within ourselves (the dark part of our psyche, our carnal or primitive selves) and that pretty much motivates human beings a great deal since we have the instinct to survive, we have lust etc. Think about how much these carnal things dominate our lives. I also beleive that a dark or sinister presence exists without as well, not just within our own psyches. Although I don't think that Satan is just an archetype. I beleive in him as a rea being as well but beause of the archetypal dark force he cannot be as simple as a spacially limited, physical being. The same for demons as well.

So if I am going to reach out to a spirit guide, its obviously in question whats their waiting for me, and its probably going to be very different to most people's guides here.

That sounds like the spirit guison.
But if I should go to them rather then letting someone else's guide prove itself what should I do, automatic writing or something? Can you please tell me what I should do if I am going to go to my own guides or spirits

[Can I suggest as much as you may feel aggrieved that other users may be making digs at you or your opinion that you might consider that you are only enabling them to reflect back to you your own angst.]

Can I suggest as much as you may feel aggrieved that other users may be making digs at you or your opinion that you might consider that you are only enabling them to reflect back to you your own angst.

Change all the references to me to the people who have replied to my point and you have my thread. If this is some sort of display of your empathy skills, I think you need to hone on them. I've remained calm and mildly amused while reading the replies to these threads, watching several love and lights have temper tantrums. Look at the way people have responded to this thread and you will see they really can't handle a different opinion. They'll write pages and pages about 'love', do you think they're responded 'lovingly' to my thread    No, the reason is because they are HUMAN BEINGS and this unconditional love they aspire to is unnatural. Human Beings have a variety of emotions, they aren't just cold, sterile beings who love everything no matter what, and no one should aspire to that.

[Circular logic. NO TELL: You don't hear. Don't SEE: You don't see. Blinded and deaf coyly you offer to be convinced of sight and sound. More importantly you ask the real question: "ANYONE CARE . . .?" The real answer is a resounding YES. Look at the responses you got. But you already knew that when you posted. You just wanted a little stroking . . . to move the ball to the court of your advantage I have noticed that you're quite good at creating thunder in the lightning of your passing. Lots of stuff happens around you. Wouldn't you like to REALLY get in the game? Here's a thought for your reflection: Open your eyes and take your fingers out of your ears. Come on in, the water's fine. Back at you. It's the thunder you create . . .]

Circular logic.

NO TELL: You don't hear.

Don't SEE: You don't see.

Blinded and deaf coyly you offer to be convinced of sight and sound.



More importantly you ask the real question: "ANYONE CARE . . .?"

The real answer is a resounding YES. Look at the responses you got.
But you already knew that when you posted.
You just wanted a little stroking . . . to move the ball to the court of your advantage

I have noticed that you're quite good at creating thunder in the lightning of your passing. Lots of stuff happens around you. Wouldn't you like to REALLY get in the game?

Here's a thought for your reflection:
Open your eyes and take your fingers out of your ears.
Come on in, the water's fine.

Back at you.

It's the thunder you create . . .

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I voice my unique opinion, and leave the herd to create the thunder for me.

At least they can rest assured by telling me (really themselves) that its just 'controversy for the sake of controversy' so they can eliminate the possibility that their quaint little belief system or lack there of has actually been disrupted by a different opinion voiced with the intention to actually express a genuine opinion.

Look at how cute you are aryanknight666... strutting around proudly showing off your tiny little horns. You're so cute I just wanna squeeze you till your head pops off.  

My four year old does sorta the same thing to get attention, but I'm going to inform him to wear his horns more proudly next time. It makes for a much better chuckle.


Nay

I think you're really cute too, and I really wouldn't want you hurting your cute little knuckles their punching walls.

Do you love your mother?

Prove it.

That's a nasty thought.

Actually, yes.

Once I was locked out of my house

Locked out of your house? I don't think I want spirit guides proving their existence to me

I find it interesting when "science" is brought into debates like this.

What exactly has science proved?
Well, a few hundred years ago science proved that the world was flat, and then some years later it proved that the earth was the center of the universe. It also proved that radio waves were transmitted by something called Ether, and more recently it proved that peanuts cause cancer.
Amazing proof there!

Science has proved the primitive Christian idea of the earth being center of the universe wrong, and also proved wrong the ignorant dark age belief of the world being flat. Actually, you're right. Science isn't so great. What has it proved? It's only proved enough things for you to actually be able to have a  computer that runs on electricity so you can run the Internet on it and type messages to people about how what science has proved has been useless.

"If one of you channeled an angel or a guide right now or whatever, there would be absolutely no scientific way to objectively prove that the guide really exists as an external being, at this moment in time."

If you consider the spirit telling something to me that the channeler could not possibly know as scientific proof, then perhaps you are correct. But to be correct in the area of terminology it would not be scientific proof but actually just logic, and if logic doesn't apply to anything about these spirits and their wonderful la la land then we get to the 'dragon in my garage' state of things and by that 'logic' I can say that there is a lava hat on my head and it exists, even though you cannot see it, touch it, hear it, smell it, feel it, taste it, and also even though you can run your hands through the area over the top of my hand and clearly see there is nothing solid there or anything giving off heat. It is just there and it just exists because I say it is, and you cannot say 'well you just made that up' because there is no concept of logic here and as such there is no difference to it actually being there and me making it up, it just exists.

I take back that everything can be proved, as well. I cannot prove for example, that the person writing this is the same person who wrote my other posts, I cannot prove that I am male, or that I am even a person and not a bot, I cannot prove that I am who I say I am or anything I say about myself and my identity. Which means that just because one of you says your guide stands there in front of you, there is no way for you to prove that that actually happens and there is no way for me to know if you are lying.

But, I can prove if someone actually has superpowers because they say they do. If they are standing in front of me, and I tell them to use whatever superpowers they claim to have, and after several trials and conditions they cannot do what they say they can do, then I have proved they do not have superpowers.
If someone says that, if you fill a container up half with water, put a floating candle in there and light it, then put the lid on, it will burn out in exactly 6 seconds every time with these conditions, then I can prove them wrong if I actually set up these conditions and after several trials and the time for the candle burning out is not the same every time under those conditions.

Hello AK,

Feeling like a bit of controversy for controversy's sake eh?

So, why should any spirit bother to prove themselves to anyone but the ones they are dealing directly with at the time?

Spirits do not come with trumpet fanfares and big budget lightshows to announce their existence to all. That's the stuff of religious mythology and James Randi followers.

And I'm not sure exactly how asking a guide about the colour of your shirt is going to be of benefit to me? The teachers of our spiritual evolution are not interested in parlour tricks.

Besides, proof, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

Kind regards,
James.

If proof is in the eye of the beholder then there would be no such thing as science as it is today. All things can be proved, and they can be proved to everyone, unless of course they do not exist.
It really takes no effort whatsoever (apparently for a spirit anyway) to determine the colour of my shirt and tell it to me, and if it can't 'help' then it can't 'hurt' can it?
I have also dealt with many 'spirits' before. Some of which, have proved their existance. If the teachers of 'our spiritual evolution' as you put it, are not interested in proving themselves, then doesn't that mean they've potentially lost hordes of people who would hop on the spiritual evolution band wagan    ?
The fact is, this can be directly proved, as science has shown. When you ask for proof from a spirit of its existance, but apparently you need to 'look harder' or have you eyes open, whats the point of that? then I will perceive things that would have already happened if I had not asked for proof, and accept them as proof.
Also, if you are *channeling* a spirit through your own body there is pretty much no way for it to prove if it is external unless it physically moves something with telekinisis. Unless you do something like determining say, the colour of someones shirt on the other end of long distance communications...
Think long and hard. Has your 'spirit guide' ever done anything that has really benefited you? Has it ever done anything other then acting like an LSD guru, like say, telling you the winning lottery numbers?

'Could we please keep our opinions our opinions?
And not tell others their view of their opinions. '

Please, don't start on the opinions. I simply asked a question, now you seem to have plunged into an cringeworthy 'opinions' discussion/argument.

spirit guides, angels etc are useless.
If one of you channeled an angel or a guide right now or whatever, there would be absolutely no way to prove that the guide really exists as an external being. That guide would not be able to tell me any information about myself, such as my middle name, or what color shirt I am wearing. There is absolutely nothing any of these entities can do to prove they actually externally exist. If asked to do one of these things, they were say that there is no need for them to do that for one reason or another.
I really don't see what use they are for. Anyone care to convince me otherwise?

Despite what many people would like to tell you, magick and withcraft is violently condemned in scripture. It says that a person deserves to die by practising withcraft. Magick and witchraft unfortunatley are totally uncompatible with your faith, which is why it isn't working.
So I suggest you either drop witchcraft, or if you really like that sort of thing and prefer it over our christian faith then pursue a different path.

The spells and rituals in the necronomican are still workeable,
and the stuff in it is based off mesopatomian mythology, but the mad arab did not exist.

What about germans, like anglo-saxons, saxons/picts, and the nordic/scandinavian peoples?

Let me get this straight ;
the book tacticus germanica says that the germanic peoples are descended from the 'manu aryans'. The word manu is the indo-european root word for 'man'. I'm assuming that the teutonic indo-european peoples are descended from the 'manu aryan' peoples, and the celtic and germanic/nordic/scandinavian peoples stem from the teutonic peoples, thus people descended celtic and germanic tribes are aryans. Is that correct so far?
And the indo-aryan peoples came to europe via their migrational patterns from persia/northern india to the eurasian steppes, or the uzbekistan/kazakhastan/siberian area, right?
And from what I understand the aryan peoples came to india from persia, and established all the religion and culture of india. They were a lighter skinned people and according to you are descended from a certain emperor, his name escapes me, and he is descended from a sun goddess. The emperor has a chinese sounding name, so was his empire on the asian land mass and did the aryan peoples go from there to persia, then to northern india etc?

[Prove it.]

Prove it.

Prove what? I said that if you ask about channeling Satan you will get a whole lot of white wash trash and christian dogma, which you will. Now you're saying that some people will speak about Satan from experience, you are asking me if I do, and I have said yes. Afterall, I am a theistic Satanist (meaning I beleive him to be a real being) and do you think a sorcerer who has dedicated his soul in blood and beleives him to be a very real being is going to refrain from contacting him and having contact with him?
How can I actually **prove** that I've had contact with him anyway, as the same can be said about you having contact with 'archangel micheal'. You cannot actually prove that you have had contact with this being.
As for giving advice about Satan, if someone wanted to actually channel Satan, its likely they'd be on the other side of the fence and they probably wouldn't end up actually talking to Satan anyway. Unless that persons heart is in the right place then my advice to them would be forget about it.
And I'm sure if you really wanted me to I could provide proof of my association with Satan and Demonic entities, it would just not be via these message boards.